The Irony of Evangelical Idolatry in the White House

The Irony of Evangelical Idolatry in the White House August 30, 2018

For nearly 40 years, Evangelicals preached dire sermons against a godless, sin-soaked culture focused on wealth, immorality, celebrity, sexual promiscuity and worldly power. On Aug. 27, they celebrated it.

Presidential dinner with Evangelical leaders and a golden calf, Aug. 27, 2018. (artistic interpretation)

The White House guest list was a who’s who of Conservative Christians: Paula White, Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., Robert Jeffress, Ralph Reed, Tony Perkins, Lester Warner, Eric Metaxas, James Dobson and others.

It’s easy to see how former Evangelicals become disenchanted with the church of their childhood.

Trump is literally the living personification of everything Evangelicals have opposed for 40 years. But he has given them everything they want politically.

In exchange, they gave him their fealty and a Bible he has never read, with the signatures of more than 100 Evangelicals and the inscription:

“First Lady and President, you are in our prayers always. Thank you for your courageous and bold stand for religious liberty, and for your timeless service to all Americans. We appreciate the price that you have paid to walk in the high calling. History will record the greatness that you have brought for generations.”

I don’t think greatness is what history will record.

These Christian leaders long ago sold their souls for celebrity and ignored the teaching of Christ, so it’s no surprise they support an immoral hedonist who treats the 10 Commands as a “to do” list.

All of these Evangelical leaders are on the wrong side of history because they are on the wrong side of Jesus. Unfortunately, this isn’t anything new. Throughout history, Christian leaders have supported evil to the detriment of the weakest in society. They distort scripture and simply ignore the parts that contradict their misguided political views, rather than align their political views with the message of Jesus. Listen to many Evangelicals preach, and they mention Jesus briefly before they quote other sections of the Bible extensively to justify anything they choose. They are literally the people Jesus warns us about in scripture.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.” ~ Jesus

Trump polices destroy lives, his racist rhetoric emboldens hate groups and his constant stream of lies undercut the moral fabric of society. His policies target widows, orphans and aliens, literally the same people scripture repeatedly says we as Christians are supposed to help. From Exodus to the words of Jesus, we are to help the homeless, the poor, the helpless. Christians can only miss this point of God’s message intentionally, perhaps because their politics mean more to them than the actual message of God.

Nothing Trump says reflects the words of Jesus: “Love God, love others.” “Forgive others.” “Give to the poor.” “Help everyone.” “Turn the other cheek.” The core messages of Jesus are the exact opposite of the words and actions of Trump. If Evangelical leaders can’t see that, they are as morally corrupt as he is.


For part two of this post, visit … The Pharisees in the White House aren’t Christians


About Jim Meisner Jr.
Jim Meisner Jr. was baptized a Christian in 2003 and earned a Masters of Divinity degree from Samuel DeWitt Proctor School of Theology, Virginia Union University, in May 2009. He served as a pastor from 2007 to April 2010. You can read more about the author here.

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  • pen44

    These christians worship money and political power, definitely NOT Jesus!! Jesus Himself proclaimed that you cannot worship God and money…you will love one and hate the other. Since these people refuse to follow Jesus, I would guess that they must hate Jesus and love trump/money/power. I saw this very clearly when Reagan brought the TV preacher into the GOP in 1980. It’s been downhill since, sad to say.

  • Timothy Weston

    When the cross and the flag occupy the same space, the flag wins.

  • William Turner

    I am so tired of this. So the Christians who invaded “the Americas,” uninvited and unwelcome, and proceeded to rape, pillage, enslave, and murder millions of Natives and Africans had the words of god on their lips. To get all self righteous at Dolt 45 and “evangelicals,” you have to ignore zealously 500 years of violence and oppression by Christians. I don’t see how you can.

  • Bruce Greenwood

    As a Canadian, I know longer identify as an Evangelical, I am Pentecostal. You may consider that as nitpicking but to believe that the end justifies the means as the Evangelicals seem to be doing it is sin. Where is the criticism of Trumps caging babies, or his continuous lying? Lies In his first thousand days is up to 4000! I am shaking my head at this but I think a porn star has more credibility than the president of the United States! I would trust her word over his! I am so sorry for American Evangelicals and the rest of the nation. As the Bible illustrates, sometimes the worst thing that can happen is that God let’s you have what you want. I think it may have reached the point that you either believe in Trump or you believe in Jesus. I am praying for Trump that he would be teachable and that he would be humble. I think we need a miracle.

