6 Signs You Might Be An Atheist Soon

6 Signs You Might Be An Atheist Soon May 15, 2019

I’ve been around atheist Twitter long enough to watch countless people go from angry, confrontational self-described victims of Christian persecution, to atheists in a matter of months. I’ve seen many people turn, leave their faith behind and experience the exhilaration of being free of dogma and cognitive dissonance. Most outspoken atheists have seen this so many times that they recognize the pattern now. We can, for the most part, pretty safely predict which of the angry religious tweeters will be atheists soon. There are ridiculously accurate tells, and I often wonder why we don’t put money on it. We’d all be rich.

Despite your insistence that it’s not true, here are six telltale signs you will be an atheist soon:

1. You are inexplicably and unreasonably hostile towards us and you appear to be so simply because we don’t believe in a god. You don’t know anything about us, save for the fact that we’re atheists and we talk about it. I could be the most generous, caring person on earth and you’ll still send me tweets like this:


It doesn’t matter that it makes your biblical morality look like Johnny Manziel on a bender in Vegas. Your concern for the image of your religion has dissolved into your own fear. Fear of your own doubts. Of course, us outspoken beacons of faithlessness only serve to personify your doubts and that causes terror. Terror that your entire worldview is wrong. Terror that everyone you’ve ever known has lied to you. Terror that we do, in fact, live in a godless world and when we die, we return to dust and ash and plant fertilizer and that’s about it. Someone so deeply afraid of these things can’t help but lash out at those of us who know them to be true, and despite that knowledge, we still manage to lead interesting, love-filled, joyful lives. When a Christian or a Muslim or a member of any of the world’s largest religions comes at me out of nowhere spitting flames, I can always rest assured they have doubts, and they’ll be an atheist soon.

2. You refuse to let atheists define atheism, and force your own idea of what atheism is on us during debates. No matter how many times we try to correct you, you refuse to hear what atheism really is. You’re sure atheism is a dogmatic system of beliefs with prescriptive doctrines and a worldview that includes the big bang, evolution, abiogenesis, extreme left politics and indulgence in everything your precious book describes as sin.

You refuse to see it as a one-word answer to one question… you refuse to see atheism as the answer, “no” to the question, “do you believe in a god?”. You can’t see atheism as just the idea that it’s silly to believe in something for which there is no good evidence. You can’t see atheism for what it really is, because you’re terrified if you accept that definition of atheist, you would then be one yourself.

3. You answer many of our questions with, “I’m not going to do your research for you.”


This usually comes after you’ve made claims that evolution has been debunked or that scientists have found evidence that proves the Bible is true or that Noah’s ark was a real thing, and there was a global flood that wiped out everyone and everything not on said ark. Of course, like any good skeptic, we’d follow up those claims by asking to see the evidence you claim exists. “Give me a link to a scientific paper,” we will request. Like clockwork, your retort is as predictable as the red shirt’s untimely demise in Star Trek: The Next Generation. “I’m not going to do your research for you.” This translates roughly to, “I have no reliable sources to back up the claims I’ve made here.” What you near-atheists fail to understand during this exchange, is that we have done our research. That’s why we’re atheists and once you do yours, you will be, too.

4. You insist that Hitler was an atheist.

Despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, including photos of Nazi rings with the motto, “God with us” engraved on them, quotes from Hitler’s own works including Mein Kampf itself, and recorded audio of speeches the Führer himself gave to his doomed countrymen, you insist he was an atheist, because the idea that someone can still be good after abandoning their belief in god terrifies you. That’s the one thing that keeps you from admitting you have your own doubts.

5. You’re insulted when atheists crack jokes about your god, your prophets, your holy book or your religion as a whole. You insist that we’re being offensive and that we should respect other people’s beliefs. The thing is, people who have a strong faith in what they believe, aren’t at all phased by a joke cracked at the expense of their beliefs. In fact, they might even laugh along with it. They know that an all-powerful, all-knowing, benevolent god couldn’t possibly be offended or put off by the satirical musings of one little anonymous atheist on the internet. Much like people who are secure in themselves can laugh at themselves, people who are secure in their beliefs can laugh at their beliefs. If you find yourself wounded by a harmless joke, you’re probably not as secure in your belief as you thought you were. Hi there, future atheist!

6. You can’t help but pay attention to atheists. Even when they’re just enjoying their own personal spaces online with fellow atheists, you’re compelled to pop in and give your two cents.


People who are happy with their faith don’t pay much attention to the conversations atheists have about not believing. The only reason it catches your attention is that our lack of belief makes you feel uncomfortable. Why? Because deep down inside, you have doubts, too. When we openly talk about our skepticism, you feel that pang deep in your gut, and you’re reminded of your own doubts. When you confront us, you’re really confronting your own doubts. When you argue with us, you’re really arguing with your own skeptical thoughts. When you try to explain away the holes in your creation myth, you’re not doing it for our sake, you’re doing it for your own. When you try to convince us why we should believe, you’re really trying to convince yourself.

People who have an unshakeable faith don’t seem to succumb to any of these things. I can’t speak for all my fellow atheists, but any of the actions listed above amuse me more than anything else. I’ve had people who proclaimed that Hitler was an atheist louder than anyone else, come back two months later and tell me they no longer believe in a god. We see through you, straight to your doubts and we engage because we know they’re there. So, flame on my pseudotheists, flame on harder than ever before. We’ll be here for you when you finally deconvert. We’ll be here to welcome you with open arms to the free and liberating feeling of leaving your faith behind.

