You’re A Heathen! You Can’t Get Married!

You’re A Heathen! You Can’t Get Married! September 19, 2019

If you’ve read the classics, you’ve likely gagged on stories of marrying strategically to advance someone’s position in society. You’ve read chilly moms say, “He’s a suitable match”. You’ve read slimy dads say, “I forbid you to marry below your class!”.

These types of stories still freckle our pop-culture. Disney loves to remind us that not so long ago, marriage for anything more than status had to be fought for. This is our recent history… this isn’t some ancient culture whose tales have stood the test of time. This is the reality of marriage in the last 100 years. In fact, there are vast areas of the world in which you can still watch people marry as a sort of business transaction, for which there needs to be some form of return on investment.

Marriage has been a cold-hearted, tortuous affair since its dawn. Only recently, has that begun to change globally.

A reader on my Facebook page sent me a message once. She (let’s call her Jane) told me she was getting married (congratulations!) and that her Christian best friend (let’s call her Annie) of 30 years had recently expressed her disapproval of that. Annie, citing Jane’s atheism, complained,

“Marriage has a spiritual element. You are not a spiritual person, so I have to assume, you are only doing this for him. You’re already legally common law, so why this extra step? I don’t get it.”

This is an extraordinarily ignorant thing to say. Especially to someone you consider to be your best friend of 30 years. What this reads like to me, is that either Annie is jealous, or she’s having her own doubts about her own belief system and it’s scaring the crap out of her. People don’t generally piss on the happiness of their loved ones for anything else.

You can deduce from what Annie has said that she is, in some way, unhappy with herself. If you can pinpoint why you’re going to be that much closer to having an honest conversation with her. Perhaps she has not married, herself, and is upset because you’re getting married first. Maybe she’s already married but unhappy with who she ended up with. She sees your bliss and is envious. Whatever the case is, one thing is for sure: Annie has some demons.

Once you have some idea of what might actually be the problem, you should try and get her to clarify her position. The fact that her claims are unfounded will become apparent to her if you get her to try and expand on what she means. For instance,

“What is the ‘spiritual element’ of marriage you speak of? Can you elaborate?”

Remember to be nice. If you ask these questions in an accusatory way, it will only make her retreat. You want an honest and open conversation here, so do what you can to get her to expand on her initial statement. Perhaps explain that as an atheist, you’ve never really understood what people mean by “spiritual” and you’d like for her to explain it.

She’ll stumble. She won’t be able to define what she means by “spiritual element”. There will be many deepities and a whole lot of word salad. She will likely describe something that sounds an awful lot like love, attraction, caring, selflessness, compromise and respect. Of course, these are not spiritual things. They exist right out in the open. They can be demonstrated, studied and examined. The best thing of all: we have words for them already! We don’t need to call any of these things “spirituality” because they already have names!

You need to point these things out. Explain to her that just because a feeling is powerful, overwhelming and hard to describe, does not mean it comes from some unproven realm of magic. In fact, the very same strong feelings and emotions have been observed in animals. Just check this out (this will make you cry):

The other possibility is that she’ll explain that observing religious traditions and ideas are necessary for a successful marriage.  If she does, it needs to be pointed out that this is not “spiritual” and that these traditions and ideas can be understood without the aid of the supernatural. Point out the many marriages between “good Christians” that have failed, and conclude that there is no evidence, anywhere, that supports the idea that adhering to certain religious beliefs leads to a better marriage.

Ask her if she thinks there is something lacking in the marriage between Penn and Emily Jillette, who have produced a beautiful family together, seem to be very much in love, and devote immense amounts of time to a charity called Opportunity Village. Penn and Emily are both outspoken atheists.

Feel free to tell her about my parents, too, who have been married 45 years now, and are still inseparable and celebrate their anniversary with joy each and every June. They spent their careers devoted to helping people and have earned much recognition for their contributions to our community. They are atheists, my father having been raised by atheists who were married until death did them part, as well.

Ask Annie what, precisely, is lacking from these marriages. Morality doesn’t appear to be lacking. Love certainly doesn’t. Reproduction is not. Devotion? Nope, seems like it’s there. So what, exactly, do these unions lack?

Tradition? If we all stuck to traditional marriage, we’d be marrying the man our parents told us to, so that they could ascend the social ladder like some painfully morose Jane Austen novel.

Biblical? Let’s take a look at Deuteronomy 22:

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Now, here’s Deuteronomy 25:

5 If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-law to her. 6 The first son she bears shall carry on the name of the dead brother so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.

Look at what it says in Ezra 10:

2 Then Shekaniah son of Jehiel, one of the descendants of Elam, said to Ezra, “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. 3 Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law. 4 Rise up; this matter is in your hands. We will support you, so take courage and do it.”

Let’s not forget Numbers 31:15 where soldiers were instructed to marry or “keep” their captive prisoners of war:

15 Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

To recap, “Biblical” marriage is between a man and a woman. Or a rape victim and her rapist. Or a widow and her brother in law. Or between a slave and a fellow slave. Or between a soldier and their prisoner of war. Biblical marriage is also never interracial.

So, you can ask Annie if she would support a marriage as a punishment for rape, so long as the participants believe in god.