  • Sarah Flood

    Or you can address both. The difference is that one of these things is happening NOW, and we have a chance to stop it. The other happened in the past, and while we must address it, we can’t do anything about stopping it. One may be worse than the other, but that does not mean we cannot care about, and speak out against, both. Whataboutism is the silencer of effective action.

  • Sarah Flood

    I’m angry, so angry, about the open, wholesale sellout of the Evangelical movement. It’s utterly appalling. Not that there haven’t been hints and rumblings of this hypocrisy for years, but at least they kept up a pretense. This isn’t even a pretense anymore; they’ve completely sold their souls. I hope they wake up one day appalled and ashamed by what they’ve done, but I doubt they have that much conscience left.

  • Jim

    Actually, respectfully, I disagree. It is not that which flies highest that wins, but that which is humble and low. These are the one’s God draws near to. Political dominion is an illusion. Those on the pinnacle fall far and painfully.

  • Maya Bohnhoff

    Our Cyrus? King Cyrus wasn’t a Jew, but he was a man of faith—a Zoroastrian. According to the Old Testament, God spoke to the Jews through him, but there is no record of him being immoral or even amoral. The Old Testament records God referring to Cyrus as “My Anointed”, which of course, is the meaning of the title Christ. A fascinating fact never covered in any of the sermons I heard as a child.

    The two faiths came into confluence again, actually, around the birth of Christ. The Magi who followed the “star” to the holy family were Zoroastrians following prophecies left by Zoroaster in their holy books about their own Prophet’s return.

    Research is addictive.

  • AntithiChrist

    Actually “Evangelical” has become a generic term here. Not sure how that plays out in Canada.

    Much like the brand names Xerox, Coke, and Jacuzzi describe copy machines, soda pop, and hot tubs, “evangelical” basically means any socially conservative churchy type. A “social conservative,” btw, is now a cultural euphemism here, meaning “fetus-worshipping, anti-gay, anti-woman religious nut.”

    Look at the twitter accounts of just about any aspiring or “comfortable” religious US pastor of any sect or flavor. They pretty much all follow on Twitter the big sellout names listed on that White House dinner guest list. They’re pretty much all taking their social cues from the likes of these guys, no matter their otherwise non-offensive manner or sermons.

    Your church support is likely being sold out to these guys leading your church.

    You may have inadvertently fallen in with a bad crowd.

    Something to discuss at your next bible study group.

  • Zack

    “All of these Evangelical leaders are on the wrong side of history because they are on the wrong side of Jesus. Unfortunately, this isn’t anything new.”

    When statements like this are made, the article loses its credibility. If it was reworded it could of been palatable for me to read on.

  • Thank you for speaking truth to idiocy. The “evangelicals” have lost the power of Moral Rectitude, by lining up to get a hand-out of money from the feudal lords who prey upon our society.

  • Sarah Flood

    So I mean, we could just do nothing I guess. Throw up our hands, say “oh well, nothing we can do”, shrug, move on, pretend it never happened…

    …which is obviously not what you want. You are clearly very angry at Christianity, probably with reason. All I can say is we–you, me, churches, community organizations, humanity–can do is do our best to fix what we can, make amends where we can, and move forward doing better as we can. What are you doing toward this end?

  • Alonzo

    I guess when Christians come to the White House and share the gospel with all the staff during their gatherings, Satan wins. Yours is twisted logic.

  • wakwak36

    I’m an atheist and don’t believe that Jesus ever lived, but I’m more Christian that these Evangelical hypocrites.

  • Sarah Flood

    One can be angry without it eating them alive. I’m not lonely or depressed. Just angry at hypocrisy and injustice.

  • Jim Meisner Jr.

    Let me know when any Muslims or Jews are invited to “come to the White House and share” with the staff there.

  • GreenHearted

    Perhaps that’s true, but they love the publicity they get on their way down.

