Is Christianity Really “Bolted To Reality”?

Is Christianity Really “Bolted To Reality”? January 8, 2019

Christianity is bolted to reality. I know. I did the very same double take when I read that in a headline yesterday morning. Even refreshed the page and yet, there it blared as loud as before, “Christianity: Bolted to Reality”.

There’s a fantastic line from one of the world’s most celebrated films, Home Alone, that goes something like this, “Uncle Frank? Is this a joke?”. I had no choice but to recite this, my favourite Kevin McAllister line, as I clicked the link to the blog post.

I had to know if this was satire.

It had to be satire right? Either that or I’m dreaming?

Upon clicking the post by Greg Koukl and skimming, I realized this is an attempt at discrediting the atheist community, in particular, “new atheism” and not at all satirical.

So, I said, “Alright, Jesus man, let’s do this” and took a swig of Fireball.

With my cogs properly lubricated, I read this holy apologist’s first assertion, which is that “new atheism” has no new arguments. It appears as though nothing slips by this pew-glued proselytizer, because this is correct since no atheism at all is really an argument. It’s more of a request: “If you want me to believe in your saviour, please provide some evidence”. Or even a response: “No, I won’t believe that until you prove it”.

He says though, that the new atheism comes with a new attitude, which is, of course, a poorly disguised way of crying, “persecution”. Scared we might actually make sense, he has to reduce our increasingly loud voices to just “attitude”.

It’s funny because he then refers to two intelligent and influential men to illustrate this attitude. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. Richard Dawkins can get fierce from time to time but it’s usually triggered by utter nonsense and I would hardly label that attitude. And of course, anyone who would describe Sam Harris as having an attitude, either has no idea who Sam Harris is or has never heard him speak or debate, or they’re unusually deluded. Sam Harris is cooler and more relaxed than a bike rack in Fargo in January.

So, essentially, Koukl is saying that atheists have an attitude… of wit, brilliance and cool, calm, and collected reason. H’ohhh boy! You really nailed it to us that time. I think I have a bruise.

Our arguments are shallow, he goes on to say as if there should be depth to something that is essentially just a “no” to an absurdly wild claim. As atheists, he says, we also attack what Christians do! Which is correct, when you’re trying to limit our freedoms and rights. Unfortunately, when you try to force scripture-inspired policy or when you indoctrinate helpless children, or when you purposely demonize contraception in parts of the world that so desperately need it, we’ll attack what you do. Just like, I would hope, if I started to key your car, you would likely take issue with my actions as well.

The best part of this argument by Greg of God, though, is when he says that we never check that these people, the ones who do things that we attack, are actually true Christians. Once again, the no true Scotsman fallacy is invoked, which begs the question: If I add up all the people in the world who’ve been labelled, “not a true Christian” by someone at some point in time, it would leave nought but one or two true Christians left in. Hardly much of a religion, don’t you think? Sounds more like the buddy system, to me.

Kouklamanza says, with an air of hurt reminiscent of the scene in Forrest Gump when no one will let him sit next to them on the bus, that we dismiss Christianity. Well, of course, we do chapel chap, just like we dismiss the Ogopogo, Bigfoot, Ra and Santeria. It’s silly to believe anything for which there is no strong evidence. Stupid is as stupid believes, Forrest, Forrest Gump.

Christianity can’t be dismissed that easily.

Oh, but it can, altar boy. Not only can it be dismissed that easily, but millions of us have dismissed it that easily.

It just isn’t going to go away.

Oh, but it is Bible bro. The numbers are dwindling, the power and influence are receding and the mass desperation like that which is displayed in your post is indicative that you feel the tides turning yourselves.

You can’t find just one questionable thing in the Bible and then have the freedom to completely disregard all of it.

Sure you can, if that one questionable thing is the entire bloody premise of the book… ie. God.

It’s not going away.

You said that already, Square Greg. That round hole is not going to accommodate you, no matter how many times you try. The repetition of your claim whiffs of the famous children’s book, The Berenstain Bears Get the Gimmies, so stop kicking, pull yourself up off the floor, dust yourself off and face facts. It is going somewhere. Christianity is headed to the same lovely afterlife that all religions and myths are destined for: antiquity.

