Bible Psychosis Syndrome: Know The Symptoms

Bible Psychosis Syndrome: Know The Symptoms April 10, 2019


Do you suffer from BPS [Bible Psychosis Syndrome]? It’s more common than you might realize. Here are some questions you can ask yourself to diagnose the symptoms:

*Do you find yourself easily confused by statements in the Bible that suggest that the Bible isn’t your authority?

*Do you often use the phrase “But you wouldn’t know that if it wasn’t in the Bible!“, especially in response to statements from the Bible that point to Christ [but not to the Bible]?

*Do you sometimes think that statements in the Bible are more significant than the ideas they communicate?

*Is your experience of God limited to the words you read about God in the Bible?

*Do you find it impossible to hear God’s voice without your Bible?

*Do you treasure the Bible more than you do the fellowship of the Holy Spirit?

*If you had a choice between your Bible or a direct connection with Christ, which would you choose? [If you said, “The Bible” then you should seek immediate help.]

*Do you know the difference between a Biblical truth and a Christlike truth?

*Which is more important to you: The truth communicated in the Bible, or the fact that the Bible contains the truth. [For example: If Jesus says [in the Bible] that all authority in Heaven and on Earth was given to Him, does that mean the Bible is your authority [because you read this in the Bible] or that Christ is your authority [because this is what Jesus says in the Bible].

*Ask yourself: If the Bible wasn’t Canonized until the Fourth Century, then how did Christians know God for the first 400 years of Church history?

*How would you react if someone said, “There is no life in the Bible!”

*What if that person was Jesus?

*What if that phrase was in the Bible?

*Does the fact that Jesus is recorded in the Bible as saying that there is no life in the Bible make your brain explode?

*When Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, it was because they refused to believe what they were experiencing in that moment [based on their understanding of what was written in the Scriptures]. Are you in danger of committing the unforgivable sin because you refuse to let go of what God was doing 2,000 years ago so you can see and experience what God wants to do in the world today?

If you have any trouble reconciling the differences between the Word of God [Jesus] and the Bible [the Book that we wrote about God], you may suffer from Bible Psychosis Syndrome. The only cure is to recognize that the Word of God was made flesh, dwelt among us, revealed the Father to us and now abides in everyone who abides in Christ.

Jesus is not bound in any book. Jesus is the living, active Word of God. To know Christ is to know the Father, and this knowing is an intimate encounter that conceives new life within you.

Listen to the voice of the Word of God. His still, small voice is speaking even now.

Can you hear it?

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  • cr johnson

    We are all based on a conception of importance, either our own importance, or the importance of someone else; Jesus tells us to go and teach based on the revelation of His importance. “All power is given unto Me.… Go ye therefore ….” Oswald Chambers

  • Armed Citizen

    wow – i’ve never seen a more misguided and completely false OP!
    such a false dichotomy pretending that knowing the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ aren’t so closely related.

    pure romanistic nonsense:
    1 – pretend the Bible is somehow ‘from’ this ‘church’ – then, when debunked by Scripture:
    2 – cast doubt in the Word of our Almighty Infinite Creator who has given us this Word of perfection.

  • KontraDiction

    I like this. I personally don’t place any particular trust in the Bible. No offense to anyone who does, I just view it as a product of human culture and history rather than divine and infallible. But I still very much admire and want to emulate the loving kindness of Jesus as described in the Bible.

    Flaws in the Bible DON’T mean the transcendent love it points to is also flawed. I feel badly for Christians who feel threatened by Biblical criticism, as if God exists only IN the Bible and criticizing one means criticizing the other. He’s got to be way bigger, deeper, mind-blowingly MORE than could fit in any book.

  • This is my shocked face that someone who calls themselves “Armed Citizen” in public takes a blinkered and simplistic view of how to read a text.

  • Armed Citizen

    Bible is very direct and easy to comprehend Jim –
    remember, Jesus spent His time with tax collectors, prostitutes and fishermen –
    if you believe that His writings would be decorated with things that the average man can’t comprehend then you’d be giving yourself over to the ‘translation’ of sin filled men who have no more authority than you nor i have.

    keep it simple Jim – our Creator and Saviour is trying to help you to see Truth.
    http://afacts.convio.net/site/DocServer/Insertfinal.pdf?docID=322&autologin=true

  • Sure is – so, how do you respond to Jesus saying that leaning on the Bible instead of grace is evil?