  • Alonzo

    Are you perfect? Have you read what Paul said in Romans about those who condemn others also condemn themselves, because they do the same things? Have you looked at yourself. Before criticizing others, perhaps you might wish to evaluate your own life and take Paul’s words to heart.

  • Sarah Flood

    I’ll leave you to ponder your own advice.

  • Timothy Weston

    I do not share your optimism: If you want an example of the flag and the cross in recent history, look at white supremacy groups. They use Christian scripture for their justification. Also, look at the attempts to impose restrictions on institutions because it does not agree with some zealous Christian’s world view. That is religious bullying.

  • Scifry

    The second phrase of the last sentence of Dobson’s quote caught my eye in a non-ironic context. “…, I think for the invitees and for the President.”

  • FreethinkingWorldGuy

    So your message is, if you observe others behaving badly, don’t criticize them or their behavior, because no one’s perfect?

    Using your logic, a dictator hellbent on crafting a “supreme race” and willing to engage in genocide to accomplish that could ascend to power, and could accelerate that process given no scrutiny or open criticism. That would be ok with you?

    As you might already guess, no, I’m not so much alluding to Trump at this second, as I am Hitler. (…and BTW, The Nazis’ righteousness was Christianity-fueled).

  • Alonzo

    Wrong, wrong, and wrong. You begin with faulty premises, making your conclusion false. And if you cannot identify your faulty premises, then you need to do your homework. BTW, you flunked history.

  • FreethinkingWorldGuy

    You embarrass yourself by professing to know how people you don’t even know scored academically. Do you deny that you tried to discredit @sarahflood:disqus by citing bible bits?

    In any case, rather than attack either her or me, why not weigh in on why you disagree with what she said in her post, such as what she described as “wholesale sellout of the Evangelical movement”? Or maybe why you disagree with what was written in the article at hand?

    If you actually do have any good points related to the article at hand, then you would get far more mileage expressing those than attempting to assassinate other posters’ characters.

  • Kyllein MacKellerann “

    While hypocrisy is considered a sin, the Evangelicals seem to be tied to it; by lionizing Trump and making his corruption seem Godly and upright. Possibly this is caused by Trump’s “taking their side” in matters political—while not realizing that Trump does nothing that does not benefit himself. They’ve been sidelined for so long that the appearance of support by the President has them starry-eyed and ignoring the facts of the case. They’ll fall with him or wind up being used by him for something that benefits only himself.
    We can hope they will learn from this, but they probably won’t.

  • Alonzo

    Logical fallacy of diversion. I knew you would eventually engage in personal attack. Those whose brain tank is empty of logic and reason ultimately engage in logical fallacies, among which are redirection and personal attack. Now go find a book to read, and stop replying. I am blocking you anyway for your constant diversions.

  • Alonzo

    One learns from reflection and not from deflection as you continue to engage.

  • rubellapox2

    You’re exactly who he’s describing in the op/article..

  • FreethinkingWorldGuy

    So, “diversion” is trying to redirect discussion away from petty insults and towards issues addressed in the article at hand? You’re not fooling anyone on this thread.

    Trolls make a living out of projection, diversion and attack on others–which is EXACTLY what YOU do.

    How did I attack you? I’ll admit, it was very tempting to stoop down to your level. But instead, I reached out to you, giving you a chance to engage in productive conversation.


    The fact that you didn’t engage in honest discourse related to ANY SUBSTANCE that the article contained–even when directly and openly invited to do so–reveals your modus operandi.

    Sure, go ahead and block away. That won’t stop me from calling you out when you engage in troll activity.

  • noel

    I was watching Obama speak at McCain’s funeral and thought in another life he would have been a great preacher not a fire and brimstone of type you hear from Evangelical preachers but someone who would make you want a relationship with God out of love.. It seems from books like Four Views of Hell and What About Those Who Have Never Heard they cant make up their mind the destiny of folks when they die. What happen to those slaves who died on the boats bringing them as slaves to America. Heaven or Hell. One of Trump’s Evangelical supporters said Jews and Mormons are going to hell. Why would God reject Mormons simply because they had some theological differences. There are enough of those among evangelicals with their Reformed and Arminian branches. The VP Pence says evolution is just a theory and yet his Christian colleagues as scientists over at accept evolution.They want abortion and marriage equality laws changed. They care more for the foetus in a woman than the real life children being killed right now in Yemen.