You can also gently remind Annie that marriage has legal benefits. While common-law partnerships are legally observed in much of the developed world, there are significant differences between a common-law relationship and a legally married one, when it comes to property. In most places, anyway. Here in British Columbia, I have nearly all the same rights in a common-law relationship as I do in a marriage, but in many other places, including other provinces, common-law spouses are not entitled to the equal division of assets when the relationship breaks up.

Imagine you lived in a common-law relationship with the love of your life and have for the past 50 years. You live in his home, which is in his name. Imagine he had a pension that supported the two of you with ease and you were unable to work at this point in your life. Now, he passes away without a will. You could find yourself having to move out of the home you shared with him for 50 years, with no claim on any of his property and/or financial assets and no ability to make your own living. Having a legally binding marriage corrects this in many areas of the world.

Ask your friend if she thinks atheists should be excluded from these benefits of a legal marriage.

Annie will likely stumble over her answers, and the reason for this is because she hadn’t thought through her original statement. She’s just parroting some old bigoted rhetoric that was shoved down her throat as she grew, and has no real way to articulate why your marriage makes her feel shitty. I think you should press until you find out the real reason she’s upset by your upcoming nuptials. Only then will you be able to solve the problem.

If she refuses to be honest with you and continues to feed you word salad, then you need to consider whether or not this person is someone you need to be hanging on to. While saying goodbye to people sucks, clinging to toxic friends is even worse. Things change, people drift apart and hardly anyone finds themselves at age 50 surrounded by the same friends we used to play kick the can with when we were ten. As an atheist, you’re aware of the fact that we only have this one precious life and limited time to do what we want. Why spend our finite days with people who don’t support us and hope for our happiness? There is simply no good reason to. You’re heading into a joyous time, beginning your life together with the man you love. Don’t let bitter, angry people drag you down.

What advice do you have for Jane? Let me know in the comments!

Buy Me A Coffee
I’m writing a book addressing the many reasons believers distrust atheists. I’m around 40,000 words in! If you want to help me get it done, you can support me by donating here or becoming a patron here.

Image: Creative Commons/Pixabay

"Or the plasma-based lifeforms that live inside stars in Frederik Pohl's novel "The World at ..."

9 Things Evolution Is NOT
"The silicon-based "Horta" ;0) ! (ST:TOS)"

9 Things Evolution Is NOT
"But you totally butchered the point..."

9 Reasons I Probably Couldn’t Be ..."
"Even though your post was more or less you giving a spiel about things, you ..."

9 Reasons I Probably Couldn’t Be ..."

Browse Our Archives

Follow Us!

What Are Your Thoughts?leave a comment
  • Carstonio

    Odd – there used to be a fairly common belief that couples whose weddings weren’t solemnized “aren’t really married.” Both that belief, and the one dissected above, amount to the specific religion claiming the right to define marriage for the entire human race, essentially saying that even marriages solemnized by other religions aren’t valid.

  • Yeah, marriage has always been changing.

  • Jim Jones

    In France, all marriages are civil marriages. A church wedding has no validity in law. People get legaly married by the civil authority and have a church wedding for religious reasons only.

    Or so I’m told.

  • Time to ditch that “friend”.

  • persephone

    The RCC didn’t get into the marriage biz until the 9th century. Prior to that, marriage was the traditional agreement in front of witnesses and a party, usually, although local customs may vary.

    The believers base this on their god establishing marriage with Adam and Eve, yet there was no ceremony involved, and there was no choice of partner. Adam and Eve are often referenced by their pastors in marriage ceremonies.

  • Anri

    “Marriage has a spiritual element. You are not a spiritual person, so I have to assume, you are only doing this for him. You’re already legally common law, so why this extra step? I don’t get it.”

    “No, clearly you don’t. How sad for you.”

    Followed up with, “Fortunately, the only ones who need to ‘get it’ are myself and my spouse. You are free to not ‘get it’ just as hard as you like, so long as you keep your not getting it out of our lives,” if required.

    Trying to figure out what the critic friend is saying will reveal that what it boils down to is “I am better than you.” Guaranteed.

  • Lauren Greene

    Pagans defined and created marriage – not the xtians, nor the god they created, nor the bible they wrote. Native Americans and Pagans were performing marriages over 6,000 years ago…before the bible was conceived and before the Adam and Eve myth was created.

  • guerillasurgeon

    She might be unhappy with herself. But she might simply be a Christian who feels it is her duty to not mind her own dad blasted business about someone else’s spiritual welfare. There are a lot of them around.

  • “You can deduce from what Annie has said that she is, in some way, unhappy with herself.”

    I didn’t get that out of it, but I guess that’s just not the way my mind works. Depending upon her denomination, I figure she can’t figure out why, if you’re going to 69Hell anyway, you would bother “correcting” your living arrangement. Maybe that’s too cynical, but if marriage really were a religious ceremony, then it wouldn’t make sense for non-religious people. But it isn’t!

  • Jim Jones

    Jesus loves a sinner.

    So do I. ;P

  • Jim Jones

    Even into the 18th(?) century you could get married by saying you were in front of witnesses.

    And in Florida, if you said it in front of a notary it was a done deal. Maybe still is. Ted Bundy did this.

  • MadScientist1023

    Which is funny, because the idea of marriage as a Christian sacrament is only a few centuries old.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    Your brain-dead, intolerant nonsense is both distasteful and puerile.

    Try harder.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    You’re either an *incredible* Poe, or a waste of food and air.

  • Jim Jones

    The latter.