  • Armed Citizen

    which verse are you talking about Jim?

  • Armed Citizen

    Jim….
    your post seems to be implying that Jesus has a problem with His own Word – which is a false dichotomy – addressed yesterday up above.
    the other is the fact that i am in no way believing that ‘leaning on the Bible’ replaces grace. i read It and believe It.

    it’s not detrimental to know His Word – to the contrary, it’s a need for Christians and knowing His Word is what teaches about His grace and how we are to receive it and be saved.

    creating false dichotomies isn’t productive Sir.

  • Kate Johnson

    The biblical inerrancy contingent has turned the bible from an inspired book of wisdom, into an idol that is used to beat people over the head, deny science and justify a staggering lack of compassion and charity towards anyone who disagrees with them. This sad lack of love and humility tells me all I need to know about the legitimacy of their claims. If what they are saying is true, then why don’t these folks bear any resemblance to Christ at all? What they do look like is a tribalistic, self congratulatory social club, that wants the world to conform to it’s way of seeing things so they can be more comfortable living in it. Sacrificial love, unreasonable mercy and extravagant grace are rare commodities indeed. Basically they look and act just like everyone else, except more judgmental. If you can tell a tree by it’s fruit…..

  • Kate Johnson

    The bible you are talking about did not exist in the time of Christ, so he couldn’t possibly be referring to or canonizing any segment of the New Testament which did not exist until 400 years later. Any reference to scripture in the entire bible, is referring exclusively the Hebrew bible, not to one word of the New Testament.

  • Armed Citizen

    the OT did exist and the NT is just a continuation.
    the NT is in the OT – concealed.
    the OT is in the NT – revealed.

  • Rudy Schellekens

    The idea that there was no “Bible in existence till 400 AD” is historically incorrect. That it finally was a Council that decided what to put in that book and what to leave out is incorrect.
    The idea that we can know Christ without the Bible is, weel, also incorrect. Can we know ABOUT God? Yep – by looking at the world arounds is.
    The interesting thing is that Jesus knew and quoted Scripture.
    Paul encourages us to grow in knowledge (Not the knowing OF God, but the knowing ABOUT God).
    Luke commends the people in Berea, because they SEARCHED the Scriptures to see if these things were so…

    What is missing in this entire conversation and theory is the need for balance! It is as wrong to make the whole idea of imitating God an emotional, feeling issue. It is just as wrong to make it a total “head” issue. In order to truly know God and what He expects of us, we HAVE to hear what has been said (or, in this case, written).

    Too many people are out there, claiming to be a voice of God – and abuse the living daylight out of their followers.

    John gives some healthy advise, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world…” That was the case already in his days, and even more so today.

  • Rudy Schellekens

    I would love to see where He said that!

  • Armed Citizen

    thanks Rudy – i am headed out to enjoy the LORDs day tonight – yes, i do keep the 7th day Sabbath.

    i pray It is a blessing to you and yours as well and pray His will in your life – keep spreading Truth my Friend!!

    God willing i will be back online in a couple days =)

  • Kate Johnson

    Jesus didn’t write the bible.

  • Armed Citizen

    It was inspired by our Creator and all is ‘Jesus approved’

    headed out in just 1 minute to prep for Sabbath Ma’am – the LORDs day.
    i do pray It is a blessing for you and yours as well =)

    LORD willing, i will be back online soon.

  • Kate Johnson

    Yes, the only people Jesus seemed to really dislike, were the religious leaders of the time, who I believe he called “whited sepulchers”. The people who believed in their own righteousness and were arrogant and judgmental. Not much has changed since then.

  • Armed Citizen

    yes Ma’am – those who agree with what is written and believe obedience is a ‘bad word’ are really evil and ugly.

    headed out now – blessings!
    oh and ~ Happy Sabbath to Christians!

  • I realize it greatly complicates things for many (mainly the more traditional/orthodox) Christians, but it’s virtually “Word of God” malpractice to give special, clear authority to the canon we have, which was established no earlier than the end of the 4th century… And it not fully settled even then, and even among the “orthodox” or “true believers”, not just fringe “heretics” (who often switched places, based on power struggles). And these Church scholars (forming the canon) were, by then, part of the Empire-manipulated (not merely by Constantine) setting of orthodoxy, and the very sealing of a “canon” or “Word of God”. Scary as it is for many, and requiring some effort, at least a basic study of the process of canonization, the dating and often-unclear authorship of canonized books, etc., is vital to a robust and well-founded faith.