  • noel

    Trumps own words “I do not see why I need to repent when I have done nothing wrong. I suppose when I have my little wine and crackers that is a kind of repentance

  • tbone porkchop

    dont argue with these idiots
    their brains are fried

  • Timothy Weston

    A state dinner with evangelicals as guests is not a gospel presentation: It is rubbing elbows and giving approval to what the administration is doing.

  • Maddieb

    What eats me alive is Christians who support Trump when he clearly has a character the antithesis of Christian values and societal norms. The same people who thought Bill Clinton was almost Satan and yet Trump is as bad or worse. What eats me up is all the people that may reject Jesus because of the hypocrisy of evangelicals supporting Trump. Its hard to stomach the how evangelicals have twisted truth and supported a man who only cares himself. It’s idolatry of a man who only needs Jesus and to not be a president as he isn’t fit, because he doesn’t the skills, the moral character, and the willingness to serve the people instead of having them serve him as autocrat. He doesn’t know better, but bible believing Christians should.

  • What a strange or rather hypocritical statement for a non believer to make.

  • You conflating your political ideology with Christianity.

  • Alonzo

    Your bitter finger pointing is eating you alive.

  • divadarya

    I stopped being “eaten alive” when I walked away from these hypocrites who think that “God has blessed those with wealth” So, in that case, God loves Lady Gaga more than a seventh grade special needs teacher. Such utter hogwash.

  • Alonzo

    Sounds like your negative thoughts and name-calling still eats you up, and you do not appear to realize it. How sad. Do you even pay attention to what you write? Apparently not.

  • jwludgate

    You are doin the very thing you are ripping everyone else for. You have not contributed one single thing to the debate about whether evangelicals have sold out. If you don’t think so, why not? Let’s hear something concrete from you instead of all the insults.

  • David Cohen

    The Pharisees stood for religious legalism, the kind which modern day religious conservatives demonstrate when they cherry pick Bible verses to support their lust for political power, their hypocrisy with regards to the leaders they support, and their disregard for those in need.

    Hope that makes it clear to you.

  • David Cohen

    Hypocritical, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  • Sorry you have it completely wrong as you would need to know the shambolic state of Judaism at the time of Christ
    and where the Pharisees fitted in to understand.

    They were called the sons of hell by Christ obviously a clue that there was a lot more to the picture hardly anything to do with legalism, conservatism or anything else along these lines.

    So trying to make some spurious connection to modern day religious conservatism isn’t smart neither is repeating the same falsehood over and over in the hope it’ll stick with the ignorant.

  • David Cohen

    Because you say so, right?

    Sorry its all so unclear to you, but that is what happens when you cede your religious education to politicians.

  • P J Evans

    He called one book “Two Corinthians”. Does that sound like he’s familiar with it?
    (For that matter, way too many “evangelical Christians” have demonstrated that they’re unfamiliar with Matthew, Mark, and Luke.)

    FYI, as your’e woefully ignorant: entering the country without documentation is a CIVIL MISDEMEANOR. It calls for a fine the first time. At most. IT IS NOT A FELONY.

  • P J Evans

    Demonstrating the truth of your own statement by your own comment.

  • P J Evans

    Atheists and Satanists are far better Christians than Trump and his followers.

  • P J Evans

    They ARE on the wrong side of Jesus. They preach for everything he was AGAINST.

  • P J Evans

    Zoroastrians still exist. There’s a Zoroastrian cultural center on the bus route I take to see my assorted doctors.

  • P J Evans

    “Whatabout” is a trolling tactic. Derailing the thread is so very much trolling.

  • P J Evans

    Reading comprehension is important. You might want to work on yours.

  • P J Evans

    When they occupy the same space, NO ONE wins.

  • Denise

    Did I say it was a felony? I stated ILLEGAL aliens. There is a way for them to enter legally as millions have done.
    We did not elect a minister or pope as president. We did elect a man who has done more for Christianity and Christians around the world and in this country than most past presidents.