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  • The Bofa on the Sofa

    Remember,

    1) Hitler was an atheist. Although he was a catholic and declared that by killing the Jews, they were dong God’s work and had the motto “God with us”, he was really an atheist. Meanwhile
    2) Although Einstein stated very clearly that he did not believe in a personal god, he was actually a Christian because he said “God does not throw dice”

    That’s Christian logic.

  • Featherfoot

    I was curious to learn more, so I looked up the Twitter accounts you posted. One was suspended, but the others look like they’re still Christian. Or at least, they were whenever they last posted. So, I assume this is something you’ve seen mostly in personal communications. Pity, because it would have been interesting to learn more. Anyway, do you think these signs are also true in reverse? For instance, is being insulted by a believer telling a joke about atheists a sign someone is going to convert?

  • Michael Neville

    Einstein was a Christian despite being a non-observant Jew.

  • WallofSleep

    Let me know when one actually does tell a funny joke about atheists. Most of them only trot out long debunked tropes as ‘jokes’. I’m looking at you, Katt Williams.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I find that I often get along much better with atheists than I do with other believers. This would be the other side of that.

  • Jim Jones

    He was Muslim because he used Arabic numbers and Persian Science.

  • rationalobservations?

    What do you believe and why do you believe it?

  • rationalobservations?

    Fewer than 18% of Americans are active religionist’s according to actual church attendance figures published by the American Church leaders association – regardless of the lies reported in polls and surveys..

    Worldwide the third largest and fastest growing human demographic are the godless non-religious and the rapidly growing number of rotting redundant churches that litter the villages, towns and cities of the now primarily secular developed world pay silent witness to the rapid and accelerating decline of ignorance, gullibility and superstition.

    Meanwhile: The vast majority of the millennial generation and generation Z around the world shun all religion in favour of evidence based knowledge, logic and commonsense.

    If religion poisons everything, the antidote to that vile and deadly poison has been found in education and free secular democracy.

    Thank goodness the USA is slowly catching up with the more civilised nations of the world apart from demanding guns for all and the sacrifice of other folk’s kids to great god assault rifle.

    There’s no sign of any mass return to superstition and every sign of a more peaceful and intelligent future for humanity.

  • rationalobservations?

    Religionist’s jokes about the rest of us are always so wide of any mark that they are risible and too infantile to be offensive.

  • ThaneOfDrones

    He also used zero and negative numbers, so he is also Hindu

  • ThaneOfDrones

    The correct answer to that is usually “I believe I’ll have another beer.”

  • WallofSleep

    Everybody needs to believe in something…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na9bY9gmhw4

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I don’t think I need to justify myself to you.

  • rationalobservations?

    That’s a good answer.

  • rationalobservations?

    You cannot justify your superstitious bunkum to anyone.

    Don’t be embarrassed. No religionist’s ever has or can.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Nice job playing along with one of the favorite atheist stereotypes.

  • rationalobservations?

    Nice job demonstrating typical religionist’s denial, obfuscation and cognitive dissonance.

    Next .?

  • 1a) Don’t forget that antisemitism within Germany was put there (or at least encouraged) by Martin Luther.

  • sweeks

    Hey, you… leave that future atheist alone!

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re going to have to explain to me how I did those things, because all I can remember doing is making an observation that I felt was relevant to the article and then refused to play along with you when you got bent out of shape over the presence of someone who believes differently than you do.

  • he was jewish because jesus was jewish so that makes him a catholic, too.

  • (((-MARK-)))

    Einstein never believed in a personal God and was never a Christian because he was a Jew.

    He was quoted as saying. If my theory of relativity is proven true, Germany will claim me a German and France will declare me a citizen of the world. If my theory of relativity is proven wrong, France will declare me a German and Germany will declare me a Jew.

    Later on he had to flee to the United States and would of been killed as a Jew if he stayed.

  • At the same time??

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Future agnostic is more likely.

  • He was actually a Hindu because . . . . India has one of the largest populations, and China doesn’t count as Einstein had no wish to pray to his ancestors!

  • WallofSleep

    I read that in Roger Waters’ voice.

  • WallofSleep

    Now that’s funny. And a quote I’ve not heard before.

  • Ann Kah

    And there you go, zero to hostile in one question flat. C’mon now, we are expecting you to be showing us how calm and rational you can be. You started out that way.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I don’t believe I was being hostile, but the “question” was obviously a heavily loaded one attempting to lead me into a position where I would have to explain and justify my religious beliefs even though it is not the topic of discussion.

    If you were to make an observation that included a mention of your atheism, would you tolerate someone immediately demanding an explanation for why you are an atheist? I suspect not.

  • rationalobservations?

    Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.

  • rationalobservations?

    If you cannot justify or validate your superstitions, or don’t wish to attempt to excuse your superstitions – that remains your prerogative. No one can make you or would wish to try. Your response to the question is probably more telling than any answer you could attempt.

    My original question – “What do you believe and why do you believe it?” – was a genuine inquiry designed to provoke THNKING about it.

    Sorry that it appears too have upset you. I think that you may well be one of these latent atheists the article talks about as you have already demonstrated several of the traits.

    Best wishes and sympathy to you and yours.

  • rationalobservations?

    I doubt most nonbelievers would be fazed in the slightest by the question “why you are an atheist?”.
    For many it is the fact that there are millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men and no evidence or reason of and for the existence of any of them.

    It’s a sore point for religionists that they are as atheistic about millions of gods and goddesses as the rest of us. We merely add your undetected and undetectable gods and god-men to all the others that there has never been any evidence of or reason to believe in.