  • Kate Johnson

    Nice slogan, but that has no scriptural basis whatsoever. Jesus was NEVER talking about anything in the New Testament as IT DID NOT EXIST and you tacking on your slick little slogan does not at all change that FACT. Also, the Hebrew bible and the Old Testament are not actually the same. Do some research.

  • Kate Johnson

    So you’re admitting your a Pharisee. Good to know. It explains much about your comments.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Anyone who identifies him or herself as “Armed Citizen” has already shown the entire world and God too who he really is in his heart.

    Mind you, the “Bible” doesn’t save anyone, only the Blood of Christ does. Even illiterate people are welcomed into the Kingdom of God, via the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    “For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH, and that NOT of yourselves, it is the
    Gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” – Ephesians 2:8-9

  • Jon Laan

    After reading the Bible for over 50 years and, yes, finally getting more and more insights as I read more slowly and precisely and comparing parallel New Testament translations, I get food for thought, prayer, and even, I hope, how to live a Christian life, and tentatively embracing the Words of Jesus as having more weight than the rest of New Testament, and, of course, not only his words but his Actions. The rest of the New Testament is more commentary than ???

    The Bible Twisters more and more enrage me: “Ask and ye shall receive”. There has to be “rightly divided” study, miscreants: It should be understood by anyone with half a brain lobe that this statement, for example, was most probably understood in the context that God’s will should be done and that we should “ask rightly”.

    To take the “ask and receive” gang their idiocy to its extreme, I guess I can ask God to make me the best murderer possible, right?

    There are verses in the New Testament that say there is much more that is not in the Bible, that we “see through a glass darkly”, etc. Jesus expressed his love by acting, not spouting mere words as the “faith”, prosperity preachers screech their demands and try to take God’s authority by whining that Satan causes trouble and our sugar daddy God is not allowed to cause any trouble, i.e, He no longer disciplines us in any way He sees fit.

  • KingstonJack

    Trying to work out why the “Armed Citizen” keeps lying to us. He repeatedly says he’s “going out” to keep his “Sabbath” but then keeps posting, over a number of hours! Surely, if he tells us he’s “heading out” but doesn’t head out, then he’s lying to us? Can we trust this man? Can we take anything he says as true? Doesn’t this also mean that he’s lying to us about the bible?

  • R/R 2016

    You did read the article, right? Pathologizing theological disagreement doesn’t strike you as judgmental?

  • R/R 2016

    Lol! It’s a Disqus handle, dude.

  • Kate Johnson

    Pathologizing? How so?

  • R/R 2016

    You’re kidding.

  • Armed Citizen

    i have – His Word is consistent.
    probably not for one who doesn’t comprehend It though.

  • Armed Citizen

    so it’s better to remain Biblically illiterate (as you) then?

  • Armed Citizen

    so tell me friend – would Jesus’ church follow His Commandments or are they too ‘strenuous’ for self proclaimed Christians?

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘…he’s ‘going out’ to keep his ‘Sabbath’…’

    actually It’s His Sabbath, not mine – do you not comprehend the Bible? see Isaiah 58:13 – It is the LORDs day and forever will be.

  • Armed Citizen

    pitting a ‘church cannon’ vs the actual Word of our Creator and Redeemer would be a major downfall Sir.

    sorry – not flying for Bible Christianity.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    The only “self-proclaimed” fake-christians are those who have surrendered their soul to the
    obscene-orange-idol … TЯ卐m₽ >–> the Beast …like those who brag shamelessly about being an “armed citizen” instead of a follower of Christ.

  • Armed Citizen

    actually i am not from this word – and care nothing about who is in office.
    i use to follow politics – but no longer waste my time – as my time is devoted to Bible study and teaching.

  • Armed Citizen

    also – i don’t believe the Bible shows us that mr trump is a ‘beast’ as Daniel 7 plainly shows us that a beast is a government.

    stick with the Bible, Friend – then you’ll be doing yourself a favor.

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘stranger passing through’ ~ amen!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Then what the hell are you doing here discouraging genuine Christians with your false accusations?

    I obey Christ’s commandments with His help; and I have read the Scriptures from my youth up. Don’t need no sanctimonious “armed citizen” telling me, or anyone else, how to conduct their Christian walk with Christ.