  • Denise

    so it’s not a good thing to have a dinner with Evangelicals, be around them, listen to then speak, perhaps learn something one never knew before?
    I guess all children of Evangelical parents should be removed from public schools, Christians should only work for Christian employers, go to Christian medical people, etc, etc???

  • David Cohen

    Yes, yes, we know that the standard conservative response is to assume that all facts which make you uncomfortable are fake news. Adults, by contrast, understand this this is not the case. Feel free to join us sometime.

  • Denise

    You are so wrong in so many ways, A person who is a true. Christian believes that the Bible is the word of God. As such, we believe that there is only one way to heaven -‘ Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.’ Mormons and Jews will go to heaven if they trust in Jesus.
    (You do realize that African rulers and kings sold their own people as slaves)? The Bible says that we have nature – the heavens and earth observed – to bring us to knowledge of God.
    We live in America . We care for the children of our own country first then others around the world.

  • noel

    You put your faith in book that in its early history is shown to be a myth. There are false accounts and contradictions. Because some Africans sold their people as slaves does not excuse slavery. They picked your cotton they were hung and abused. People who went to church in the Sunday morning went to watch a lynching in the afternoon. See At the Hands of Persons Unknown: The Lynching of Black America. (Phillip Dray). Dietrich Bonhoeffer Lutheran pastor from Germany in the 1930s went to America for further study. He saw how you treated black people. The poorest states in the US are red states while the wealthiest with the exception of Alaska are blue. What are you GOP state governments doing for the least of their brethren.? The world is more than 7000 years old, your dna is 80% the same as an ape. Get over it. Science has debunked your snake handling Christians.

  • noel

    The apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians said regarding marriage ‘The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.” Ch 7:4 Trump’s body if he was a Christian belonged to Melania not Stormy Daniels.

  • That’s exactly what you’ve done.

  • Not unclear at all but knowledge is crucial not social hearsay.

  • FreethinkingWorldGuy

    Is that what you believe?

    There has been and is still quite a bit of debate about that. Here’s a good starting point, if you’re interested in digging into Hitler’s position on religion:

    In any case, Hitler used Christianity and it was integrated into the Nazi party and movement. Here’s an excerpt on this:

    “Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which mixed ideas of racial purity and Nazi ideology with elements of Christianity. Hitler used the term in Article 24[1] of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: “the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity”. Non-denominational, the term could be variously interpreted. Positive Christianity allayed fears among Germany’s Christian majority as expressed through their
    hostility towards the established churches of large sections of the Nazi movement…. Hitler identified himself as a Christian in an April 12, 1922 speech.[4] Hitler also identified himself as a Christian in Mein Kampf.”


  • FreethinkingWorldGuy

    Well said!

    There’s plenty of room for disagreements amongst people. But the silver lining is we can talk, learn, and debate; most importantly and in any case, doing that leads to GROWTH and UNDERSTANDING. Even if we still have disagreements lingering on following discussions, honest and open dialog often produces benefits and otherwise can be productive.

    But there is NO room for trolls. As we have touched on, the worst type of troll contributes nothing to discussion as they stay fixated in the simple, destructive mode of hurling insult after insult, all while projecting their bad behaviors onto others–especially those who disagree with them.

    Good job on calling him out.

  • David Cohen

    Oh hardly. One has only to read the Gospels (which you have obviously not done) The Pharisees almost seemed to be following Jesus around looking for things to call him on, such as gathering grain on the Sabbath to eat, healing on the Sabbath and not washing his hands before eating. And the argument behind their harassment is always the same “But it is written…” And Jesus, when he gets tired of their legalism, calls them white washed sepulchers. .

    Fast forward to the modern day. It was religious conservatives who tried to argue against marriage equality with “but it is written…!” Just as the tried to argue against women’s suffrage and the ending of Jim Crow with “But it is written…” The harassed Democratic presidents relentlessly for indiscretions real (Bill Clinton) and imagined (The Clintons) because “But it is written…” And yet when someone is elected who can help them regain the political power they have lost over the decades, suddenly their memory of what is written becomes highly selective and its mulligans aplenty for their man.

    I would suggest that you concern yourself with the plank in your eye before worrying about the mote in your neighbor’s, but I doubt that you would get the reference.

