Exposing The False Gospel Of Evangelicalism

Exposing The False Gospel Of Evangelicalism March 26, 2020


For most of my life I was told a lie about the Gospel of Jesus. It was only a few years ago that I heard the actual Gospel message of Jesus, and everything has changed since then.

See, I was raised Southern Baptist. I was even licensed and ordained as a Minister of the Gospel and served in numerous Christian churches as a pastor at various levels. During that time I only knew the False Evangelical Gospel which went something like this: “If you don’t want to burn in hell forever, repeat this prayer and believe that Jesus died on the cross for sins, rose from the dead and is coming back to destroy sinners and rescue the Christians.”

This is not the Gospel that Jesus preached.

It’s not the Gospel found in the New Testament scriptures.

The sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Bible.

Jesus never once communicated the Gospel like this.

Here’s how you know that someone believes the false Gospel of Evangelicalism: They turn to 1 Corinthians to find out what the Gospel is.

See, the true Gospel is found in one of those four little books at the start of the New Testament. They’re even called “The Gospels”, so it’s not hard to find.

We might also want to start with Jesus if we really want to know what the “Good News” [Gospel] is all about, don’t you think?

So, let’s try to clear the fog around this topic and uncover the truth about the Gospel that Jesus came and died to bring to us, shall we?

Ok, the “Good News” or “Gospel” that Jesus proclaims [once again, found in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke primarily] is this: “Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand.” [Matt. 4:17]

Jesus starts his ministry off by declaring exactly what the Gospel is. He then launches into his most famous [but least studied] Sermon on the Mount where he shows us what life in this Kingdom of God looks like, and then he wraps up this sermon by asking us, “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’, if you don’t do what I say?”

See, simply put, the Good News of the Kingdom is that we can experience the rule and reign of God in our lives today. We don’t need to wait until after we’re dead. We can experience the indwelling presence of God within us right now. We can live in the realm where God is King and Jesus is Lord in each and every moment.

This is why Jesus starts off by saying, “Repent!” which does NOT mean “Feel sorry for your sins.” The Greek word “Metanoia” is literally translated as “Think Different!”, and the reason why Jesus felt it necessary to declare this to his Jewish audience was because they all believed that God’s Kingdom was “out there” somewhere, coming soon, but far away and only if/when the Jewish people once more ruled themselves politically.

Jesus steps forward and says, “Reconsider this: The Kingdom of God is here today!” So, rather than wait for something to happen first, everyone could enter the reality of God’s Kingdom immediately. That was a huge paradigm shift for his listeners.

Jesus also wanted to emphasize that this Kingdom of God was not only accessible here and now, but that it was also wide open to everyone – yes, even to those Gentiles and Pagans and even the Samaritans – which was one of the messages that his people resisted most vigorously and why they first wanted to kill him. [See Luke 4: 16-30]

Here’s where the False Gospel of Evangelical Christianity has everything twisted: They place Paul [not Jesus] in the center of their theology. They allow Paul’s statements in 1 Cor. 15:1-7 to redefine the Gospel message. They ignore the Sermon on the Mount. They obscure the actual Gospel that Jesus preached and replace it with a Gospel that emphasizes our sinfulness, our need to be saved from our sins, and our separation from God.

For the record, Paul the Apostle never taught any of this.

The False Gospel of Evangelical Christianity has invented a version of that they prefer and replaced the actual Gospel of the Kingdom which both Jesus and Paul preached exclusively.

That’s right. Paul also preached the very same Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus preached.

Need proof? Here ya go.

Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, as we see here:

“I [Paul] have gone [among you] preaching the kingdom of God” – Acts 20:25

“We must go through many tribulations to enter the kingdom of God.” [says Paul] – Acts 14:22

 “For the kingdom of God is…righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” – Romans 14:17

“For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.” – 1 Cor. 4:20

“Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.” – Acts 19:8

“He [Paul] witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.” – Acts 28:23

“He [Paul] proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!” – Acts 28:31

“Now I [Paul] know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again.” – Acts 29:25

 That’s eight verses from the New Testament that affirm the idea that Paul preached the Good News/Gospel of the Kingdom.
For that matter, Philip and the other Apostles also taught the Good News of the Kingdom [because there was no other Gospel to teach], as we see demonstrated here:

“But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” – Acts 8:12 

[See also: Heb. 1:8; 11:33; 12:28; James 2:5; 2 Peter 1:11; Rev. 1:6; 1:9; 5:10; 11:15; 12:10]

So, what about that passage in 1 Cor. 15:1-7 where it seems like Paul describes ANOTHER Gospel?