  • Armed Citizen

    do you really refrain from bowing to idols ?
    do you really honor the LORDs day – Sabbath – which just ended ?

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘…discouraging genuine Christians….?’

    does a Christian {by it’s very name} imply that one imitates Christ?

  • Armed Citizen

    couple of things to think about:
    do you believe that Satan has a false ‘church’ (counterfeit)?
    would it not look like Truth?
    how do we discern Truth from error (what did Jesus use)?
    would we welcome all tests – as 1 Thess 5:21 says we should?
    do we run from all who question our comprehension of His Word?

    i am not here to ‘discourage’ you Friend – i am here for digging into Bible Truth and praying to show you enough to make you ready to stand for that Truth.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    I am fully aware that the Lord’s Sabbath Day is the 7th Day of the week and that today’s Sabbath ends in about 1 hour 40 minutes. I observe the Lord’s Sabbath Day too.

    But that doesn’t excuse you bragging about being an “armed citizen” … instead of glorying in the Cross of Christ; and obeying His commandment to: “Love your neighbor as yourself” … which is by far more important to your own soul than being a trigger-happy hypocrite.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    81% of today’s “Harlot of Babylon” fake-christian churches have revealed themselves by flocking over to the Dark Side and choosing TЯ卐m₽ >–> the Beast instead of trusting Christ.

    “Come out of her my people, lest ye partake in her sins and her plagues.” – Revelation 18:4

  • Armed Citizen

    Amen! – It has ended here.

    where did i brag of being an ‘armed citizen’ – that is just like me saying that youre overly focused on being an Ocelot Aardvark.

    ‘…trigger-happy hypocrite.’

    where is this empty accusation coming from?
    is this bringing ‘glory to God’ – by falsely accusing me of shooting someone?

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Your user-name is a “brag” of who and how you identify yourself.

  • Armed Citizen

    i really have no idea what that statement was supposed to mean.
    in all honest – i didn’t and wouldn’t vote.
    on one hand we have trump – on the other the biggest supporter of murdering innocent babies (killery clinton) – so let’s not even go there buddy – again, as this isn’t my background any longer.

    now – let’s talk about that Scripture you’re talking about!
    do you have any idea what the ‘her sins and her plagues’ is talking about – based upon Scripture?

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    So okay, you didn’t vote. Great. But might I ask what you’re “armed” with, citizen?

  • Armed Citizen

    one of your quick to point errors is that you link me and my beliefs with my handle – it’s just that – only a handle.

    i am a Christian. a deacon. a husband. a dad. a veteran. a Sabbath school teacher. and i love and enjoy spreading the 3 angels message of our Saviour.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    And who is the “head” of the Government? Read Revelation 13 for a more in depth description of who the Beast is … you’ll find an accurate portrait of TЯ卐m₽.

  • Armed Citizen

    does it really matter?
    if i say a weapon – which would be very smart – because if we outlaw or take away all guns – only the outlaws would own guns.
    not real smart on our part.

    if i say i am ‘armed’ with knowledge – which i am here to share –
    does that make you feel safer?
    knowing that a criminal may be outside raping or stealing but a Christian spreading Bible Truth would be without a defense in that presence of such a criminal.

    wrong focus my Friend.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Yet, you have not answered the big question: What are you “armed” with?

    So you’re spreading the “3 Angels” message … which identifies you as a Seventh-day Adventist. I left that church when many of the members chose the Dark Side instead of Christ.

    Yes, I was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church for 10 years. During that time, I have heard references to “Hitler having some good ideas”

    Some Adventists listen to hate-talk-shows, hatred for Brown people, especially Mexican people, and reich-wing propaganda brochures left in the foyer. Not very Christ-like, in my understanding of the Gospel.

    By the way, observing the Sabbath, while hating your neighbor won’t win you any brownie points with God.

  • Armed Citizen

    i teach Revelation 13 =)
    have studied it for many years and have sat through dozens of dozens of sermons on that as well.

    the first beast is the papacy. the 2nd beast is america.

  • Armed Citizen

    i’ve got 3 AK-47’s.
    i have a glock and a ruger – both 9 mm (one for each hand)
    i have a few rifles.
    i use to have a hand grenade.

    is this what ya wanna hear?
    does this pretend answer in some way defeat my knowledge of what i teach in the Bible?
    does it offend you?