Christianity is not a house of cards; it’s a big, giant, complex, durable worldview. It’s a way of thinking; it’s an ideology; it’s an explanation of the world that is bolted to reality.

You and I most likely do not share the same definition of reality here. To me, reality does not include any of the following:

  • Talking snakes. While I would love to believe that and even might enjoy having a talk with a serpent (providing he’s not a Jehovah’s Witness), it’s simply not true. If snakes talked, ever, we would know by now.
  • All of humanity descending from one couple – a bounty of genetic evidence has disproven this.
  • Virgin births – a common myth that made its way into each civilization since the dawn of myths. A myth, for which there is no evidence to support, and quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.’Talking bushes – I can’t even dignify this with a refutation. Even if there was a god who decided to come to chat with us, if he chose a bush that also happened to be on fire, I’d question his intelligence. I mean, he could have chosen anything to speak to us through, the moon, an ocean wave, a volcano or a human skeleton… but no, he decides shrubbery should have an impact. Hot, hot, shrubbery.
  • Reanimated human beings – Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of The Walking Dead and all, but I don’t pray to a statue of Darrel’s crossbow every Sunday before it airs.

Add 950-year-old men, living inside of a whale, all the species of animals on one boat for months, etc, etc and you have what us sane people like to call, a “tall tale”. It’s not bolted to reality, my friend, it’s been haphazardly glued to it using non-toxic glitter glue and it’s starting to come loose.

My conviction is that the foundational principles of Christianity resonate with our deepest intuitions. That’s why I can go into a philosophy class and say, “Let me give you five or six foundational elements of a Christian worldview and I think you’ll have a hard time arguing against these ideas taken individually. These are the things that make up the foundation and the basic superstructure of the view we call Christianity.”

What you’re saying is that these principals do not need Christianity to be understood, as they can be attributed to our intuition. See, now you’re getting it!

One of the foundational, cosmological questions is why something exists, rather than nothing. Why is anything here at all?

I fail to understand why we need to know this. Of course, everyone would like to know an answer to this, but it could very well be that there is no answer. Making up stories to explain it may make you feel better, but it doesn’t me. I’d rather keep looking and not limit human knowledge by saying, “God did it”. Talk about a closed-minded way to look at things. If this question is ever answered, there will be evidence to support the findings. Until then, formulating wildly improbable hypotheses about it and then committing to them so fully that you shut out anything to the contrary is behaviour I’d expect from someone like Gary Busey, not someone who claims to have a worldview that is “bolted to reality”.

As far as whether or not I’m dreaming goes, I’m sure now that I am awake. I mean, who has Fireball in a dream? A smooth rum or a crisp craft beer, but Fireball? Nope, this isn’t a dream, and this Christmas cracker really believes everything he said. Sigh.

How would you respond to the claim that Christianity is bolted to reality? Let me know in the comments!

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  • LeekSoup

    The first question would be “How do you determine what is ‘real’?” The second question would be “What bolts do you use?”

  • WallofSleep

    I don’t care who they are or what they believe, the minute someone starts whinging on about “new atheists” I know they are an angry hack worthy of nothing but being ignored.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    new atheism” has no new arguments

    Correct, but meaningless, since atheism makes no positive claims. It functions solely in counterpoint to theism. So your statement reflects poorly on your religion, as it implies that you ran out of new arguments long ago, and are essentially repackaging old wine in new wineskins.

    atheism comes with a new attitude

    In western societies, Christians once employed a most devastatingly effective tool of evangelism for centuries before it fell out of favor. It cemented the wavering faith of believers, left opponents with no leg to stand on, and triggered a cascade of conversion by the thousands. That tool was the argumentum ad baculum. It’s no surprise to find atheists become emboldened by its disappearance.

    It just isn’t going to go away.

    You don’t have to remind us that Christianity enjoys a popular majority, political dominance, and centuries of cultural inertia. It’s will continue to be the 800 pound gorilla in the room well beyond my lifetime. Does that make it somehow true?

