Obama Can’t Win, Bowe Bergdahl Edition

Obama Can’t Win, Bowe Bergdahl Edition June 6, 2014

For five years we heard from conservatives that Obama was a horrible person because he hadn’t done anything to bring POW Bowe Bergdah home. Now they’re demanding he be impeached for bringing Bowe Bergdahl home. Gawker has some amusing tweet comparisons of the same people demanding action and freaking out about the action taken. My favorite:


Yes, that is the Charlie Daniels of The Devil Went Down to Georgia fame, who has always been a political ignoramus and a wingnut.


All they have is outrage and that’s all they care about. Coherent, rational thinking matters not a bit.

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  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Catch 22.

    I hope it turns out that Obama has planted some microchips or something inside those five released taliban scum and blows them and their mates away soon after they get back.

    What would these loons have left to say then?

  • cgm3

    Response to StevoR: Probably that they were just the “proof-of-concept” for the Kenyan Usurper to chip everybody in America (as part of Obamacare, natch), and use drones to assassinate his enemies. Or maybe they’d come up with something that’s silly…

  • “I hope it turns out that Obama has planted some microchips or something inside those five released taliban scum and blows them and their mates away soon after they get back.

    What would these loons have left to say then?”

    Probably something like “Obama is dishonorable and a traitor to American values of universal human rights for using those people like that!”

  • karmacat

    An editorial in the Baltimore Sun pointed out that people are leaping too fast to judge Berdahl as a deserter and a traitor. He was seen by villagers one time just wandering around in a daze. The editor pointed out that he may have PTSD which may have caused him to wander away or run away from his unit. the editor pointed out that war causes a lot of damage physically and mentally to these soldiers. It had a good point that we need to honor all veterans

  • vmanis1

    It’s easy, everything translates to `Obama’s evil, because he’s a n****r’.

    In the alternate universe where no deal was reached, John McCain would be saying today `I can’t understand the idiocy of an administration that won’t move heaven and earth to retrieve POWs. Does the President not realize the effect on armed forces recruitment if it becomes known that we give up on soldiers captured by the enemy?’

    These guys misquote Ralph Waldo Emerson, who did not say `Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds’, but `A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.’. Their INconsistency is foolish in the way that the Milky Way Galaxy is kinda large.

  • John Pieret

    As the font of all evil, the Nigg … um … Commander in Chief is obviously wrong in everything he does and doesn’t do.


  • zippythepinhead

    It’s clear to me, at least, that Obama had the right as CinC to make a prisoner exchange. The detainees were under DOD control, so they could just about do whatever they wanted to do with them. Ironically, if Obama had his way and closed the Guantanamo prison when he wanted and these guys were tried and convicted in a court of law as they should have been years ago, this exchange would have been almost impossible today.

    Still after all this time, Obama is one impeachable offense away from impeachment.

  • Al Dente

    Now we see the effect of Twitter’s 240 character limit. Charlie Daniels didn’t mention Benghazi.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    karmacat #4: … It had a good point that we need to honor all veterans

    Talk about missing the point … OBAMA IS BLACK. Therefore any news about him mus be bad.

  • gwangung

    If I’m not mistaken, we would have HAD to turn these people loose anyway in about a year’s time, since we are winding down operations in Afghanistan. And since they are Taliban, they are NOT terrorists, but are rebel factions against the current government there.

  • zenlike

    I see StevoR is still a bloodthirsty murderous keyboard warrior. Why is he so against people he clearly shares a similar mindset with?

  • Zenlike:

    I thought the same thing. He still endorses murdering people as long as he approves of the victims. Such humanist values.

  • I still remember Charlie Daniels’ insane all caps rant some years back. That’s when I found out he’s nuts.

  • moarscienceplz

    Well it’s obvious that what Obama did was the wrong thing. He is *whisper* black, you know.


  • comfychair

    INPEACH! cause everything he did he shouldn’t have and everything he didn’t do he should’ve, no matter what those things or not-things might be! (also: just look at him…)

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @2. cgm3 & 3. somnus : yeah, sadly I think you’re right there.

    @12. zenlike & 13. Tony! The Fucking Queer Shoop! : Wrong as per usual.

    Its not murder to kill the enemy forces during wartime. What part of that exactly do you two fail to comprehend?

    Oh and the Taliban are murdering scum -not victims – who think schoolgirls deserve bullets in the head and death for seeking an education along with their total opposition to religious tolerance, freedom, democracy and all those Western secular humanist values that I actually believe in – but am suspecting that you two really don’t! Why do you fools have such seemingly great love and sympathy for the Taliban and other Islamists exactly?