  • David Cohen

    I know, which is what makes your obvious lack of knowledge all the more laughable.

  • Says you

  • David Cohen

    Demonstrated by me in my response below. But then, since you are clearly too lazy to read the holy scriptures you thump, you are probably too lazy to read my post.

  • What did you say about politics in your earlier comment oh willfully blind one?
    It’s such a shame you couldn’t be honest even if your life depended on it.

  • David Cohen

    No real response then. Just puffing out your chest and saying “No, you’re wrong.” I noted before that you throw the word “hypocrite” around without knowing what t meant. Thanks for showing everyone that I was right.

  • David Cohen

    “We did not elect a minister or pope as president.”

    – So religious conservatives give Agent Orange a pass on the very matters they condemned Bill Clinton for. The reason, as you have indicated, is because Dolt 45 is willing to help your lot regain the political power they squandered decades ago whereas Clinton was not. Apparently truth and morals make good talking points, but worldly power is what your lot truly seeks,

    No wonder the churches are going empty and closing.

  • My points stand and your responses prove it- you’re an automaton- maybe a robot- you’re no thinking person but a duped one and that’s the way you prefer it.
    Pull the wool over your own eyes some more.

  • David Cohen

    Okay, its obvious you need to have the final word, even if its just saying “no, you’re wrong because…reasons.”

    Go ahead, I give you the final word.

  • I’m a better atheist than you,,,,,,,, said no Christian ever.
    But then again the irony of your comment probably escapes you.

  • jekylldoc

    The Parsees of India, including Freddie Mercury, are Zoroastrians.

  • Ann

    You don’t pay good attention to what you write, either. Otherwise you’d not have a subject-verb agreement error in your message.

  • Alonzo

    Awe…thanks for the corrective. Typos can be corrected, but a negative mindset as yours is more difficult to mend. Now if you wish to discuss more substantive issues, then use reasoned arguments. Otherwise, find a discussion more suited to your demeanor.

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  • Chorbais Dichault

    Jesus was a communistic hippie pantheist guru. Christianity since Constantine has been incompatible with his life and message.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    Good retort (except for the “Dolt 45” thing – as if Obamarx had been nothing but a stuttering idiot without his teleprompter) for all the preachy, sanctimonious pricques here. The United States of America may be a Christian nation, in as much as the majority of its citizens are Christians, but what sets it apart from others is its individualistic and Darwinian streak.

    Once you let go of the falsehood that America was founded on “Christian righteousness”, you no longer try to kowtow to the Leftists’ Alinksyite tactic of holding you to such impossible standards. President Trump is as American as the Trail of Tears. Universal morality is a crock; stand by your tribe!

  • Chorbais Dichault

    Everyone knows “The meek shall inherit the earth” to be an utter falsehood. The meek inherit nothing but servitude; for the Bible is a lie, just like any writing that states there is any kind of cosmic justice, while Darwinian competition is true. Ours is a godless universe.

    Christianity has risen in the world only because it has ignored its founder’s teachings.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    But you should say it. When you extol the free market economy (as do I, an atheist), you’re being a better atheist than many atheists, who in calling for the welfare state are striking in their embrace of the Christian value of charity and care for the weak.

    It’s a fact that so many Christians are Social Darwinists, and so many atheists, Social Creationists.

  • Barros Serrano

    Step back from the rhetorical falderol for a moment and consider.

    An overt racist, proud strutting misogynist and sexual abuser, who mocks the disabled and non-whites, who abuses children for seeking asylum, who lies every time his mouth opens, who stays up all night tweeting arrested-adolescent insults, who criticizes women on their appearance… and on and on and on and on…

    And a CHRISTIAN can support such a person?

    No, a Christian cannot.

  • Barros Serrano

    Such typical online flame-war cliches.

    Clearly you have nothing to say.

  • Barros Serrano

    He’s probably a russki

  • Barros Serrano

    Nothing strange about it. I’m not Christian, yet I follow Jesus’ teaching FAR better than any Christian-Right quasi-fascist does.

    Read Matthew 25.

  • Barros Serrano

    When “Christian” leaders come to the White House and give validation to a demonic psychotic misfit, yes, Satan wins.