    Back to you:
    What do you believe and why do you believe it?

    No need to answer of course. Thinking about that question is the first step…

    Best regards

  • rationalobservations?

    Also don’t forget that the 1st crusade left in 1096 and casually slaughtered 20,000 Jews before it passed through what much later became modern Federal Germany on its way to attempt genocide in the middle east.

  • rationalobservations?

    “The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”
    – Albert Einstein – Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954.

    “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
    – Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in “Albert Einstein: The Human Side,” edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman.

    “During the youthful period of mankind’s spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man’s own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.”
    – Albert Einstein, quoted in “2000 Years of Disbelief,” James Haught.

    “I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.”
    – Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2.

    “It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere…. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”
    – Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science,” New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930.

    “Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity, it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history.”
    – Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941).

  • TS (unami)

    I don’t think it was “loaded” at all… and I’m also a Christian here.
    She simply wanted to know what you believe. Why is that a “threat”? Aren’t you supposed to be “ready to share the hope within you”, etc.?

  • Ann Kah

    I’ve never been shy about explaining why I’m an atheist. (The Cliff notes: I do not believe in the supernatural, period, and nobody has ever given any evidence to make me change my mind. Ever.) But if you feel it was derailing the conversation, there are a lot of ways to state that which are not so snippy and offensive. Bottom line: it sounded pretty hostile from this side. Perhaps you didn’t mean it to be, but one cannot always correctly calculate the effect of one’s words.

  • Ann Kah

    Oh c’mon, be fair. Jesus jokes are funny to some Christians, pointless to others, and offensive to others. I mean, Christians nominally share a certain amount of belief, but atheists come from all directions. There is probably no such thing as a universal sense of humor, once one is past the age of five.

  • Andrea Fitzgerald

    What I don’t understand about Christianity is that Christians worship a Jew.

  • Andrea Fitzgerald

    …would have…

  • RainbowPhoenix

    The “and why do you believe it” part makes it sound more like an attempt to drag me into a pointless debate that would not see either of us budge. Just because I usually get along better with atheists than I do with other believers doesn’t mean I don’t have enough experience to recognize red flags.

    And you did not upset me. I just tend to be very blunt.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    A complaint I’ve seen many times is that any time an atheist reveals themselves is that people then immediately demand that they justify themselves. Can you understand my confusion when an atheist apparently does the same thing at the presence of a theist?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    It was the “and why do you believe it” that set off red flags for me. Why include that part if not to try to force a debate that would not do anything except leave behind bad feelings after neither side budges?

  • TS (unami)

    I see it as an honest question (“why do you believe it”) simply asking for clarification how you may have moved from 1) not believing it or 2) believing something else to what you believe now…

  • RainbowPhoenix

    If the question had simply been “what do you believe?” I would have happily answered, but experience has taught me to be wary of the “and why do you believe it” part. Most atheists I’ve encountered are content to live and let live, but there are those who insist that everyone must be an atheist. I may have misjudged, but even her clarification that she wanted to encourage me to think seems awfully prejudiced in its assumption that I haven’t already.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    If so then there were better ways to get that intent across.

  • TS (unami)

    Whatever, I honestly didn’t read it as hostile, but it’s hard to get emotion correct online

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Well, thank you for confirming that my initial assessment of your loaded question was correct.

  • WallofSleep

    BTW, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!, to Godless Mom for putting this together. I’ve gotten so much use out of it these last few days. Apologies in advance if my linking it leads abusive troll here.

  • WallofSleep

    They handwave that away by claiming Jesus was the first xtian. Yes, it is laughable.

  • Mark Anthony Lee

    Good points, Courtney. There silence speaks volume too and I know there are people on the fence who quietly do read arguments made by Atheists. Planting seeds of doubt. That’s what we do when we write.

  • Ann Kah

    “Why do you believe it” is, however, an important question, because an amazing (to me) number of people just start out with “the bible says…”. As a result, the “why” is a more important fact in furthering any discussion than the “what”, because as we have all seen that same bible gives rise to over forty thousand different forms of Christianity.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    In that case I can understand it as a follow-up question, but simply asking both at the same time struck me as rude and demanding.

    Also, she pretty much confirmed in a reply to someone else that she was trying to maneuver me into an argument so she could push me toward being an atheist.

  • rationalobservations?

    We appear to be in broad agreement, Ann.
    It has been observed that the sense of humour is related to levels of intellectual capacity.
    Higher functioning religiots may appear to confirm that psychological assessment.

    Atheists universally and exclusively share non-belief in all the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men. Any other attributes are common to many/most members of our recently evolved species of ape.
    Even non belief in most of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men appears universal among our recently evolved species of ape.

    Best wishes to you and all readers.

  • rationalobservations?

    I respect bluntness when it’s an indication of honesty and sincerity.
    Obfuscation and denial is a different matter altogether.

    You appear to be on the verge of atheism regarding the undetected and undetectable god(s) in which you were indoctrinated including the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men in which you already do not believe.

    At least you appear to be THINKING about it.

    Best wishes on the journey away from indoctrination and superstition

  • rationalobservations?

    Your defensive misunderstanding of an open question say more about you than any questioner.
    Your obfuscation is also telling.

    Kind regards

  • rationalobservations?

    But you were an advocate for bluntness previously?

  • rationalobservations?

    I understand any “confusion” results from the inability to offer credible and evidence supported answers to such simple questions. As you have clearly demonstrated.

    Regards
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    Accept that for which there is evidence and reject that for which no evidence exists.

  • rationalobservations?