Well, let’s take a look at what Paul actually says:

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles…”

Notice that the first 2 verses affirm that Paul preached the Gospel to them. But, based on what we can see in those other 8 references above, the contents of Paul’s Gospel was exactly the same as the Gospel preached by Jesus – The Good News of the Kingdom of God.

After that, Paul starts to get more specific about the message of the resurrection of Christ. But he does not intend to say that this – and only this – is the Gospel.

How do we know this? Because we have at least 8 other examples where Paul affirms what he preached: The Good News of the Kingdom of God.

Not only that, whenever we read Paul’s statements like “…if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” [Rom. 10:9], the phrase “Jesus is Lord” is a Kingdom-oriented statement. Because no one can say “Jesus is Lord” and expect to be saved if it’s not true that Jesus is their actual Lord. [Remember: “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ if you don’t do what I say?” statement  from Jesus].

In other words, confessing that Jesus is Lord is not a magic phrase like “open sesame” that gets you into heaven. What Paul means is that we need to actually surrender ourselves to follow Jesus in our daily life – which is what living in the Kingdom of God is all about.

So, I’m not one to call people heretics or false teachers. In fact, I’ve been called both of these [and worse] so often that I started a podcast called the Heretic Happy Hour to poke fun at the practice and try to tone down that sort of thing as much as possible.

However, I’m starting to get a bit angry at the religious system that twists the words of Jesus, diminishes the Gospel he preached, distorts the teaching of Paul, and propagates a false version of the Gospel that uses fear to manipulate people and prevent them from hearing what Jesus actually said.

That sort of chaps my hide, if I’m honest.

Please forgive me for saying so, but the Gospel of Evangelical Christianity is not the Gospel. It’s a false Gospel. It’s a manufactured disinformation campaign that – so far – has largely succeeded in blinding Christians to the words of Christ and deceives them about the actual Gospel that Jesus preached.

Help me to expose this false doctrine. Spread the word. The Gospel of Evangelical Christianity is not the Gospel of Jesus. It’s not even the Gospel of Paul. It’s a massive disinformation campaign aimed at distracted people from the message of Jesus. So far, Christians have swallowed it whole. It’s time to wake them up.

Think Different! The Kingdom of God is wide open! We can live in the unfiltered presence of God right now! We’re not waiting for it to come “some day”, because it’s here today. All we have to do is follow Jesus and he will show us how to live this Kingdom kind of life here and now: Loving others, serving everyone, forgiving freely, sharing with our neighbors, blessing those who curse us, and being the incarnation of Christ in the world today.

That’s the Good News of the Kingdom! That’s the message even Christians today have never heard.

How many people can you tell today?


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  • Herm

    I cried, thank you Keith!

  • cr johnson

    You are a little off Keith but close enough to agree with me. Jesus came to tell those with ears to hear “you don’t have to live like that anymore” a new King has taken the throne! He offers us all freedom from the fear of death as proclaimed in Hebrews 2:14-15. The keys of freedom have been taken by Jesus, its time to recognize the chains are off and to live freed from the power of sin. Read Richard Beck’s The Slavery of Death and you won’t live in fear of the simplest life-form that for sure can bring you to room temperature but most likely you will die of something else.

  • James Elliott

    For Palm Sunday, i’m planning to preach on “Are You Also Offended” because so many are offended by the Jesus described in the Gospels. To be sure, it isn’t just Evangelicals. There are any number of “progressives” who would also be offended because Jesus might challenge their preconceived notions also. The Kingdom and learning to think differently is what it is all about.

  • Herm

    Who of this world wouldn’t be embarrassed by their soon to be crowned King of the kingdom riding into town on a donkey? … yet many knew enough to be humbly seen laying the palm branches in his path out of royal respect for the Christ.

    Now, how do citizens of the kingdom know for certain what he, with all authority in heaven and on earth for the last 1,985 years, does to coordinate and serve them? The greatest among us will be our servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. How do we know the words of our Lord apropos to each of us every moment today?