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Yes, it offends me. No one who is so prepared to murder other human beings is a true Christian.

  • Armed Citizen

    naaa – i am not prepared to murder. but to defend, yes.
    are you aware of what the false impression of ‘gun control’ has done to societies throughout the centuries?

    have you ever studied what happens to nations when they do surrender all of their arms?

    have you studied the safest nation on earth – the most armed one – switzerland?

    you need to be rounded in all of your debate points.
    i can argue both sides of most issues – but believe firmly on what i believe because i have studied both from such a dedicated point of view.

    do you really not believe that the biggest crooks, murders and demons aren’t in our government – just wishing for all to be unarmed and undefended?

  • Armed Citizen

    i am very impressed you know which day the LORDs day is!
    most on these pages have a very superficial knowledge of what the Bible teaches on this subject.

    It’s my families most precious time!
    church, rest, family, helping others, visiting elderly, help in kitchens feeding homeless, etc.
    beautiful Day!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    No one who is just “prepared for defense” needs 3 AK-47’s and several Glocks/Rugers, besides other weapons. It’s like you want to desecrate an entire city block … in direct opposition to Christ’s teachings and commandments.

    Hit the road, hypocrite TOAD!

  • Armed Citizen

    your close mindedness keeps you in bondage.
    in total honesty i haven’t owned a weapon in years.
    my wife had a license to carry – but no longer does.

    but sadly , if this is a pre-requisite for communication with you – the hypocrite has been identified.

  • Armed Citizen

    most beautiful post.
    i had time today – after the beautiful Sabbath – to read slowly and think on it – very well written!

    praying the LORDs day was a blessing for you and yours as it was for our family =)

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Yes, and the hypocrite is you. Clamoring about others not obeying Christ’s commandments, while you, yourself, flaunt your murderous intent.

    Sanctimonious hypocrites like you are why I left the Adventist church.

  • Armed Citizen

    very thoughtful and well written post Jon!
    i totally agree with it too – the Bible is a wonderful study for our entire lifetime!
    blessings Friend!

  • Armed Citizen

    did the armies of Israel not fight with weapons?
    was Uriah not a warrior with respect?

    yet – those who haven’t shot to kill (myself and other Christians who do have guns) are branded ugly words by you because you choose not to defend yourself against one who would have your family ready to be raped and murdered – why?
    because you’re ‘more respectful’ being without a gun?

    if this is your biggest problem – you’re on the wrong page.
    God’s people have defended themselves throughout history and always will.
    sorry to disappoint you – but i am Texan – and there ain’t no way these good ole boys every gonna take away them guns.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    We’re not talking “armies of Israel” here. Just you pulling excuses out of your αss for possessing so many overkill-military-grade weapons. How many people are you planning to shoot?

    Maybe you’d enjoy going to the southern border and shoot some bedraggled women and children. Prove to everyone what a brave guy and loving Christian you are, eh TOAD?

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘How many people are you planning to shoot?’

    you have mental issues.

    well, Sabbath is finished – none online desiring discussions about our Loving Creator – and now it’s time for me and my beautiful family to shine our pistols, reload the clips, oil the bores=)

    have a great night my paranoid friend!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Our Loving Creator did not carry deadly weapons while He walked the earth. Christ said,
    “I have come to save lives, not destroy them.” – Luke 9:56

  • I’m not sure if you’re indicating an indifference to the history of how “the actual Word of our Creator and Redeemer” came to be determined (what’s included and what not, or how any particular writing was ever considered “the actual Word”). But I think you’d find some reading, getting as close to original sources as you can, would be instructive and maybe STRENGTHEN your faith in the long run (while challenging it, perhaps, along the way)

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    AMEN!!!

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    As most of what Trump spouts is not only anathama to Jesus, but the entire Bible as well, your response is dubious.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Dear God in Heaven! Your judgements seem especially blasphemous.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    WOW! Your judgement is outting you!

  • Armed Citizen

    just logging on now.
    what’s up?
    what are you talking about?

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Yes! Too many like to quote a verse out if context, etc., most not even understanding that the division into verses was not done until even later. Those who haven’t given at least some serious research into the history and more are only getting part of the necessary information.

  • Armed Citizen

    oh history and Bible both prove what this evil system is.
    this is Truth.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Shouldn’t your defense include surface-to-air missles, even land mines, what about even more? If you are going to defend yourself against a huge government…?!