    Just as Satan won when Billy Graham was eagerly seeking photo-ops with Nixon.

  • Barros Serrano

    It is the “evangelicals” who are the problem here. We already know that Trumpolini is a psychotic and dangerous misfit.

    But for evangelicals to meet with him and offer NOT ONE WORD of criticism for the extensive evil Trumpolini is pursuing…

    Well, “Christians” in name only. As is anyone who would support that Orange Thing.

  • Barros Serrano

    In Matthew 25, Jesus does not say that one goes to heaven for believing, without consideration of their actions toward others.

    “I was hungry and you fed me not.” (You voted for Republicans to cut food stamps for poor children.)

    And so on…

    The “sheep” in that chapter was not identified as “one who believes the bible is the word of God.”

  • Barros Serrano

    So that justifies genocide?

    Do you have a rationalization for lynching black people, as well?

    Nothing any Native Americans did compares to the genocide visited on them by the Europeans.

    Do you list European ethnicities also, and claim they were vicious and warlike?

    You sound like the hypocritical Europeans clicking their tongues at the Mexicans for human sacrifice, yet up to their necks in Inquisition blood.

  • Barros Serrano

    You’re a Nazi, then, right? That spiel sure sounded Naziesque…

    Alinsky? Marx? You listen to Alex Jones FAR too much.

    And your nonsense is sociopathic. “American as the Trail of Tears”… that’s the way it is, so it’s ok, eh?

    Please take some time to read the Bill of Rights.

  • Barros Serrano

    however much it might have offended you, the statement is true

  • Barros Serrano

    oh sure, call them “illegal” and then anything goes, eh? Dehumanize them with a stereotype, and you can abuse them at will.

    That is dangerous thinking, reminiscent of that of the German Nazis.

    This President is a loose cannon, a psychotic, a dangerous angry megalomaniac narcissist, and must be removed for the good of the world.

    Turn off Faux News and reacquaint yourself with concepts like facts and logic.

  • Barros Serrano

    Again, entering illegally is a civil misdemeanor. So they should lose their kids?

    Is that what JESUS would do?

  • Barros Serrano

    Jesus is not advising people to be meek in that statement. He is expressing the law of karma. Those who were dispossessed shall re-possess, we could say.

    Jesus himself overthrew the moneychangers’ tables outside the temple. Hardly the actions of a meek person.

  • Barros Serrano

    The modern Christian Right leaders in the U$A make the Pharisees of Jesus time seem like Saints!

  • Barros Serrano


    I think evangelicals studiously avoid reading the parts of the NT involving Jesus’ actions or his words.

    But they’ll quote Paul at you all day… “It is written”, indeed!

  • Barros Serrano

    You’re adolescent name-calling certainly does reflect the love of Jesus in your heart…

  • Alonzo

    Your reply is neither useful, substantial, nor a reasoned argument but is full of gossip and vitriol.

  • Alonzo

    Clearly, you deflect, redirect, and engage in sidetracking finger pointing. Typical of those who toss reason to the wind. So, blocked you are. I was not addressing you, anyway. Intruding in another person’s discussion is rude.

  • Stupidity knows no bounds it seems.

  • Rich coming from someone whose not even Christian in name.

  • Bob Vaughan

    Barros, you have to do better. Please answer the questions first, and then I will be happy to answer yours. You have to work on your critical thinking and debating skills. Classic “Whataboutism” is not debate.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > You’re a Nazi, then, right?

    Highly unlikely, seeing as I’m Jewish. I’m just someone who recognizes the laws of nature for what they are instead of seeing the universe through the glasses of either theism or secular humanism.

    > Alinsky? Marx? You listen to Alex Jones FAR too much.

    I’ve never listened to Alex Jones even once. You, on the other hand, seem to have imbibed the teachings of CNN (Communist News Network) in earnest. “Trumpolini”? LOL

    > “American as the Trail of Tears”… that’s the way it is, so it’s ok, eh?

    Nature red in tooth and claw, of which H. sapiens is an inseparable part, is neither good nor evil, just the reality. I point it out to those who think it can be papered over by laws and ideals.

    > Please take some time to read the Bill of Rights.