    … not possible by way of testimony from 1,950 years ago. My King lives and is actively ruling the kingdom of God. How do I know so certainly???

  • Iain Lovejoy

    I agree absolutely that the evangelical “good news” is neither good, nor the news Jesus came to impart.
    I also agree that part of the good news is that the kingdom / reign of God is accessible to all now, but the article perhaps unintentionally gives the impression that is the whole of the good news, and perhaps it is worth adding that there is another part of it.
    The other, perhaps greater, piece of good news, which is all over the gospels and NT as a whole, and which evangelicals largely ignore, is that, one day, the Kingdom of God will encompass the whole world and everyone, and that everyone will enter into the Kingdom of God. This is where the resurrection comes in, in that we are promised even those who have died will live to see it; this is what Paul is on about in the 1 Corinthians 15 passage mentioned above, in that it is the life, death and above all resurrection of Jesus that has brought this about; and this is what the second coming is all about – not for the destruction of the world but to bring the final culmination of God’s reign, when Christ will be all in all and “the dwelling place of God is with men, and he will live with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain.”
    That to my mind is the complete good news.

  • Eeyore

    Agreed. We cannot blithely disconnect what Christ did (I Cor 15) from what He commanded (the Gospels). To do so is to make the same error evangelicals made, from the opposite extreme.

  • Joyce Ewing

    This is something that completely hung me up when I first heard “the gospel” in high school in the ’70’s. Back then it was the 4 Spiritual Laws which fit your description. I went to Young Life meetings, said The Prayer, and felt nothing. I pretty rapidly came to the conclusion that it’s by faith. I believed I’d been through The Process, so it had to work. The flesh wants a formula and the 4 Spiritual Laws were just that.

    Later I came to the conclusion that it was, technically, the word “believe” that hung me up. It was when I got an Amplified Bible quite a few years later that I started seeing it- “believe” means to trust in, adhere to and rely on, not just intellectually agree with. And now that I’ve been going through the deconstruction process in recent years, I’m seeing the rest of it. The Kingdom of God is within us! Light is shining into the darkness, and I’ve been praying that the Light will shine into others’ hearts that have also been deceived by this. Thank you for shining that Light!

  • cr johnson

    You my friend are a fool-in concert with Paul, “for the Messiah’s sake we are fools, but united with the Messiah you are wise”! ( 1Cor 4) Paul lived out this foolishness to his death and counted it as joyous. Perhaps you are bold enough to rename your place of gathering as the Church of Fools! Your’s would be the first. Share a link so we can listen.

  • James Vivian

    I don’t know where that evangelical formula comes from exactly. Probably taking individual verses and building a program out of it. It almost seems to imply that all you need to do is get your thinking, your beliefs right, and all is well. But then James tells us that even the demons believe and tremble.
    No demands on you other than that. But actually following Christ, to which all are invited, involves taking up the cross, the sacrifice of self interest etc. Few of us indeed are willing or able to follow him completely in the way he asks to our loss. . . . My only challenge to what u said is to suggest that while overly simplistic and impoverished, I wouldn’t say that you call the evangelical gospel is false. Incomplete certainly. But i imagine there are those exposed to that gospel who actually do go beyond merely reciting a formula and meet the Lord of life. I hope so.

  • James Elliott

    I don’t call the shots on the church’s name, but think that would be at least eye catching. I’ve been speaking pragmatically to the church board that seriously following what Jesus will be different than the same old / same old…and if they are going to grow they will have to stand out. Some are truly afraid of following Christ. Some things don’t change with the passing of time.

  • R/R 2016

    I like that. The qualities of Jesus’ Lordship should challenge all our expectations for how power “should” behave.

  • R/R 2016

    “It’s a massive disinformation campaign aimed at distracted [sic] people from the message of Jesus.”

    I fail to read the message of Jesus in these kinds of accusations.

  • Herm

    Luke 17:1-3 (NIV2011)
    Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come.
    It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
    So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them.

  • R/R 2016

    Then I rebuke you, Herm, for sowing discord amongst members of the Body of Christ.

    “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned” (Titus 3:10-11).

  • Herm

    John 14:17 (NIV2011)
    the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

    You’re there and growing, now, give him a name!

    John 1:9 (NIV2011)
    The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.

    … The true light is here and truly in you!