  • Armed Citizen

    oh i’ve read those ‘sources’ you are implying. but the Bible is clear enough for Christians.

    tell me Howard – do you see another system which matches the Bible’s description for the end days harlot – as closely as does the ‘church’ of rome?
    do you realize how adequate the Bible really is for Christians?
    your posts seems to indicate the opposite.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Just to clarify, there was a definite article before history.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Why is my just logging on relevant?

  • Armed Citizen

    do you have the capacity to dig into Scripture and rightly divide the Word of Truth, Ma’am?

  • Armed Citizen

    my apologies, i was just coming online and seen your post along with others.
    i was just letting you know that i am here now.

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘Your judgements seem especially blasphemous.’

    do you know how Scripture defines ‘blasphemy’, Ma’am?

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    It is blasphemous to be abusive to the entire Catholic Church!

  • Armed Citizen

    that raises another question – since you didn’t address (correctly) the first.
    would Gods church keep His Commandments?

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    I apologise for jumping on that statement.

  • Armed Citizen

    =)

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    We all have the God-given capacity to learn more about the context of the Word.

  • Armed Citizen

    Amen!
    however, when discerning His church from a counterfeit – i believe that there are basics which are priority – does this make sense?

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    The Catholic Church is ONE of God’s churches. What commandments does the entire population of Catholics not keep?

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Such as?

  • Armed Citizen

    first i’d like to get the importance of keeping Them across.
    i believe that Rev 12:17 and Rev 14:12 make it very obvious that His church keeps Them.

    but Jesus’ Words in Matt 5:19 are also very indicative of this as well – is that how you read it?

  • Armed Citizen

    Rev 12:17 ~ ‘….the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.’

    Rev 14:12 ~ ‘Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.’

    Matt 5:19 ~ ‘Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ‘

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Sorry, but Jesus’ words… Again, what commandment?
    As to the abominable (sorry) association of that church with various and sundry figures in Revelation, as a Christian, I have always found that tripe (sorry) offensive.

  • Armed Citizen

    ‘Again, what commandment?’

    while Command 2 says to refrain from bowing, but even making images for worship – but this ‘church’ does just the opposite.

    and as to the teaching/keeping of the Holy Command – do you realize that it’s taught against by this ‘church’ – the Holy Sabbath Command?

  • Armed Citizen

    **to refrain

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Sorry, I have to disagree. Also, with all due respect, you seem to be a tad patronizing. I hope I am wrong.

  • Armed Citizen

    Ma’am?

  • Armed Citizen

    actually what i am trying to do is make Bible teaching very clear.
    it’s a very important matter to all of Christianity and i just feel like some things in the Bible are very easy to explain and shouldn’t be overlooked or ignored – especially when we are talking about matters of extreme importance – such as this.

    this is a big reason that i opened by asking you to recognize the extreme importance for us – as Christians – to regards His teachings and His Commandments as not being subjective and unimportant.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    My phone is a dinosaur and keeps not posting my comments. Sorry.
    I disagree. Also, most churches have doctrine/dogma that could be criticized if one wishes. I believe in looking at the “fruits” of the church and it’s members.

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    What did I not address correctly?

  • Armed Citizen

    LOL – i still have a flip phone!
    =)

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    I am not disagreeing, I simply do not see a dogma of that church as against any commandment. As to the “graven image”, they are certainly not alone there and no person who is Catholic that I know worships any image.

  • Armed Citizen

    well, the Bible states very directly that blasphemy is defined in 2 ways:
    1 – when man pretends to be God – or puts itself in His position.
    2 – when man pretends to have authority to forgive sin of another which isn’t done against him.

    these are the Bible definitions of blasphemy – John 10:33, Luke 5:21 and Mark 2:7

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    My dad traded in his iPhone for his old flip one. Lolol

  • Armed Citizen

    bowing – according to the Bible (Rev 19:10 and Exodus 20:5) is worship.
    other examples in Dan 3 and Esther prove this as well.

    now a system which teaches against the Holy Command – the 4th – the One with the seal of our Creator in It – is really doing Christianity a horrible injustice.

