NOM Spokesperson Misses the Obvious

Interestingly, I’ve known a number of heterosexual people who have a sense of shame about _their_ sexuality, too.

Perhaps we should use this as the basis for outlawing opposite-sex marriage, too.

When I went to BYU (I know, I know), two of my more liberal professors pointed out that there are quite a few young Mormon couples who feel guilty about sex. They’re married, but they can’t get over feeling a sense of shame about it.

Of course, that shouldn’t be particularly surprising. When you grow up having the message of “sex is sinful” drilled into your head by parents and Church leaders, it’s going to be a little bit difficult to get over the idea that sex is somehow dirty or shameful even if you’re married.

In other words: Heterosexual sex is shameful. I know it, and deep within your heart you know it too.

thomasmorris writes:

When I went to BYU (I know, I know) . . .

Hey, at least BYU Professor Daniel Fairbanks has contributed to human knowledge with his insighful and accesible book titled, Relics of Eden: The Powerful Evidence of Evolution in Human DNA .

That alone may contribute more to humanity than many protestant “universities”; such as Oral Roberts’ ORU, Jerry Falwell’s misnamed Liberty U., and Patrick Henry College.

Re Michael Heath @ #6

Let’s not forget the likes of Regent “Un.”.

I think they think that if all of us will approve of them that they will feel better . . .

Well, that’s only logical. And perhaps it’s because you hadn’t approved of them while they were teenagers that they didn’t feel better earlier. This, of course, can be studied. We could look at cultures where homosexuals aren’t shamed by others and see if they nevertheless feel a sense of shame. We can also look at cultures where homosexuals are shamed in their early years, and see if acceptance by others made their sense of shame lessen.

Making yourself feel good about doing something that is deeply wrong for you is not in the end going to work.

I assume by “in the end” she means after death, because otherwise that makes no sense. “Making yourself feel good” actually does get rid of the sense of shame, which is what she was talking about to begin with. Shame = not feeling good about yourself. Not ashamed = feeling good about yourself.

I think they think that if all of us will approve of them that they will feel better… Making yourself feel good about doing something that is deeply wrong for you is not in the end going to work.

This cuts both ways. From our perspective this line of reasoning helps explain why so many Christians are so insistent that their religious beliefs be established in the public schools, in the government, and in our culture in general. Christianity needs to be legally officially the way to believe; it must be normalized. I think they think that if all of us will approve of them that they will feel better … and those nagging doubts which keep chipping at their faith will go away.

C’mon … deep in your heart, you KNOW your religion is bullshit, don’t you? Why else the desperate legal maneuvers to keep gay marriage illegal?

Trying to make yourself feel good about doing something that is deeply wrong for you is not in the end going to work.

Sastra nailed it.

this is projection, pure and simple.

The xian bigots used to hold sway decades ago, now that THEY are the ones being criticized, and rightly so, they feel they need to do anything to get the favor of the majority of Americans back.

sorry, not gonna happen.

either learn to deal with rejection, or change.

stop trying to destroy us all just for your petty sense of self worth.

I suspect there may indeed be variations (at least environmental, possibly even genetic) in the degrees to which someone feels “shame”. However, that merely means that if someone’s gay, they don’t bother hiding it from fear of social opprobrium.

Shame? No I got rid of that when I left the Catholic Church at 18.

Anger and rage at this sort of bigoted rubbish, absolutely.