  • Herm

    … as did Christ sow discord among the authoritative body of Israel, who, also, did not know God enough to know the Son of God before them. I don’t know of a greater rebuke that mankind can administer than to put a child of God on her/his cross, thank you!

  • R/R 2016

    See? You sow division and see it as your little self-made Holy War. You’re too self-righteous to receive a rebuke. God humbles the proud, Herm.

    Comparing your internet squabbles to Christ and Israel. Wow. How self-righteous can one get.

  • Herm

    R/R, you do not know of what you speak, period!

    Matthew 10:34-36 (NIV2011)
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    For I have come to turn “ ‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
    a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

  • R/R 2016

    See my previous post. You’ve launched into a petty little holy war and are twisting scripture to reinforce your quiet aggressions. I’ve already rebuked you once. The rest is up to you.

    Or you can just keep typing. I’m sure that will help your case.

  • Herm

    R/R, the “thank you” I gave to you was sincere, your rebuke I accept. The body of Christ I live with and in has no discord. Almost sorry to make fun of it, but I am only a child after all, but are you a member “of the Boddddy of Christ” that you accuse me of sowing discord among?

  • R/R 2016

    Almost sorry? Sneer quotes for a typo? Sounds like your holy war requires more than a thank you, Herm. It’s taken over you, and fixing it requires more than anything I can give you.

    Repent. Change your thinking. Like Keith wrote.

  • Herm

    Just for your edification, I have not “twisted” any scripture. If I thought that you would actually read it I would have referred you to the entire message, in context, or printed the whole scripture out right here for you to read.

    Jesus, of whom as a child sibling I emulate to the best of my ability like a “little Christ” trying to be “Christlike” (the true meaning of “Christian), is constantly at war with usurpers of his name, title, and authority. It is they who are still the “anyone through whom they come” to “cause one of these little ones to stumble”.

    Yup, there are two weapons we each carry in our holy war against those power players who feed off of other’s ignorance, for their personal earthly profit, the sword from our mouth and our cross. Yup, God’s love has taken me over, and from that I shall never be remorseful.

    If what you write in response, is the message you received from Keith’s writing, I would suggest you reread Keith’s article.

    The body of Christ is not made up of mankind sprinkled, immersed, ordained or declaring allegiance to a savior named Jesus, titled Christ and Messiah. All members of Christ’s body are in Christ and Christ in them on earth and in heaven as children of God born in the Spirit.

    Who makes up your body of Christ, founded on what authority? Is such authority any more valid than that of the Sadducee high priest Caiaphas or the Pharisee Saul that defended Judaism to the demise of many, many children of God from this earth?

  • R/R 2016

    LOL! My edification. You just keep making my point, Herm. You know, for my edification.

  • Herm

    It does not go unnoticed how quickly your credentials and authority has vanished. There is no other than point to than God is real, or not, living, or not, influential, or not. The God you speak of, you know no further than what church authorities tell you. The God I speak of I know in me and I in Them. I would at least think you would see this possibility as an improvement for you morally, intellectually and spiritually (edification). The truth only sets you free when the truth comes from the source.

  • My colleague (postgraduate degree in theology and philosophy) and I (postgraduate degree in medical science) just finished a three-part podcast series on Evangelicalism. The first episode looked specifically at the historical roots of the Gospel (the one that Jesus preached), and the third one looked at the four main faults underlying Evangelicalism. We’d love to hear what you and your readers think … leave a comment. https://bit.ly/2Wa3Qes

  • My colleague (postgrad degree in theology and philosophy) and I (postgrad degree in science) just finished a 3 part podcast series focusing on Evangelicalism. The first episode looked at the historical roots of the Gospel that Jesus preached and how we’ve deviated from that today (https://bit.ly/2Wa3QeS), and the third one looked at the four main faults of Evangelicalism (https://bit.ly/3dyxP6c). Leave a comment!

  • Sin_Boldly

    Not sure I would throw evangelicalism out with the bath water. Certainly, I agree with most of what the writer says, but evangelicalism is more complex subject and its practitioners over the years should not be lumped all together in a rather small and confined group. We should remember that the evangelicals of today (mostly) are not the same evangelicals of the 18th and 19th century America, not to say the earlier evangelicals did not have their warts. The earlier evangelicals believed in the perfectibility of man and so preached the same. That is why at the heart of every early American social justice movement one would find evangelicals. Whether it was support of Jefferson’s and Madison’s idea of the separation of church and state, the abolition of slavery, rights of workers and women and the temperance movement (to name a few), evangelicals could be found. Emergent Christianity of recent years is on the cutting edge of refocusing the faith upon just what Jesus preached (red letter Christians) and who he was (a Jew). And it seems to me that evangelicals fill the ranks of the emergent and progressive Christianity of today. One doesn’t have to level the past completely to effect profound change and a new trajectory. New (or re-nwed) faith can be practiced in old and beautiful churches.