    Our arguments are shallow

    Every so often, one of our NR authors runs across a listicle that goes something like “Ten Questions That Atheists Cannot Answer“, usually featuring loaded terminology designed to misrepresent us or assume a particular conclusion contained in its premises. And every one of those questions receives a response of surprising sophistication and sincerity, not just from the blog editor, but readers as well. Still, reading the list right off the online ministry’s source, where comments are disabled, might give you the impression that we are not putting much thought into our ideas or process of forming them.

    You can’t find just one questionable thing in the Bible and then have the freedom to completely disregard all of it.

    We don’t have to debunk every line in order to harbor doubt over the content in general. One questionable thing by itself disproves the claim that the bible is free of all error and 100 percent correct. If you think we are holding you to impossibly high standards remember: we didn’t create those standards or claim to achieve them.

  • My 18 year old daughter had lunch with her grandfather last week whole she was home from college on break. The conversation turned to her recounting some of the mythology from around the world she learned in a literature class. The curriculum labeled all religious stories (Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc) as myths. Her grandfather said, ” No, the stories in the Bible all really happened and are historical fact.” My daughter said she had to decide whether to argue with a man who has believed for 70+ years that a guy lived inside a whale for 3 days, a virgin gave birth, a donkey talked to a guy, or just let it go and say, “Ok, Pop” and move to another topic.

    Pop’s beliefs aren’t rooted in evidence, proof, or even observations from nature. They are rooted in early childhood indoctrination and choices to continue to believe them despite overwhelming evidence otherwise. That is Pop’s reality.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Koukl, you forgot that The Four Horsemen released over fifteen years ago, newer and more sophisticated games have been designed since then, and speedrunning the maze has gone beyond boring. No, we’re not impressed with your knowledge of the cheat codes, and aren’t going to go poof when you take down the final boss Dawkins. Grow up.

  • WallofSleep

    I don’t know why you would reply to me when your intention is to address Koukl. That’s just… weird.

  • Jim Jones

    Christianity is bolted to the Elon Musk’s Tesla Roadster that served as the dummy payload for the February 2018 Falcon Heavy test flight

    And it’ll wander out there for a long time.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Begging your pardon. I wasn’t replying to you, so much as using your comment as another springboard to yell at the clouds. I hope you don’t take it personally. Also, before I forget: Offa my lawn!

  • Jim Jones

    We could reply to Koukl if he allowed comments.

    But he must be busy walking through the valley of death and fearing no evil except skeptical comments.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I can’t wait to see the look on its face when it catches up to that little china teapot!

  • WallofSleep

    Okay, thank you for the clarification. I didn’t take it personally, I was just confused for a moment there. Perhaps it is I who should be telling people to get offa my lawn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMNydYw34I

  • larry parker

    2) Shear bolts.

  • Jesus Smith

    I lost it at, “You and I most likely do not share the same definition of reality …”.
    Hahaha

  • persephone

    self-sealing stem bolts

  • persephone

    They’re training people to argue for Christianity. *eyeroll* If this is what they consider a strong argument, I’m not going to worry for even half a second that this will work on anyone, except the most gullible.

  • Michael Neville

    Koukl isn’t writing with us as his intended audience. He’s telling the faithful that atheists are stoopid and they’d be stoopid if they became atheists. Considering that Koukl is an evangelical and the evangelical churches are hemorrhaging members, it’s really just a sales pitch to keep butts in pews.

  • Polytropos

    You can’t find just one questionable thing in the Bible and then have the freedom to completely disregard all of it.

    Whenever something in the Bible doesn’t match what we know about reality, we have to ask a very important question: what else is wrong? And it turns out we don’t have to look very hard to find inaccurate and questionable content in the Bible. From the shape of the world to Roman census methodology, the Bible is stuffed full of claims that are wrong.

    Does this really suggest a book written by, or even inspired by, an all powerful deity? Of course not.

  • Jesus Smith

    One of the foundational, cosmological questions is why something exists, rather than nothing. Why is anything here at all?

    I fail to understand how the question is meaningful.
    Are they looking for a reason that exists or a reason that doesn’t exist?

    If the question is framed in terms of reality, it becomes clear that the question doesn’t make any sense.