    Not “loaded”, just impossible to answer by any religionist who is moderately intelligent and wishes to retain any self respect or credibility. As you kindly continue to demonstrate dear Rainbow.

    Kind regards and good luck on the journey away from indoctrination and superstition.

  • rationalobservations?

    Most atheists are also agnostic.
    Atheism and faith would disappear if evidence was discovered of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.

    Meanwhile the third largest and fastest growing human demographic are the godless non-religious and the millennial generation and generation Z are the least religious demographic in the short history of our recently evolved species of ape.

    Best wishes

  • WallofSleep

    Aye, but there is ample evidence that I should have another beer. Cheers.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re making a lot of assumptions about me even though literally the only thing you know about me is that I’m not an atheist. Why?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    No misunderstanding. You directly confirmed my original assessment.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I said that I tend to be blunt. I didn’t say that it’s always a good thing.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    So by your logic, only atheists are not confused by double standards.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Nice try, but you just admitted that you were trying to provoke me into a debate so you could push me toward atheism. My suspicion that you were trying to do so is the reason why I did not answer your loaded question in the first place.

  • rationalobservations?

    Assessment of your obfuscation and denial is not assumption based, dear.

    If you have not paused to consider why you cannot detail, validate and explain your beliefs you are more indoctrinated than it appears from your entries.

    If you have you must be on the way to atheism – even if it has not sunk in yet.

    Best wishes to you and yours.
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    You defensive position and condition of denial speaks volumes.

  • rationalobservations?

    Why do you think you could not give a “blunt” and sensible answer to an honest question?

  • rationalobservations?

    Straw man non-argument is a logical fallacy.

    Still no answers I note.

    Regards.

  • rationalobservations?

    Subjective claim – not evidence.

  • rationalobservations?

    Time alone will tell if you are curious enough to investigate the indoctrination to which you have succumbed and the cognitive dissonance you demonstrate.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re assuming an awful lot based on nothing more than that I am not an atheist.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You admitted that it wasn’t honest.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What strawman?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What defensive position? What position of denial? Because I didn’t play along with your plan to put me into a position where you could try to push me into being an atheist?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What obfuscation? What denial? You admitted that your original question was an attempt to manipulate me into a position so that you could try to push me into atheism. How is it obfuscation and denial to not give you what you want??

    The reason that I have not yet answered the question of what I believe is because you have confirmed my initial suspicion that you were not asking in good faith. You don’t seem interested in changing that.

  • rationalobservations?

    Unless you actually do believe in all the many millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men that I do not believe in, you are nearly as much of an atheist as I am. You just have one more (or is it three more?) undetected and undetectable “gods” to see through to join the third largest and fastest growing human demographic of the godless and religion free human demographic today.

    It is you who assumed much in your initial furious reaction to my thought provoking questions. Have you thought about any possible logic and evidence based answer to those questions yet?

    Here’s a reminder of the simple open unbiased question you dodged and have been so angry about ever since:

    What do you believe and why do you believe it?

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-434c933dbcb927838a725a2781baab73-c

  • rationalobservations?

    Online definition:
    obfuscation
    /ɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃ(ə)n/
    noun
    the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
    “when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation”

    That appears to fit your responses that do not disguise your inability to offer sensible answers to simple questions?

    Denial?
    Take a look back through your responses to most challenges within this comment column.

    I admitted nothing but that I have for many years asked the awkward questions that no religionist can answer sensibly and through the use of evidence.

    Best wishes
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    No. I revealed that my questions were honest and designed to provoke deeper thinking. That’s all.

    Why do you think you are so angry about your inability to offer any rational and evidence supported answers to such simple, honest and innocent questions?

  • rationalobservations?

    Is your faith so week that answering, or being unable to answer, simple questions could “push” you “into being an atheist” ?
    You are probably already an agnostic it appears?

  • rationalobservations?

    This straw man also burns…

  • WallofSleep

    My being sober is the evidence.

  • this is why the GOP is pushing all that anti abortion shit hard, they know they are running out of time. Like how Disney is slapping STAR WARS on every freaking product out there. Desperation over the knowledge they are sliding into total irrelevance.

  • “No muthafucka We got bills and shit”

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi63s6

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I’m just trying to follow your logic, since my confusion was entirely over the double standard I was seeing.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Except you already admitted that your question was intended to start an argument so you could push me into being an atheist. That’s a separate issue from what I believe.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    No, you revealed that you wanted to start an argument so that you could try to push me into being an atheist. That is the opposite of an innocent and honest question. I refused to play along because I know that such an argument would be unproductive, and that appears to have set you off.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I’m still not seeing how refusing to play along with your admitted plan to start an argument constitutes obfuscation or denialism.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words admitting that you wanted to start an argument so you could push me into an atheist before even knowing what I believe. Why does the presence of someone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you need to immediately try to change their beliefs based on nothing more than the fact that they are different from yours?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You confirmed that my initial assumption was incorrect.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your own words acknowledging that you wanted to start an argument to push me into atheism before you even knew what I believe. Why does the presence of someone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you feel the need to immediately start an argument so you can try to change them before even knowing what their beliefs are?

    Your question was not innocent, it was not unbiased, and it was not simple, and for some reason you seem very angry that I didn’t play along with your stated plan to start a theological argument. Your question was simply rude and demanding. If you were genuinely interested in finding out what I believe, you would have saved the “and why do you believe it” portion of your question until after you found out what my beliefs actually are.