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @11. gwangung : Care to tell that to Malala Yousufzai and their other victims?

    Their tactics and their cowardly way of waging war and terrorising the local population makes the taliban terrorists.

  • comfychair

    Yes StevoR, indefinite detention without charge is one of the founding principles of Western Democracy. :rolleyes:

    And this ‘war’ you’re so gung-ho for, happens to be a war against an idea. And I don’t have to think that idea is a good one to know that you can’t defeat an idea with a war.

  • dingojack

    Stevo – if it’s war then the Geneva Conventions apply.

    If you consider the Taliban as ‘cowardly’, I suppose firing a missile from a drone at 30,000 feet and killing a wedding party is oh so ‘manly’. Sorry, who were the terrorists again?


  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @19. comfychair : I’m not “gung ho” for the war, I wish it wasn’t going on but unfortunately it is and I just recognise the reality of that.

    Also the war isn’t against an idea, it isn’t even – despite the poorly chosen name often used – a war against an emotion. Its a war against the Jihadists groups that attacked the West on 9-11 2001 and on those who sheltered and enabled them. This Jihad that they started against us is something we have to fight to protect ourselves. Since we don’t have any real choice whether or not to fight it, I think we do need to make sure we win it and win it ASAP and as clearly as possible.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @20. dingojack : I think we should apply geneva conventions but the taliban certainly don’t do so and their equivalent of “troops” aren’t actually covered by them so it doesn’t really apply because the terrorists aren’t fighting like “legitimate soldiers. They violate the rules of war and attack civilians constantly and do far worse than the Western side ever does.

    If you consider the Taliban as ‘cowardly’, ..

    Very definitely they are. It is cowardly to hide behind civilians and not fight in uniform attacking military targets openly. It is cowardly to use homicide-suicide bombing tactics and it is *really* cowardly to go around shooting schoolgirls in the head and “justifying” that supposedly in the name of Allah and his pedophile “prophet” following unquestioningly a hateful dark age ideology as if it were still relevant in today’s space and internet age.

    “I suppose firing a missile from a drone at 30,000 feet and killing a wedding party is oh so ‘manly’.

    No. So what?

    Also it doesn’t actually follow and isn’t actually a fair point or analogy. From what I understand that was a rare mistake and the wedding was not an intended target.

    UAV pilots still have a very tough job and face emotional costs from it. They may not risk their lives in quite the same way as other soldiers, sailors and airmen but I think they still deserve a lot of respect not cheap shots. Is it a job that could or would be willing to do?

    Fact is, the Western side does care about human lives and tries to minimise casualties whereas the enemy taliban terrorists show no respect for human life or human rights and tries to maximise the death toll.

    Think about what the sides are fighting for – what each party wants or doesn’t want. The Taliban want to impose a brutal theocracy and their fellow Jihadists (Al Quaida, Boko Haram, Hamas, etc..) want a global Khaliphate with an oppressive Islamist rule over the whole planet. The West is fighting so that the people of Afghanistan (and other places) can choose for themselves, be freer and happier and better off – and, oh yeah, their schoolgirls can actually be just that.

    Its pretty simple – the Taliban and other Islamists are the bad guys here without a doubt and should not be given any support or sympathy whatsoever. To claim as zenlike &Tony! did earlier that they are victims is just offensively absurd. They are the bloodthirsty bullies and terrorists and the only thing they are “victims” of is their own evil ideology and brain-washing. To side with them is to lose all ethical credibility.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    That’s meant to read : Is it a job that you could or would be willing to do?

    Also what’s the alternative and what’s more “bloodthirsty” here?

    Letting five of the worst Jihadists go back to commit many more attacks and kill hundreds maybe thousands or even more innocent people as these Jihadists wish to do?

    Or take out those 5 murdering evil scumbags and stop them for hurting more people and claiming more lives instead?

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the ones being truly murderous and bloodthirsty here are the likes of Tony and zenlike – not me! The pro-islamists side here may think be deluded enough to think they have the moral high ground but in truth they are speaking from the moral septic tank.

    I think they need to take a good hard look at who and what they are arguing for.

    Hint dudes : If you are standing with the islamists that automatically puts you in the wrong.

  • comfychair

    If you read our opinions and your brain interprets the words as ‘standing on the side of the Islamists’ then there’s no point in discussing it any further. You need some remedial reading comprehension help, not reasoned discourse.

  • comfychair

    If you think abortion should be legal then you support murdering all babies! The human race will go extinct if you get your way!