    What caused reality?

    Clearly there can’t be a cause.
    The hidden claim here seems to be that there is something other than “reality” or “existence” that “causes” “reality” or “existence”.

    That which is “other than reality” is not real – by definition.
    That which is “other than existence” is non-existent – by definition.

    If they say, “We don’t mean existence or reality, silly.”, then they have two problems:
    First is that they are assuming gods or a god, which is begging the question.
    Second, reality is the set of all possible worlds, including this one.
    This set of possibilities and probabilities cannot have been caused due to the reasons above.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Lightening bolts.

  • WallofSleep

    “You can’t find just one questionable thing in the Bible…”

    My first thought on reading that lame apologia from Koukl was “Of course not, I can find a multitude of questionable things in the bible.” I’m snarky like that.

  • WallofSleep

    “… which is begging the question.”

    Jesus H. Smith! I love it when people use that phrase correctly. For you, sir:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/KDYSjKRqnlpZe/giphy.gif

  • Ricky

    Hey, Fake news lover. They deleted your comment now as well. Pot haters are morons.

  • Ricky

    What is Charlotte’s Web oil? *eyeroll* gullible

  • persephone

    I didn’t say I hate pot. I said I hate potheads who can’t shut the fuck up. Not surprised you’re having reading issues.

  • persephone

    Who the hell are you talking to?

  • Ricky

    You, ya dumb bitch. What is Chalotte’s Web oil? You’re obviously a pot hater and a feckin liar as well.

  • Ricky

    “BTW, I’ve literally muted all the potheads on twitter, because every damn time someone posts about their pain or health issues, some stoner starts posting links and crap about the wonders of pot.”

    So you don’t like it when people present scientific discovery about disease, got it. How’s that twitter safe space working out for ya, snowflake?

  • GHlad

    Koukle’s article (which lists a publish date of 2013) is as bad as this one on the same blog, “Why We Care About the Truth” , which was posted recently. Comments are closed, which makes it all the more frustrating to read.

  • Ricky

    “Weak ass loser with unattributed quotes.

    If you don’t like it here, leave. Don’t start name calling the mod.

    BTW, I’ve literally muted all the potheads on twitter, because every damn time someone posts about their pain or health issues, some stoner starts posting links and crap about the wonders of pot. Even when you tell them you’re allergic (I am), they w ill not STFU. Seems to be the side effect of regular use.”

    This is your comment to me. Where in it did you say “I said I hate potheads who can’t shut the fuck up”? All I see is a pot hater wetting themselves.

    I think you have an allergy to the truth. Where was your pot allergy diagnosed?

  • john Johnson

    How would I respond to the assertion that Christianity is “bolted to reality”? By dissecting multiple aspects of Christianity and seeing whether the comport with reality, or even with the Bible. And by pointing up inconsistencies within the Bible.
    I.E. Christians generally conflate Genesis I & II. But when actually read they cannot be reconciled. Genesis I (actually the newer version) says that God created man and woman at the same time, from the dust of the earth. And is generally read as implying a divine plan for Male and female. But Genesis II says that God created the animals looking to create a “help meet” for Adam. “But for Adam there was not a help meet found.” Genesis II cannot be construed as implying a “divine plan” of male and female.

  • john Johnson

    Hebrew has 2 words which the Bible renders as “virgin.” And the Jewish prophesies referring to the Moshiach preclude the modern understanding of virgin. There’s an entire bloodline the
    Moshiach’s father must be descended through.
    So, deplorable translation bites Christianity … again.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    In a word, no! Christianity is myth, or most of it is. God is spirit and in every living creature and plant urging them to be all that they can be. Jesus was a human, born to a woman who had a male husband or partner. He went beyond what his religion told him, and accepted those who were different, worshipped different religions. He was Jewish but wanted all to be compassionate and kind, no matter their religion or lack thereof.
    If he was alive today he would admonish those who disrespect the LBGT community and tell them to be kind. In those days no one knew that being LBGT was inborn.

  • Gord O’Mitey

    Bolted to reality, eh? That post was riveting, but it won’t wash, er – ‘cos it’s all nuts, eh. Well der time’s come for Me to solder on, eh, or I’ll be feckin’ glued, blued and tattooed..