  • Newton Finn

    Oh yes, but let us never forget all the other living things bound up with us in creation, who in their own ways groan with us and await, in God’s infinite mercy, transfiguration and eternal redemption from suffering. The lion shall lie down with the lamb.


  • Al Cruise

    I agree, you are sharing the truth. Religious fundamentalism is a form of small-scale steppe mentality, therefore it would be impossible for him to even consider your discussion as something other than an adversary to defeat. Change of heart in these individuals only comes when the tribe itself implodes upon itself through self inflected wounds.

  • Herm

    Thank you Al! Public support from my peers in love is always most greatly valued and appreciated. The “fundamental”ist social law of all time, that all of God know to adhere to, is summed up in Matthew 7:12. On that single rock of foundation life eternal stands to be shared and savored together, for all who truly love their neighbor as they are forever learning to love themselves even more from peer appreciation. On this earth you are my neighbor and so is R/R. R/R can understand, by his “fundamental”ist foundation of self-protective upbringing, why we might love each other as we love ourselves, because we agree. What R/R can’t understand standing on that same foundation is that I do to him no less than I would have him do to me, as I love myself, because he has been taught that his opposing neighbors are to be defeated and cast into forever torture, not loved. His holy war is destructive, Jesus’ is uplifting for all who will listen. The concept of carrying each our own cross, as Jesus spoke of before mounting his first (as he would have had others do for him), for all our neighbors, merciful or threatening alike, is lost on those of us who only know punishment and destruction as their as their solution to opposing perspectives, not the constructive love of self, neighbor, the world, heaven, Man, and God.

    In church speak, “I am speaking to the choir”. In 1 John 4:6 speak we are hearing each other because we share the Spirit of truth, even with all our opposing views who might listen, merciful and threatening alike. You are merciful and supporting, thank you!

  • hrk58

    Thank you for a grounding piece for all of us to consider.

  • R/R 2016

    Please explain to me my “fundamentalist foundation”. Since you seem to have me figured out.

  • R/R 2016

    More bored than edified. I keep reading over and over loosely religious speech you use to deify your position in a fruitless online argument. It’s actually kinda disturbing.

  • Herm

    You can’t serve two masters, so by whose teaching and authority do you judge others according to?

    I truly hope you can answer that for yourself, unless you’ve been thoroughly convinced by your trusted theologians and/or religious organizational dogma, that Jesus, the Christ, once lived, died for your sins, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and will return someday to restore his kingdom on this physical earth … but in the meantime, until that day, riding in on the clouds, he is not immediately available to you today, as your one and only Instructor. Are you trapped in that “form of small-scale steppe mentality”?

  • R/R 2016

    Don’t deflect now, Herm. You mentioned my fundamentalist foundation and self-protective upbringing. Tell me what that is. I’d like to know.

  • Herm

    For those of us who live with and in Jesus, and Jesus with and in us, without end or pause, it is your allegiances, that you so blindly go to war to defend, on the word of your particular church’s study of God and resulting dogma, that is disturbing to us. You don’t care to go directly to the God you hail as all mighty. You attack those who do, or to appease your doubt, those who claim to be children living today with, in and of the spirit God, of whom all of mankind has been gifted their image of spirit, as it is all written in the Christian Bible you claim as the one word of God available to you. You don’t seem to care that the promised guide into all truth forever is in your midst and inviting you, too, to become a child of God today. That, R/R, is disturbing all who do care. Luke 14:26, exactly as written, leads to Matthew 10:34-36 if you truly wanted to be a student (disciple) of only the Messiah now, on earth, as it is in heaven. Until then you are not acknowledging Jesus as here now.