    You have not angered me. In fact, you are the one that seems angry because I did not adhere to your script, and you seem to be trying to project that anger on to me in order to justify the many assumptions you have made based on nothing but the fact that I am not an atheist.

  • rationalobservations?

    You queried the use of the word “obfuscation” previously but go on to demonstrate your addiction to obfuscation, RP.
    Thank you for recycling my considered and apparently (for you) apt comment.

    Your already extensively and conclusively demonstrated that you can think of no response to the questions (What do you believe and why do you believe it?) that would not leave you looking gullible and/or foolish. Why continue to reinforce that fact?

    Best wishes to you and yours
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.
    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    You have already been provoked into THINKING about that which deludes and enslaves you and therefore my work with you is done.

    Best wishes to you and yours, as ever,
    RO?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You admitted that your question was not innocent. You admitted that your question was asked for the specific purpose of dragging me into a debate so you could try to convince me to be an atheist, and now you’re making up excuses for why I deviated from your script.

    It is also extremely presumptuous of you to think that I haven’t thought about the subject already. It looks an awful lot like the “Magic Christian” argument proselytizers use to justify themselves.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your words admitting that you wanted to drag me into a debate about my beliefs without even knowing what they are. It is obvious that you are angry because I deviated from your script.

    I suggest you take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are making so many assumptions based on nothing but the fact that I am not an atheist.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You have not yet explained how it is “obfuscation” to refuse to give in to your demands to debate my beliefs with you so you could try to push me into being an atheist.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your words admitting that your question was neither innocent nor simple.

    Why does the presence of someone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you feel the need to immediately try to change them without even knowing what they believe?

  • rationalobservations?

    I am not angry at all, my dear, but I thank you for making me laugh at your failed attempt at ad hominem though…

    Your already extensively and conclusively demonstrated that you can think of no response to the questions (What do you believe and why do you believe it?) that would not leave you looking ignorant, gullible and/or foolish. Why continue to reinforce that fact?

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO? https://media3.giphy.com/media/8FVv6Ym0DE1elKrS8m/giphy-downsized-medium.gif

  • rationalobservations?

    Again:
    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more ignorant, foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.
    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words admitting that you wanted to force me into a debate so you could push me into being an atheist. Why does the presence of someone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you feel the need to immediately try to change them before even knowing what they believe?

    What ad hominem? The only ones I’m seeing are coming from you. I keep seeing you parroting a lot of buzzwords, but nothing of substance. Probably because not knowing what I believe makes it impossible for you to argue the subject.

    By the way, your condescending behavior and gifs don’t do anything except make you look like a troll.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Again, you have admitted that you were not asking an innocent question. You have admitted that you were trying to force me into a debate so you could convince me to change my beliefs even though you didn’t yet know what my beliefs are.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words admitting to what I suspected from the very beginning. Are you going to acknowledge them?

    Are you going to acknowledge that you are engaging in many of the same behaviors as toxic Christians? Are you going to acknowledge the double-standard that you attributed to the fact that I am not an atheist? Are you going to acknowledge that you are engaging in the same Magic Christian behavior that many proselytizers use to justify themselves?

    Why does the presence of someone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you feel you must immediately attempt to convince them to change their beliefs without even knowing what their beliefs are?

  • rationalobservations?

    You still offer no evidence of, or need for, any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men or any of the human institutions of religion that invented them.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    A subject completely separate from what I believe. You would know that if you had just politely asked what I believe instead of immediately trying to force me into an argument so you could try to change my beliefs.

  • rationalobservations?

    Yet again:
    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more ignorant, foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.
    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    Your assumptions say more about you than about me.
    If you didn’t want to enter into discussion – why these endless diatribes of denial?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words admitting that you were not asking what I believe in good faith. You admitted that you wanted to start an argument so you could convince me to be an atheist even though you have no idea what I believe. Why are you refusing to acknowledge your own words? Why does the presence of anyone who is not an atheist anger you so much that you feel the need to immediately try to change them without knowing what they believe?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What assumptions? Unlike you I have focused only on your own words instead of my preconceptions about atheists. You’re the one assuming your script applies to me even though you haven’t found out yet what I believe.

    What denial? You’ve admitted that you wanted to force me into an argument so you could try to convince me why I should be an atheist. All I’m doing is refusing to the adhere to the demands you so rudely made the moment you found out you were in the presence of someone who is not an atheist.

  • rationalobservations?

    You’re getting tedious now, my dear.

    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more ignorant, foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.
    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more ignorant, foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.

    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You want to talk about tedious? Why do you keep repeating yourself instead of acknowledging the points I have brought up about your rude and demanding behavior? It’s obvious that I have angered you a great deal by not going along with your script, and your attempts to force me back into line have not gone anywhere. You won’t even acknowledge your own words when they are repeated back to you, and you refuse to answer my requests for clarification about how I am engaging in “denialism” or making straw men.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    So you are admitting that I am not actually assuming anything about you, since your response to my question of what I am assuming about you is the same copy-paste response you make every time I ask you a question. Your refusal to answer any of the question directed toward you makes it look like your the one that does not have any credible answer to why you insist on immediately trying to change any person you encounter who is not an atheist.

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    That is an exact quote of you admitting that you were not asking an innocent question. Why are you refusing to acknowledge your own words? Are you going to give an answer or are you going to copy and paste again? The latter will be confirmation that you don’t have a good reason for being so hostile to the presence of anyone who is not an atheist.

  • rationalobservations?

    Hilarious!
    You don’t want to discuss your beliefs and why you believe – yet endlessly repeat your non entries of vacuous accusation.