  • persephone

    They don’t present scientific discovery. They just yammer on and on about how awesome anything marijuana related is.

    BTW, you never gave us the attribution for that huge quote you posted. I asked nicely.

  • persephone

    You’re the one who started name calling people who didn’t agree with you. What a lameass, whiny, bullshit, can’t make a cohesive argument, tantrum-throwing snowflake you are.

  • Ricky

    It’s not a matter of agreeing, halfwit. It’s fact vs lie. You can look it up yourself if you have access to the internet.

    Bitch, you boast about your safe space that you created for yourself and call me a snowflake? You are too dumb for words.

    4th time, what is Charlotte’s Web oil?

    If you want to find what I quoted, use the fuckin internet.

  • Ricky

    You asked nicely? You leaped at the chance to defend your lowlife mod and name called me in the process. Too dumb. Copy from quote to quote and google it you fuckin halfwit.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    JFC, could you at least link to the original thread and provide some background context, so the rest of us can decide for ourselves why you are such a raging asshole?

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I don’t want to come off as envious, but it seems you have lately acquired a following.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Maybe he posits a god who created reality without actually existing. Now that would be the ultimate hat trick!

  • Elizabeth A. Root

    How many times can I upvote this! Wonderful analysis.

  • Elizabeth A. Root

    Just in case the interchange isn’t some weird joke that I am missing, if you had used the “fuckin Internet,” or just went straight to Wikipedia yourself, Ricky, you would know that Charlotte’s Web is a high CBD strain of cannabis named in honor of Charlotte Figi, whose seizures were moderated by the use of medical marijuana. Her case gave a boost to the medical marijuana movement in the USA.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    self-eating stem bolts

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I’m flattered, but like to think I just picked up the scraps that Courtney left behind from shredding Koukl’s talking points.

  • Ricky

    Hello Elizabeth and thanks for your concern. See, I did use the fuckin internet and already knew what Charlotte’s Web oil is. But the dumb bitch I’ve been arguing with seems to think it’s hemp seed oil.

    10 points awarded for your correct answer.

    Question for you. If you find a direct quote on line without attributions, could you find it yourself? Not trying to be a dick, just asking.

    Edit: Now I see you’re upvoting the dumb bitches comment. Are you seriously so slow that you thought I was asking because I didn’t know? That’s exactly my problem with dumb fuckers. You’re too busy trying to stick up for one another to try and actually get context. See, you know what CW oil is and are siding with a dumb bitch that would argue it’s something else. Bravo!

  • Ricky
  • Ricky

    Hopes high, maybe some day you can be as dumb as she is.

  • rationalobservations?

    Religious beliefs are based only upon indoctrination and upon no historical evidence whatsoever.

    The belief that an imaginary god/god-man is real does not make it real.
    The belief that an imaginary god/god-man is real does not make it probably real.
    The belief that an imaginary god/god-man is real does not make it possibly real.
    Any personal and unsupported belief has no bearing upon the possibility that any god/god-man (among all the millions of very similar undetected and undetectable imaginary gods, goddesses and god-men) is “real” in any form but the imagination of an indoctrinated believer.

    There are millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men among which the originally Canaanite god “Yahweh” and Roman’s god-man “Jesus” appear nothing special and there is no evidence of the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men among which the originally Canaanite god “Yahweh” and Roman’s god-man “Jesus” appear nothing special.

    It’s not that we atheists pretend to know that any particular god does not exist.
    We observe there is no evidence of the existence of any gods, goddesses and god-men, and simply do not pretend to “know” that any of the undetected and undetectable gods do exist.

    Christians are often baffled how atheists could deny the existence of their originally Canaanite god, “Yahweh” and Roman god-man “Jesus”, but they really shouldn’t be. Christians deny thousands of the very same undetectable and undetected gods, goddesses and god-men that atheists deny. Atheists just deny one more god than Christians do (or is that three gods, maybe?).