  • Herm

    Okay, your self protective upbringing has you defending family, church, and nation before all others. Your fundamentalist “Christian” foundation has you going to war against all other (not yours) perspectives, physical and spiritual. You do not carry your cross first in love for all your neighbors, relatives, enemies, friends as much as you love yourself, and would have them carry theirs first in love for you. You define your “Christian” mission as to attack all who do not subscribe to your church family’s theology and dogma. I was not deflecting, have you been thoroughly convinced of all or any of the theology I presented?

  • R/R 2016

    And of course you still presume I’m a fundamentalist. I can’t even say I’m convinced of your reading comprehension.

    But please go ahead and tell me what I believe again. It’s such a pleasure.

  • Herm

    No, R/R, I asked, are you thoroughly convinced … . You accuse others of deflecting only to deflect yourself. You tell me what you believe. I’ve already told you what I know in my relationship with the God testified to in the Bible.

  • R/R 2016

    Well, I certainly don’t believe several of the things you said about me. Is slander one of those weapons you use in your righteous little holy war, Herm? Do you slander me, your neighbor, no less than you would have others slander you?

  • Herm


  • R/R 2016

    Nice try. I’m addressing what you wrote to Al. I’m not chasing your question until you own that you presumed too much and said very negative and untrue things about me. If you continue to behave this dishonestly, then I really don’t see the fruitfulness of having a discussion about your theology.

  • Herm

    R/R, this has become not like a “holy” war, but like two little children hurling (what each thinks are clever from their immature perspective) insults at each other. I apologize for encouraging you to defend the family you know, and so wish to share, and taking it upon myself (“I’m a big boy, now” attitude) to defend the family I know, and so wish to share, even as written of in the “Christian canonized Bible”.

    It intrigues me that, of all the letters of Paul accumulated and church anointed, you would pick Titus to support your rebuke of me. It is the most clear, having once been an elder of equally good repute, that exposes the falsehood of accepted “Christian” structure as established by Paul in the early churches. Paul, the declared 12th disciple replacement, must not have read the Gospel according to Matthew chapter 23, as we designate now. Oh, wait, there was no Gospel of testimony according to Mark, Matthew, Luke or John penned for Paul to read, was there? If Paul could have only read the chronicle as penned in John 14:15-21, 16:12-15 he would have understood that brothers and sisters of Christ, born of the Spirit (baptized, whelmed, filled), are taught by the one Teacher, the guide who will guide each of us into all truth forever. Paul, unable to abandon his training as a Pharisee, patterned a church structure like he was taught would bring order to Christ’s church. Constantine’s sponsorship brought even more order to Christ’s church structure on earth, even to substituting carrying each their own cross with each carrying their own sword. Today’s Christ’s churches have substituted, for the most part, each carrying their own sword with the Bible. All with varying, self-determined theology and dogma, each claiming their allegiance to the one Christ today, teach, each in their own way (which one teacher is the true Way?), their evolving church top down administration of the Father’s will. None adhere to Christ’s commands in Matthew 23:8-12, which is a bottom up administration of Christ’s church in heaven as it is on earth, in spirit not physical, as written in John 4:21-24, “The greatest among you will be your servant”. Paul didn’t read that, either.

    What am I doing? I am answering what I do know by way of the impassioned spirit you shared with us. You “could not see Jesus” in what you called an “accusation(s)” by Keith. You rebuked the fact that church administrations can be guilty “disinformation campaigns” and should be rebuked according to Christ. You reacted to my response as fundamentally un-Christlike because it was divisive. Christ’s church is not represented anywhere on this earth physically, including any administration by authorities of mankind. Once filled with the one guide into all truth, then one of Man, has been born a child of God, only worshiping God and the Father in the family body which is only spirit, not physical. The great commission to each disciple born of God is charged with is to teach only all nations to accept the one Teacher who will guide them into all truth, forever, as each can bear. I can only bear so much, hence my childlike over assertiveness, but him I know in me and I in him. This is not a study of God, my “theology” as you put it, this is my fully united relationship in the family of God and a brother of Jesus in his church flock. No physical church on earth administrated by Man is Christ’s church. It is a fundamental misconception, fed by ulterior motive “disinformation campaigns”, that Jesus has called for, or supports, any unifying of “Christianity”.

    Now tell me what theology you accept to defend, please.

  • R/R 2016

    “Disinformation” is false information that is intended to mislead or obscure the truth, yes or no?

  • Herm


  • R/R 2016

    So, then, the distinction between false information and disinformation is that of intent, correct?