    If you’re opposed to nuclear weapons then you’re fighting on Imperial Japan’s side and want to drop more bombs on Pearl Harbor!

    If you think ‘climate change’ is real then you support removing ALL carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which would wipe out all the plant life on the planet! YOU MONSTER!

    Got any more like that, StevoR?

  • “Letting five of the worst Jihadists go back to commit many more attacks and kill hundreds maybe thousands or even more innocent people as these Jihadists wish to do?”

    We have the word of who, exactly, that the “Gitmo 5” are the worst of the worst? No, seriously, I’m asking htat question.

    Five jihadists who allowed themselves to be caught ALIVE and we’re supposed to take the assessments of careerist lying fuck bags like Lindsey Graham and Gramps McCain at face value?

    I’m not sure that those guys were committed to destroying the U.S. prior to their being scooped up and sent to Gitmo. Only a determinedly naïve person would think that they are now fans of the U.S. and its allies.

    While the U.S. is not the only party to blame for the current unrest in the middle east and southwest Asia, we have enough blood on our hands for everybody.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ democommie : If the Taliban want them freed they’re hardly likely to be good guys now are they?

    @25. comfychair : “Got any more like that, StevoR?”

    Um, Dude those were all your statements and not things I’d say so nope. You can have the straw back, man, I don’t have chickens or guinea pigs anymore and my native plants need a different sorta mulch.

  • busterggi

    To repeat what I say over at Comrade Physioprooff’s a few days ago,

    I’ve station surfed enough to hear the right-wing crazies on this and have some questions I haven’t heard asked yet.

    1. If all these other guys in his ‘band of brothers’ knew he was having psychological problems, why didn’t they intervene to help him?

    2. If all these other guys in his ‘band of brothers’ included the chaplain, that holy man of god & spiritual bastion that tax dollars pay for, why didn’t he intervene to help him?

    3. If all these other guys in his ‘band of brothers’ included their superior officers, why didn’t they intervene by ordering him to get therapy or send him back for treatment or at least change his duty assignment so he couldn’t just walk away?

    I think court martials might be what are needed in this situation but not for Bergdahl. Dereliction of duty for his detractors seems appropriate according to their own testimony.

  • jws1

    Stevo thinks just like a terrorist – violence he likes is always justified, regardless if there’s “collateral damage.”

  • @ 7,

    Modusoperandi, I am now worshiping you as a god.

    No, I’m not going to send you 10 percent of my income.

  • colnago80

    Re jws1 @ #29

    You think like the useful idiots who make excuses and apologize for the Islamic fascists who carry out homicide bombing attacks on pizza parlors and murder school girls who want an education. Just for your information, StevoR and people like Sam Harris, who are routinely called Islamophobes by assholes like you, are far easier on Islam then are the former Muslims who blog on this network (e.g. Taslima and Maryam).

  • comfychair


    I’m almost certain that will be dismissed by the super-Patriots as, ‘well, that’s exactly what a pro-Jihadi WOULD say, isn’t it??!’ And then you can go back to Eagle Forum or Jihad Watch or whatever other nutjob cesspit has been feeding you such a steady diet of fearmongering, to wipe away any glimmers of doubt that you might have got this whole thing wrong…

  • comfychair


    So anyone who doesn’t see this as a stark black-and-white good-vs-evil existential threat to civilization is a ‘jihad apologist’. Right.

  • Ichthyic

    It’s good to see these periodic reminders of StevoR’s real personality.

    Never forget.

    This, is who he is, and has been, for the several years I have seen him post, both here and at Pharyngula.

    don’t let him kid you.

  • Ichthyic

    authoritarian personalities are the same, no matter where you go.

    just the circumstances are different.

    it’s why the FBI and CIA have ALWAYS ranked domestic terrorism as far higher risk than foreign initiated terrorism.

    In a culture where it would actually be acceptable to murder the “other”, RWAs like SLC and StevoR would happily be participating, and busy rationalizing why it’s OK to the rest of the world.

  • krubozumo

    Hypocrits, liars and fools. what a mix! The crazy cocktail that is right wing merica. The first little sip intoxicates. A second sip is full addicition. Fast acting stuff. Potent, and moreover, legal.

    Calling the president a traitor is protetected so you who call it so are not treated as traitors.

    Yet you are.

    This trivial exchange is just another example of the fact that conservatives, aka RWNJs have no scruples whatsoever . They will lie about anything if it serves their purposes.

    I don’t know if it is better or worse to watch the disintigration from afar. Perhaps like inter planetary travel,

    it is a one way trip. Well, so is everything else.