    It’s not that we atheists are “anti” any of the many millions of gods and goddesses that have been invented by men to gain power and wealth for themselves down the ages. We simply do not believe in any and all of them. I wonder if any unreconstructed religionists are “anti” Zeus, Odin, Apollo, Quetzalcoatl, Pratibhanapratisamvit, (Buddhist goddess of context analysis), Acat, (Mayan god of tattoo artists). Or Tsa’qamae, north american god of salmon migration, or any of the millions of other undetectable and undetected totally imaginary deities among which the Judaeo/christian gods appear nothing special and about which there is nothing unique or original?

    Atheists and religionists are not so different, after all! Let us celebrate our vast agreement on the non-existence of millions of undetected and undetectable gods and other hypothetical and imaginary beings!

    https://monicksunleashed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/99-percent-atheist.jpg

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SLVOq77YxcI/WdD49ptS1SI/AAAAAAAAlOs/FqEnF3E72zoc4HIK4i_jqfQAVYLOGvclACJoC/w1435-h1221/20171001_101457.png

  • persephone

    Kind of scary. You hang out here long enough, tell enough people to f**k the he!! off, and BOOM.

  • “Virgin births – a common myth that made its way into each civilization since the dawn of myths.”

    And when you read the supposed prophecy about this virgin birth in Isaiah 7, you’ll realize that the mother wasn’t to be a virgin at all. It was the prophet’s wife, whom he “goes in to,” and she has the baby in the next chapter. They claim it’s a double prophecy, but they never claim that there were two virgin births. Can’t have it both ways, people!

    EDIT: I see John Johnson already addressed this.

  • persephone

    Dude, you’ve accused me of making comments that I didn’t make. You post a huge quote, but don’t include the attribution. You then keep coming after me because, despite my telling you that I’m not that person, you keep calling me garbage names, and even treat me like I’m scum because I asked for one source of a quote. You are a pile of rotted garbage.

  • “It’s not that we atheists pretend to know that any particular god does not exist.
    We observe there is no evidence of the existence of any gods, goddesses
    and god-men, and simply do not pretend to “know” that any of the
    undetected and undetectable gods do exist.”

    I have sometimes said that it isn’t that I believe that gods couldn’t exist, it’s just that all of the ones people have ever believed in seem to be the products of nothing more than speculation.

  • Ricky

    I’ve not accused you of anything but stupidity, if I have quote it. Liar. Many of the places I post don’t allow links so stopped bothering and I’m not obligated to post an attribution. Figure it out.

    “You then keep coming after me because, despite my telling you that I’m not that person”

    Wtf are you talking about? We’ve had no such discussion and you still haven’t answered my fuckin question.

    Calling you names because you asked for a source? Crackhead liar.


    persephone
    Weak ass loser with unattributed quotes.

    If you don’t like it here, leave. Don’t start name calling the mod.

    BTW, I’ve literally muted all the potheads on twitter, because every damn time someone posts about their pain or health issues, some stoner starts posting links and crap about the wonders of pot. Even when you tell them you’re allergic (I am), they w ill not STFU. Seems to be the side effect of regular use.”

    That’s not you, right? Liar

  • Ricky

    What are you on about, bitch? You asked for this. Answer the fuckin question.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Oh, is that what attaches the wool to all of those sheep?

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I don’t care what Charlotte’s Web oil is. Nobody here does, which brings me to my next little bit of advice: if you want to be thought of as an adult in the room, don’t chase your critic to unrelated blogs to scream off-topic epithets. People will correctly identify you as an unhinged moron, summarily block you, and dismiss your ideas as crackpot without consideration, even if you happen to be correct. That’s not even counting the option of moderator intervention.

    Stalker points awarded: 1/5 4Chans

  • Ricky

    Fuck off, clown. I don’t care if they ban me, I expected to happen already. You asked for context and now you don’t care? Eat shit.

  • rationalobservations?

    The third largest and fastest growing human demographic agree with you.
    There is no evidence of the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    All right then. They say that you learn something every day, but it’s becoming obvious that you have some catching up to do. Just doing my part.

  • larry parker

    Can’t pull the wool over your eyes.

