Fischer: Teach Sodom and Gomorrah as Gay History

How about teaching about wise old Solomon and all his wives and concubines as the history of traditional chattel marriage?

Or teaching Geology and starting with The Flood. Oh, wait…

Somebody who has obviously no education of any repute does not get a say in the education of others…simples!

With such an ignorant and fatuous opening comment, no more really needs to be said about the matter, laughing and pointing at a self made imbecile on the other hand is mandatory.

Arguing against Fisher’s use of Sodom and G story because it is a myth is the wrong way to argue with men like Fisher. Many of his followers don’t believe it to be a myth. Better, IMHO to point out that the story was not about gay relationships at all, it was about promiscuity and decadence. Indeed, one could argue that since monogamous gay marriage is the opposite of the decadence and promiscuity and “sex with anything that moves” portrayed in this story, the lesson of that story should be to promote gay marriage and not condemn it. Indeed, the entire condemnation of man on man sex in the bible is arguably a condemnation of promiscuity and can easily be argued as not an argument against monogamous gay relationships. And since religionists use context and analysis to allow the eating of shellfish today, and not executing recalcitrant children, why must we avoid context and analysis when we interpret proscriptions on gay relationships?

And if that argument fails to sway anyone, point out that Lot dealt with the decadent hordes that wanted to have sex with those “strangers” that the Bible says were angels, Lot instead offered the crowd his virgin daughters for sex. Something that is quite despicable by moral standards nearly everywhere except in Fisher’s story.

Offering your children to hordes at the door for sex kind of puts a damper on using ANY of the Sodom and Gomorrah stories as tales to teach modern morality, dontchathink?

To me, keeping the arguments against using Bible stories for modern morality by staying in the believers frame of reference will do more to further logic and sanity then pointing out the mythical basis of the stories. Just my 2 cents.

Hey Bryan, ever read that book you claim to love so much?

Ezekiel 16:49:

“Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

Dingo

Ah, but Atlantis DOES exist! She’s on display at the Kennedy Space Centre Visitor Complex.

Got bugger-all to do with ancient European history, but she exists.

All good points here. Another problem has to do with those angels. Considering how important clothing was for gender identity, how do we know they were male? Another problem is with the supernatural angle. Supernatural beings manifesting on the physical plane to put Lot in a bind seems so unfair to every one in town including the angles. If I were one of those angles and were hearing the mod screaming for me I would vow never to volunteer for any Earth assignments again.

“And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me”.

Dingo

The lesson from Sodom and Gomorrah is “Rape is bad”. That’s what the example the Bible gives of S&G’s sin is, attempted Gang Rape.

Lot attempted to offer his daughters up instead (because he’s an Excellent Father!), but that would have been just as evil if the mob had accepted it.

Some school districts in California are beginning to offer and even require ethnic studies for graduation in an effort to bring about better racial understanding in the state.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/12/san-francisco-ethnic-studies_n_6312008.html?utm_hp_ref=san-francisco&ir=San%20Francisco

I can’t wait to see the xtians and other bigots freak out about that.

@ #21:

Of course, the cherry-picked bits the fundies choose to support their idiocy are beyond question, but the average doubting person with even a modicum of critical thinking who questions the bibble’s multitude of quite problematic bits is obviously in the advance guard of the war on xinanity.

So Bryan Fischer, in response to hearing that California requires students to learn how sex & gender minorities have contributed to the history of the USA, proclaims that he approves only so long as things begin with two cities that do not exist and, if they did exist, ceased to exist many centuries before the USA did?

Riiiiiiiight.

Interesting who Jews, Christians, and Muslims regard as a “righteous” man. I hear that his daughters got him drunk and raped him in order to get pregnant. Makes me understand better why he pimped them to the townsfolk to keep the townsmen from gang raping some ‘angels’. Gen. 19:30-36. The Bible is such a great source for finding out who is and who isn’t ‘righteous’.