Perkins: Military Suicides Due to DADT Repeal

Perkins: Military Suicides Due to DADT Repeal February 4, 2013

With the new policy allowing women to perform combat roles in the military, on top of the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, Tony Perkins is making the ridiculous argument that these things are to blame for the huge growth in military suicides over the last few years:

Perkins: The volume of these decisions coming out of this administration is unbelievable, unbelievable. The stress in our military, when you look how they have used the military for their social experimentation: driving Christianity out, putting homosexuality in, suicide rate going through the ceiling. I think it was last year if I recall the numbers there were 349 suicides in 2012 and I believe that’s more than were killed in combat, that’s the highest number since the Pentagon began tracking suicides back in 2001. And what are they doing? Adding additional stress by this social engineering. Unbelievable.

There were 349 military suicides in 2012, which is indeed the highest number. But there were 310 in 2009, before DADT was repealed. And the numbers have been trending up in a big way since 2006. Gee, do you think this might have to do with the fact that so many soldiers were having to do multiple tours of duty, often longer than a regular tour, be separated from their families for more than a year at a time, see their buddies get shot and blown up with IEDs, in Iraq and Afghanistan? Nah, it must be the gay people and women at fault. #logicfail

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  • naturalcynic

    Uh, Tony, your only word that is believable is unbelievable.

  • Glenn E Ross

    Let me get this straight, Perkins thinks that adult males that have met the requirements for inclusion in the military are so fragile that they commit suicide because they were forced to serve with women and homosexuals. He certainly has a low opinion of our military.

  • glodson

    But the biggest number happened after the repeal of DADT! Ignore that upward trend we’ve seen, and let’s ignore the other factors. This changed happened, so this one data point is enough to show that this increase is only due to more gay people openly being gay.

  • marcus

    I don’t believe that there is a word for the kind of reprehensible scum that Tony Perkins is. “Reprehensible scum” doesn’t even come close.

  • Michael Heath

    This is the same argument we’ll begin to hear once conservative Christians no longer deny the harm done by climate change.

    This primitive idea goes back to the Old Testament and even further. It’s the idea that God provides a veil of protection, or not, for a particular tribe, based on their fealty to that God’s aribitrary whims based on the dogma of the ruling and/or religious elites.

    These same modern-day Christians who believe this tripe don’t seem to ever take this idea one degree deeper and consider the moral implications of this idea. That if such a god existed and acted accordingly, that would make him demonstrably evil, e.g., killing children and other innocents in a flood for others failure to obey commands coming from an entity where there’s no evidence it either exists, has sovereignty over us, and this is what it demands of us.

    I’ve also read this idea is rooted in evolution, though the mostly hypothetical branch. That blaming bad results on our disobedience to a reigning god distanced the pain of judgments away from the behavior of fellow tribal members and instead projected it onto an inaccessible entity. That allowed discipline and punishment which minimized the victims of such taking it personally against other tribal members, including those doling out the punishment. It also added weight to preventative threats to behave a certain way or else future bad things would happen to all of us.

  • Glodson@2:

    That logic works with a lot of things.

    Just look at this year’s temperature data and ignore the upward trend from previous years. Instead, compare it to the average temperature during the Jurassic Period. See? Global warming is a hoax!

  • glodson

    @ 6

    We have shown that the repeal of DADT was bad and that Global Warming is a hoax in one commenting thread. Well done. Now we can take the rest of the day off.

    Or maybe we can compare other numbers with no real context, and just find one set that justifies our preconceived narrative, and then present that as evidence… I feel a 7 figure contract from the Heritage Foundation coming our way.

  • hunter

    Tony Perkins has a gift that seems to be endemic on the anti-gay right. In this case, no matter what happens, it’s because of the repeal of DADT. Next week, depending on the BSA’s board votes, it will be because the Boy Scouts changed their no gays policy. The week after that, it will be because the Illinois Senate passed the same-sex marriage bill.

    Coincidence equals causation.

  • freemage

    Glenn Ross: Also note that it’s apparently the heterosexuals that are apparently the hothouse orchids who can’t handle it. Man, I’d better start gay-ing up, real quick, before I succumb to depression or something.

  • jnorris

    At least he’s not blaming lesbian soldiers!

  • abb3w

    Ow. It’s not even post hoc ergo propter hoc.

  • And the numbers have been trending up in a big way since 2006. Gee, do you think this might have to do with the fact that…”

    …the Democrat party has controlled at least one side of the Legislative branch since that year? Take that, causality!


    freemage “Glenn Ross: Also note that it’s apparently the heterosexuals that are apparently the hothouse orchids who can’t handle it. Man, I’d better start gay-ing up, real quick, before I succumb to depression or something.”

    Ah, but the incidence of gay suicide is higher than that of Us Normal Americans®, higher even than hetero soldier (or “HeteSold”) suicide, which itself is the highest of all.

  • That is totally absurd. It totally gripes me when people as so illogical.

    The increase in military suicides obviously is because of record high temperatures last year. It is well known that people have shorter tempers during heat waves.

    And as everyone knows, increased ghey buttsecks is responsible for higher temperatures and ultimately leads to more and larger hurricanes and also causes children to have more cavities in their teeth.

  • JD

    Ed said:

    Gee, do you think this might have to do with…

    The military debunked the myth that suicide was linked to deployments in 2011, when it found more than half of suicides in the military were committed by someone who had never deployed.

    It seems you’re fighting what you believe to be ignorance…with your own ignorance. Well played.

    Link here.

  • slc1

    Re JD @ #14

    How about giving a link to a site other then your own. Link below claims that suicides are more likely amongst troops that have had multiple tours of duty.

  • whheydt

    Has anyone checked the numbers and trend lines on fatal automobile accidents involving military personnel?

    (As I recall, at the time of Gulf I, it was stated that the number of fatalities from auto wrecks among the troops in Saudi Arabia leading up to the liberation of Kuwait was well below what would have been expected had the troops been in the US…having something to do with the strict anti-alcohol laws in Saudi Arabia.)

  • uzza

    Has anyone looked for a link between suicides and being manipulated into being a party to, or perpetrating, war crimes?

  • dan4

    @14: “…driving Christianity out…”

    What is he talking about?