  • Ricky

    I know what I need to know. I know your dumb bitch friend defended her dumb bitch mod and then you defended her even though I’ve clearly demonstrated what a dumb bitch she is. You two must stroke each others ego regularly. You dumb bitch.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    I thought that pot had a reputation for mellowing out its users. As a precautionary measure, you should double or triple your dosage, just to keep your blood pressure under control.

  • Gary Whittenberger

    Kokul: One of the foundational, cosmological questions is why something exists, rather than nothing. Why is anything here at all?

    Because Absolute Nothing is impossible!

    1. Absolute Nothing could not generate something.
    2. If there had been Absolute Nothing, there wouldn’t be something now.
    3. But there is something now.
    4. Therefore, there was never Absolute Nothing.

    God is not needed to create anything. The universe is eternal, and it changes according to natural laws. That’s just the way it is.

  • Ricky

    Who says I use pot? You stupid fuck.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    If you haven’t tried it already, I suggest taking an extended break with a bong and a large cache of bud, until you manage to calm down.

  • Ricky

    Ok, bookofDumbid, I’ll get right on that.

    You looked at the link, didn’t you? You read where your dumb friend spoke out of line and brought this all on herself and don’t want to admit it because you’ll be calling her on her stupidity. You two are mutually pathetic.

  • Elizabeth A. Root

    It depends on the source of the quote. If it had becomes famous, it’s usually pretty easy to find. If it is from, say, a news article it’s a lot trickier.

  • ORAXX

    That humanity was in need of a redeemer is predicated on the story of a pair of nudists in the distant past who took dietary advice from a talking snake. All of which was written down by some third person who knew what was going on in the mind of God. That’s it. That’s what Christianity hangs its hat on. I think the question of whether or not Christianity is bolted to reality answers itself.

  • Elizabeth A. Root

    I don’t know why you asked them, but I upvoted Persephone because she was spot-on about your calling her names. I see it is not worth talking with you. I don’t allow people to talk to me the way you do. Reading through your comments, I am not sure if you have a point, or just like to rage at people. In any case, you are about to be blocked.

  • Ricky

    She wasn’t complaining about calling her names. She was bitchin because I called out the mod who claimed Chalotte’s Web was hemp seed oil.

    Like I said, you have no perspective. You’re not sure if I have a point? You haven’t tried very fkn hard. Tell ya what, Liz. I didn’t come here to make friends or hang out. I came to tell that bitch off for speaking out of line. For jumping my shit when she had no context, just like you and that dumb fucker bookof-lamevid did. If you want to what this is about, follow the link. If not, get the fuck over it. I’m not trying to impress anyone here because I know I’m right.

    You fuckers on here whining about religion and the lies behind it ought to have some small desire for the truth outside of religion, no?

  • Ricky

    All 3 of you are fuckin morons.

  • John Gills

    Didn’t Mork from Ork comment, “Reality! What a concept.”

  • Jim Jones

    The KJV is riddled with deceptive mistranslations. IMO, we’d be better off leaving and learning some of the Greek words.

  • john Johnson

    I have argued with Christians who would call such a suggestion … heresy. Many times I point out the origin words and their meaning and I get something like: “I trust in the Bible.”

  • Jim Jones

    All the different words for ‘love’ is one example.

  • Erik1986

    My horse bolted yesterday…

  • Ricky

    That rotted garbage smell is your dirty downstairs.

  • Lisa Cybergirl

    Virgin birth is absolutely real – just not for mammals and most other animals. There are species of fish, reptiles, and I think some amphibians that do it when they’re hard up for mates.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    “1. Absolute Nothing could not generate something.”

    I don’t accept that as an axiom.

    Demonstrate it.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    I like some of your progressive ideas, but I won’t bother believing in any ‘god'(s) until there’s evidence for such.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Mirror…you need to examine yourself in one.

  • Ricky

    So you followed the link and got the details or just decided to dumb fuck like the rest of your pals?

  • Ricky

    Exactly what I thought. Another dumb fuck moron that just wants to talk shit without having a clue. Shocked I tell ya.

  • Steven Watson

    Why on earth did you rant at a six year-old post by a nincompoop? There wasn’t anything in it that hasn’t been answered umptie times over.