    Get a life dear and quit bothering me with your whining.

  • rationalobservations?

    Oh dear, still imitating a broken record?
    Please don’t bother to keep it up – but please get back to us if you ever have anything interesting and evidence supported to offer. Your tedious whining is boring in the extreme.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Wow, you’re so desperate to avoid any questions about your rude and demanding behavior that you’re not even trying to hide that you’re projecting your own feelings onto me.

    And as I have told you many times before, I would have told you what I believe if you had just asked in good faith instead of immediately trying to convince me to be an atheist.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You have literally copy-pasted the same thing over and over every time I have asked you to clarify one of the accusations that you have made against me. How am I the one imitating a broken record? Are you going to answer or are you going to copy-paste some more? The latter will be an admission that you don’t have any justification for your rude and demanding behavior.

  • rationalobservations?

    “Rude and demanding”??
    That appears to apply to you more than anyone else contributing to this column.

    You assumed much when you first indicated that you have no credible answer to the question: What do you believe and why do you believe it?

    You continue to fail to project your own angry denial onto me.

    I did” just ask” you “What do you believe and why do you believe it?”
    Your inability to answer those simple questions is your problem, not mine.

  • rationalobservations?

    It’s the same thing that exposes your failure so why vary the way that this assessment is delivered?

    You already made it very clear that you do not consider you could offer any credible answers to my innocent questions and that to attempt to answer would only end with you looking even more ignorant, foolish and gullible than your previous entries have already indicated.

    You need not reiterate or further emphasise that which you have already made so very clear.

    Best wishes and a big happy smile to you and yours
    RO?

  • ThaneOfDrones

    The well-known quantum phenomenon of Muslim:Hindu duality

  • ThaneOfDrones

    Yes, I think anti-semitism in Christian Europe predates Luther.
    He did make a notable contribution with his book On the Jews and Their Lies

  • ThaneOfDrones

    I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.

    Ha ha ha. He was not as clear as he protests he was.

  • ThaneOfDrones

    I doubt most nonbelievers would be fazed in the slightest by the question “why you are an atheist?”.

    But I still wish I had a nickel for every time it has happened.

  • ThaneOfDrones

    The distinction between atheist and agnostic is an eye-roller for most of us. There have been may lengthy discussions thereabout. I always like to cover the Santa Claus angle. So: “As long as you are agnostic about Santa Claus too.” The point is that, when there is no evidence for a thing, and no reason to believe in it, we generally say that we “don’t believe in it”, not that we “are agnostic about it”.

    Except when that thing is God.
    For a philosophical treatment, look up ‘special pleading’.

  • rationalobservations?

    Christians slaughtered all the Jews in York (UK) in 1198.
    The history of christianity is awash with blood.

  • rationalobservations?

    Oh yeah? I guess by now you may even have one nickel.

    If I had a penny for every religionist who failed to offer any evidence supported argument for any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men I wouldn’t be able to carry my cashboxes around with a truck.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your words, quoted verbatim, admitting that you were not asking an innocent question, and instead wanted to force me into a debate so you could convince me to be an atheist. This quote proves that every time you claim that you were just asking an innocent question, you are lying. Why do you refuse to acknowledge your own words?

    You were the one who first accused me of being angry when I did not adhere to your script. The projection is entirely yours based on your repeated failed attempts to cold read me instead of simply listening to what I told you many times.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words confirming that my original assessment of your loaded question was correct. Why do you continue to acknowledge your own words?

    By copy-pasting again instead of actually addressing my questions about your rude and demanding behavior, you are admitting that you have no justification for the way that you are acting.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    It was a joke.

  • rationalobservations?

    You are repeating your endless whining without purpose or meaningful content.
    You appear incapable of or terrified by the idea of meaningful discussion let alone debate.

    The length and number of your vacuous entries indicates that you have been provoked into thinking about your indoctrinated superstitions so…
    My work is done.

    Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    Oh, the irony.
    I am glad that you are obviously thinking about your indoctrinated superstitions.
    My work here is done.

    Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
    RO?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You are using the Magic Christian argument again. Because you don’t know what I believe as a result of your own rude and demanding behavior, you also don’t know how much thought I have given the subject. You are assuming things based on nothing more than the fact that I am not an atheist. It is extremely egotistical of you to assume that you alone out of all the people I have spoken with have somehow given me knowledge that I haven’t encountered before. It’s sad.

    You also don’t seem to know what the word irony, much like the words denial, obfuscation, and strawman.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What whining? I have asked you many times to clarify the many accusations you have made against me, and instead of saying anything of substance, you responded with out-of-context buzzwords and copy-pasting the same response over and over. You refuse to even respond to your own words copied verbatim, instead preferring to continue repeating the lie that has been disproven many times by your own words. You want to talk about vacuous whining without purpose or meaningful content? Look at your own copy-pasted answers.

    Your repeated copy-pasting and meaningless buzzwords show that you are incapable of justifying your rude and demanding behavior even though you have been asked many times to do so. Your condescending behavior demonstrates that I angered you greatly by refusing to adhere to your script, and you became angrier still when none of your attempts to force me back into your script were successful.

    You have not won anything here and it is simply pathetic of you to claim otherwise. The only thing you’ve done is perpetuate negative stereotypes about atheists and engage in the exact same behaviors that proselytizers use to justify themselves. I know that your response will just be more copy-pasting and meaningless buzzwords, so allow me to preempt that by suggesting you sit down and think about why the presence of anyone who is not an atheist angers you so much that you feel the need to immediately try to change them without even knowing what they believe.