  • Armed Citizen

    i went looking for one on amazon – i found one similar to mine and the name of it – seriously – look it up
    old man phone

    smh =(

    my wife and daughter laugh at it every day.
    but i do love the simplicity.
    heck, my car has 249,000 miles on it!!
    but praise God it still works and is (usually) reliable =D

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    LOLOL

  • Jesusisdemocrat

    Have to disagree.
    Must go. I don’t agree with a lot you state, but I have enjoyed the discussion and, contrary to my first impressions, gained respect for you. God bless.

  • Armed Citizen

    i enjoy talking with you Ma’am.

    one thing that is my mission is to alert all to Truth pertaining to the clarity of the Bible.
    i was a catholic for 35 yrs and now teach the Bible in a Christian church.
    i believe there are many Christians in catholicism, but that it isn’t a Christian organization.
    i believe the Bible is clear about that too.

    but in the end, i do pray His will for you and yours my Friend.
    if you’d ever like to discuss what i have found to be excessively obvious pertaining to this and/or other Bible topics – i always invite discussion and encourage it as well.

    hope your day is blessed Ma’am =)

  • Armed Citizen

    you as well Friend =)
    have a blessed and beautiful week!

  • KontraDiction

    YES!! Eloquently put!

  • soter phile

    Ah, Keith. The litany of false dichotomies continue.
    No one affirmed the Written Word more than the Living Word himself.

    If you claim to follow Jesus, why not share his high view of the authority of Scripture?
    Yes, that’s ‘biblical psychosis.’ Physician, heal thyself. Ironies abound.

  • Jonathan H. Pienaar

    The problem is, that “still, small voice” seems to say different things to different people. If it’s not based on something tangible then it’s just your own voice telling you what you want to hear. Which partly accounts for the myriad of sects in Christendom; the other factor is the huge discrepancies that exist between different books, from Leviticus to Revelations to the Gospels. There is no consistency. So any self-appointed preacher can cherry pick (yes, I used that term) whatever they want from the “word of God” and build a nice profit center for themselves. Heck, 10% from 100 people makes me 10 times richer than the average of my flock — sounds like a good scheme (especially if you can fill a stadium). “Hollow brass or sounding bell” comes to mind.

  • Jane Ravenswood

    well, being that the only way Christians know about their religion is the bible, one would think they would believe that it is important and to be believed. It seems that this is an argument to ignore the bible when convenient, like many Christians do already. Each Christian has their own version of the bible, which parts they claim have to be literally true, which parts to claim are only metaphor and don’t “really” mean what they state, and which parts to ignore completely.

    Many Christians are uncomfortable with a Jesus Christ who believes that *all* of his father’s laws are to be followed since they would be crimes under happily secular law. They also don’t like a god that allows a family to be murdered so it can show off to its enemy, a god that controls the minds of people, a god that says that some people will be damned so it can show off (Romans9) and a god that murders all non-Christians and then works with its enemy to corrupt the Christians who are left, per Revelation.

    Each group of Christians who are sure that the other Christians aren’t Christians at all, look as much like a “tribalistic, self congratulatory social club” as Ms Johnson said about the Christians she doesn’t agree with.

  • Sundialer

    In the end all Keith Giles has is his own preferences, his own subjective experience of what he feels is his personal link to Jesus and backed by
    nothing more than an appeal to his own authority. What makes his opinion any different from the 327 million other opinions in America held by people who have more or less idolized the heart and the intentions of the self above all else? In a world where truth claims are relative and you are your own final authority, it is meaningless to assert that the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, by the Holy Spirit, are the unique and authoritative witness to Jesus Christ to the universal church and to each believer. In a world where modern Christians, at least in the West, are not really interested in Scriptural reproof and correction, it isn’t really surprising that they have supplanted the Bible as the only rule of faith and obedience with the culture’s standard of defining your own standard…personal and individual. The only authority is your own ”still small voice.” It is the voice of God because the self and no other has become God.

    If the conviction that God has specifically chosen to reveal himself through the Bible is no longer believed, what then is the starting
    point? The age old heresy that there is another starting point for the community of God plays out its tragic consequences in Genesis 3.

  • fractal

    Many Fundamentalists are afraid of having a mystical experience, because they have no way of knowing (so they say) whether the experience is from God or Satan.
    So,
    They tend to shy away from their “untrustworthy” inner voice and only “believe” what they can read in their particular holy book as taught by their regional holy man.

    This is how religion becomes the highest politics.
    It is a great evil to teach someone to disregard that small still voice within, or to walk away from an experience of Grace, because it doesn’t come with a gift card.