    Citing a piece of paper? QED to my point above.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > Jesus is not advising people to be meek in that statement.

    “Dem words, dey don’t mean what dey plainly mean. Let me tell you what dey really mean.” Nice try, but I’m my own counsel as to interpretation.

    > He is expressing the law of karma. Those who were dispossessed shall re-possess, we could say.

    Then it’s still a colossal lie, as there are so many cases where the dispossess never get to repossess.

    > Jesus himself overthrew the moneychangers’ tables outside the temple. Hardly the actions of a meek person.

    That only goes to show you he was a hypocrite just like most religious leaders. Nietzsche’s statement about him being the only true Christian is hereby refuted.

  • Widuran

    What is this idiolatry?

  • jeff

    I would venture to say that there may be at least a handful of sincere evangelists in the mix that attended the event. As I would, take the opportunity to be a positive influence and a present force for the cause of Christ. The problem is, not one us truly knows the intentions of any them, thus all we can do is pray for them and our leaders. Peace!

  • Barros Serrano

    Oh you sure feel lthreatened by the truth about your Orange Hero, eh?

    And you have observed all the things Trumpolini has said and done and think I’m exaggerating at all?

    “Grab ’em by the p….” did he say that or not?

    Has he not defended EVERY male accused of sexual misconduct?

    Has he not insulted most of our allies, cuddled with the dictator Putin, praised Duterte, been played like a violin by Kim…

    And on and on.

    Open your eyes. You’ve been bamboozled!

  • Dana Corby

    I have long held that paid professional clergy is detrimental to the religion they serve — no matter what religion. When your ability to put food on your table depends on keeping seats in the pews and money in the collection plate, it’s human nature to — at first unconsciously and later less so — distort your message to pander to your audience. And to begin to enjoy the power that gives you. And then to rationalize what you’re doing so you can keep sleeping at night. And what’s worse, those you’re supposedly serving come to believe you’ve a right to it because you’re so “special.”

  • Dana Corby

    Someone directly quoting historical documents is neither starting with a premise nor reaching any sort of conclusion. This is not a matter of opinion — it’s documented, often in Hitler’s own words and those of German church authorities. It looks like FTWG has done his homework while you have merely flung a personal opinion at him.

  • Alonzo

    Wow! You have such a dark outlook on God and lack of trust in God’s gifts to the church. Have you read Paul’s letter to the Ephesians in which he laid out the gifts God gives to the Church: apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers? It seems that your experience has tarnished your long-held beliefs, because you generalize to the extent to include all clergy. Nothing you claim is correct in your generalizations.

  • Ann

    Sure did!

  • ElectricStrawberry

    The real faith leaders are parents, grandparents the unsung heroes that never get invited to a White House dinner. Parents and grandparents that sacrifice there lives to raise their children to the best of their ability. The parents and grandparents that are the invisible people that work everyday never making headlines, the ones who never shake a presidents hand. Parents and grandparents that face financial ruin each day only to press on and never getting a pat on the back. The unsung heroes of the Grandparents that are raising grand kids in abject poverty with no assistance, these are the real faith leaders. Not the jet set evangelicals that are looking for the next person to praise them, or the next White House dinner, living like rock stars promoting their latest product line. The real faith leaders are truly living by faith raising their kids and grand kids. I have a place in my heart for these real faith leaders, there is a growing phenomenon in this country as more and more grandparents are raising grand kids and NOT ONE evangelical or politician has ever addressed this. Evangelicalism has developed into a very lucrative business making many multi-millionaires and I am turned off by all of it.The modern day Evangelicals preach a cotton candy theology that challenges no one , everything is beautiful. Just don’t forget or over look who the real faith leaders are, and they ain’t on TV or jet setting in their latest $54 million dollar bizjet. Parents and especially grandparents.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Oddly, no where in those lovely Spiritual gifts, have I read that fleecing the flock, or worshiping an utterly lawless, corrupt, deceitful, cruel and unrepentant, Vile-Orange-Idol, is one of them.

    Maybe this Scriptural passage more accurately describes the “false prophets” & “wolves in sheep’s clothing” leading today’s “Harlot of Babylon” fake-christian churches. – 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12