    Literally the only thing you needed to do is ask me what I believe in good faith and save your questions about why until later. But you are too angered by the presence of someone who believes differently from you to engage in that basic level of civility. But I’m sure you’ll ignore this in favor of trying and failing to cold read me some more. That’s another behavior that proselytizers use to justify their bad behavior. Maybe you should think about why your behavior is so similar to theirs.

  • The Antagonizer

    Makes one wonder what it is about Jewish behavior that causes a rise in counter-Semitism.

  • rationalobservations?

    “Because you don’t know what I believe…”??
    You have repeatedly indicated that you believe in one of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men. No secret there.

    “…you also don’t know how much thought I have given the subject…”
    Quite a lot of thought recently if your devotion to our discussion is any sort of evidence!

    “You are assuming things based on nothing more than the fact that I am not an atheist.”??
    “Not” an atheist?
    Unless you believe in all the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men – you are very nearly as much of an atheist as the rest of us.

    “It is extremely egotistical of you to assume that you alone out of all the people I have spoken with have somehow given me knowledge that I haven’t encountered before.”
    I assume no such thing. The key to unlock a closed and locked mind can only be found within that mind. Good luck with the ongoing search. The spur to acquire knowledge is curiosity. Aren’t you even curious enough to research the historical evidence if only to prove me wrong?

    Best wishes
    RO?

  • rationalobservations?

    Your dogged devotion is flattering – but unwanted, dear.
    A quick scan of your extended but vacuous entry reveals nothing of interest or novel content.

    Thank you for your devotion – but unless you have anything interesting, relevant and meaningful to offer, please waste no more of either of our time?

    Best wishes and sincere sympathy to you and yours.
    RO?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re projecting again. You are in no position to accuse anyone of being “vacuous” when you have literally copied-and-pasted the same thing dozens of times in response to request to clarify the accusations you have made. Obviously we can add vacuous to the list of words you think sound impressive but don’t actually know what they mean.

    You are also in no position to accuse anyone else of wasting time when you have spent days throwing a tantrum because I would not adhere to the script you have for everyone who is not an atheist.

    Truly, the similarities between your behavior and that of Christian proselytizers is astounding.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You have repeatedly indicated that you believe in one of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men. No secret there.
    Well, nice of you to admit that you are simply prejudiced against anyone who is not an atheist.

    Quite a lot of thought recently if your devotion to our discussion is any sort of evidence!
    A non-sequitur. The only thought I have given as a result of our little “discussion” is focused on your hypocrisy, double-standards, intellectual dishonesty, and prejudice against anyone who is not an atheist. You have not provided anything that would give me any reason to think about my beliefs further.

    “Not” an atheist?
    Unless you believe in all the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men – you are very nearly as much of an atheist as the rest of us.

    Pure gibberish. You are trying to redefine other people’s beliefs in order to make yourself more comfortable and pretend that your argument is stronger than it actually is. We can add that to the list of the ways that your behavior is identical to Christian proselytizers.

    I assume no such thing. The key to unlock a closed and locked mind can only be found within that mind. Good luck with the ongoing search. The spur to acquire knowledge is curiosity. Aren’t you even curious enough to research the historical evidence if only to prove me wrong?
    You directly stated that the reason why you immediately tried to convince me that I should be an atheist before even knowing what I believe is because you wanted to make me “think”. The only way that claim works is if you think you are the Magic Atheist that will somehow introduce me to something that I have never thought of before even though I am thirty years old and have dealt with plenty of other toxic atheists who behave the exact same way you do.

    It is also a marker of your prejudice that anyone who believes differently from you must have a “closed and locked mind”. That is yet another assumption that you are making purely on the fact that I am not an atheist, even though you would not need to assume things if you would simply give the simple curtesy of saving your inquiries about why I believe what I do for after I answer the question of what I believe.

    If your next response accuses me of being “vacuous” (another word you apparently don’t actually know) because you couldn’t be bothered to actually read what I wrote, the only thing you will prove is that you are desperately flailing to find an excuse to pretend that you have the high ground even though none of your attempts to browbeat me back into your script has had any effect.

  • rationalobservations?

    Still nothing interesting or new to offer,.
    Why do you bother?

  • rationalobservations?

    I am not “prejudiced” against anyone.
    A shred of tangible and authenticated evidence supporting the existence and mythology of “Jesus” or any other god, goddess or god-man and I would accept it.

    Your ongoing petulance and anger is puzxling. It’s your problem however.

    Why are you bothering with all this fatuous denial?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    That’s because if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, you wouldn’t be able to continue justifying your rude and demanding behavior.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You admitted that you are judging me based entirely on the fact that I am not an atheist. That is literally the definition of prejudice.

    I’m not even asking you to believe what I do. I’m just trying to figure out why the presence of someone who is not an atheist angers you so much that you feel the need to immediately try to change them instead of giving them basic curtesy.

  • rationalobservations?

    If you were not so very deffensive, you wouldn’t imagine that my enquiries represented rude and demanding behaviour.

    If you had and have no credible answers, you had the prerogative to merely not respond to the we questions.

    This extended diatribe of accusation and denial appears pointless.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your paranoia demonstration is getting ever more tedious. Why do you bother?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    It’s not paranoia when it’s literally what you said.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    “Just giving that proto-atheist a little nudge along the way of logic and toward freedom and peace of mind away from the evil poison of religion.
    All that most moderately intelligent folk need is a nudge to actually THINK about and reject the garbage they have been sold.”

    Those are your exact words admitting that you were trying to force me into a debate so you could convince me to be an atheist even though you didn’t know yet what I believe. It is extremely rude and demanding to demand someone justify their beliefs to as the first thing you say to them, especially when they are not in any way trying to push their beliefs onto you.

    Any defensiveness you are seeing is yet another projection on your part. You are so hostile to anyone that is not an atheist that you feel the need to immediately change them before even knowing what they believe, and it has obviously angered you a great deal that I have continuously refused to abide by your script. Otherwise you would not continue in your failed effort to cold read me and make excuses for why I did not allow you to force me into a debate over my beliefs.

    No one is forcing you to continue responding to me. Every time you do, you only prove how angry and hostile you are that someone who is not an atheist had the audacity to reject your script.

  • rationalobservations?

    Why do you bother with this pathetic litany of excuses and diversion tactics?
    No one can make you excuse your superstitions and no one cares if you cling to them.
    I was only interested in what you believe and why you believe it. Once you demonstrated that you had/have no explanation – all else was and is superfluous and meaningless to the OP or our non-discussion.

  • rationalobservations?

    No one can make you explain or attempt to excuse your superstitions and no one cares if you cling to them.
    I was only interested in what you believe and why you believe it. Once you demonstrated that you had/have no explanation – all else was and is superfluous and meaningless to the OP or our non-discussion.

  • Sophotroph

    “What do you believe and why do you believe it?” is literally as concise as that question can be.

    It’s clearly not loaded with anything.

  • Sophotroph

    If you don’t see how you’re being incredibly defensive, there’s no explaining it to you; you’re too far gone.

    Your comment about a script suggests that you don’t really understand how a rational conversation is supposed to proceed.

    To pre-empt non-existent attacks is paranoid behavior. If you don’t realize you’re doing this, you legitimately might want to talk to a psych doc.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Or maybe you’re just too biased to see how it was rude and demanding, among other things, to immediately try to change someone’s beliefs before even knowing what those beliefs are. Especially since I have made no attempt to convince anyone to share my beliefs.

    I also understand how a rational conversation is supposed to proceed just fine. But as you can see from the comment I quoted, the other poster was not interested in a rational conversation.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    She admitted in another comment that she wanted to force me into a debate so she could push me into being an atheist. That makes it a loaded question.

    I also found it very rude and demanding to insist that I need to justify not being an atheist before even knowing what my beliefs are.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You admitted that you wanted to force me into a debate so you could push me into being an atheist. The quote is in the comment you just responded to.

    You obviously care a great deal, otherwise you would not have spent so much time attempting to browbeat me into following your script.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re projecting again. I quoted your exact words, in which you are blatantly prejudging me on the basis that I am not an atheist.

    You obviously care a great deal based on the amount of time you’ve spent trying and failing to browbeat me into following your script after what you directly admitting was an attempt to force me into a debate so you can push me into being an atheist didn’t work. I have quoted that comment verbatim many times and you have continuously refused to acknowledge it.

    If you were truly interested in what I believe and why I believe it, you would have saved the “why do you believe it part” for after I answered the question of what I believe. Too bad you let your prejudice and anger get in the way of acting like a civilized human being.

  • rationalobservations?

    You have never had anything to say – but just keep on saying it.

    Why do you bother?

  • rationalobservations?

    Still nothing relevant or interesting to say.
    Why do you bother?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re projecting again.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You only think that because you’re afraid to confront your bad behavior. Why do you bother with this tantrum over my refusal to adhere to your script if you’re not going to respond to anything that’s asked of you?

  • rationalobservations?

    Hilarious and confirmation of my previous observation.

  • rationalobservations?

    It’s you who are throwing this protracted tantrum over your inability to offer truthful or meaningful answers to simple questions.

    Please waste no more of your limited time between nonexistence and eternal nonexistence on this meaningless garbage.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Thank you for proving my point. You’ve admitted that you’re not even reading what I wrote. You’re in no position to talk.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    The only one wasting time is you. No one is forcing you to continue your failed attempt to browbeat me into following your script. You can stop if you want to, but you obviously don’t want to; you’re too angry that I wouldn’t let you force me into a debate so you could try to push me into being an atheist.

    And once again, you have admitted that your “question” was not by any means simple. I’ve given you the exact quote many times and you have refused to acknowledge it, whereas you have never been able to provide a quote proving the many things that you have accused me of.

  • rationalobservations?

    Thank you for demonstrating the truth of the OP.

  • rationalobservations?

    …?

  • RainbowPhoenix

    I’ve done no such thing. That’s yet another assumption you are making because you’ve admitted to being prejudiced against anyone who is not an atheist.

  • rationalobservations?

    Thank you for also confirming your condition of denial.
    You appear determined to demonstrate all the points made in the OP.
    Congratulations.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    What denial? I’m not sure you know what that word means. All I’ve done is refuse to give in to your rude demands to adhere to the script you use to try to convince people to be atheist. And if you repeat your usual lie, I am prepared to once again quote your own words that you have refused to acknowledge.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your furious repetitive whining must be getting boring to type?
    It’s certainly tedious to read….

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Someone who copy and pastes the same thing over instead of acknowledging their own words being pointed out to them has no business calling someone else repetitive. Projection is another favorite tactic of toxic Christians. You might want to think about why you have so much in common with them.

  • rationalobservations?

    Again
    Your furious repetitive whining must be getting boring to type?
    It’s certainly tedious to read….

  • RainbowPhoenix

    You’re projecting again. Why is your behavior so similar to toxic Christians?

  • rationalobservations?

    Why do you waste your time like this?