  • Herm

    Oh, yes!

  • R/R 2016

    Great! So let’s assume the “Gospel of Evangelicalism”, as difficult and as unclear as that phrase might be, is a false gospel. Is it possible that evangelical leaders can speak of this gospel because they earnestly believe it, or is every voice of this gospel one that intends to mislead or deceive?

  • Herm


    Oh, thank you, we are getting to the source of the confusion here. Not to deflect, but does the responsibility for passing on “a false gospel” lie with the source of the falsehood, or the last one passing it on as gospel?

    My answer: when spoken as a child of mankind then responsibility lies with the teacher; parent, Sunday school teacher, pastor, etc.. When spoken as an adult, teaching another the truth as they know it, ignorance is the responsibility of the of (s)he who elects to teach another. That was the trap before Jesus, the Christ, for the sincere ignorant were dependent on the literate teachers of the law (scribes), the Pharisee, the Sadducee, the Levites and others of a degree of literate authority to interpret scripture for them. Our, us sincerely seeking the truth who were born first of mankind (water), were saved from the interpretive disinformation due to all our varying degrees of illiteracy when the curtain, before the Holy of Holies, was torn top to bottom, when Jesus gave up his spirit, as it is written. That is what all disciples of the Messiah have been charged to teach, and that alone, that those sincerely seeking the truth from all nations can be filled, whelmed, baptized living with and in the Spirit of truth forever, without pause, in continual prayer.

    Levite priests distributed disinformation to maintain their power through the fear of God’s wrath. If the truth of God is such that the Father would sacrifice his only begotten Son of Man, at the responsible misinformed hands of his blessed and chosen few, that mankind might know the depth of their God’s love, then the entire mission was founded on truth, to correct the previous manipulation of power through the covenant of the Moses seat by disinformation.

    Oh, I could go on because the picture in spirit mis- and dis- information is very clear. Because disinformation begins with protecting each of mankind’s blood relation family of birth, Jesus flat out stated that, before we could become his student, we had to hate all our traditionally accepted allegiance to our blood family, church, and nation before all others of mankind and God. We have to separate from any such narrow obligation of relational survival to accept God’s love for all of Man and of God, friend or foe. If we don’t, we too, irresponsibly mislead and deceive by the authority of our family, church, or nation, not by the authority of God who knows the truth and is now capable of sharing that truth with all who can bear to accept it.

    Every voice defending any theology, doctrine or dogma of mankind as their authority for the will of God, has not seen, to know, to accept the Spirit of all truth available to them today as he was at least 1,985 years ago. The number of years does not matter. All that matters is he is directly available for external counsel for any who in all humility ask for that moment, and is available full time living with and in all who grow to see, to know, to accept him, as it is written.

    Please, forgive me if this still does not make any sense as to who is responsible for dis- and mis- information regarding relationship with God. The more I’ve been taught by God to see and understand mankind’s journey to date, the more it just seems so obvious how religiously we are more comfortable keeping God away than accepting God within. We do all in our power to increase our control over others actually knowing how very little we know of all we know there is to know of truth. It is disturbing when carpenter tells us that the meek will inherit the earth and for the poor in spirit is the kingdom of heaven. Animal mankind is empowered when they teach God’s wrath endorses an eye for an eye, rather than turning the other cheek as you carry your own cross for your enemy, in the example the Son of God. We have no excuse for not accepting the only one Teacher/Guide into all certain truth as we can bear to comprehend it. All of mankind has that responsibility to truth, knowing the limitations of our parents and governing authorities, religious and secular.

    I believe you’ve read that I learn as I go so too often I appear to ramble on.

    The “Gospel of Evangelism” is not, in any way, supported by the four gospels of the Christian Bible. It supports the survival of each adopting church membership but not the church of Jesus, the Christ, the high priest forevermore in heaven, and in the Spirit, and in truth. Any voice promoting that gospel is responsible to such disinformation because they have not sincerely sought the availability truth from God as the definitive source. No way, can any of mankind be born again in the Spirit without accepting him as their one and only Teacher, living with and in them forever, guiding them into all truth as they can bear, which mankind could not bear when Jesus walk this earth in the flesh nearly two thousand years ago.

  • R/R 2016

    Oh, of course. You’ve been taught a special knowledge, and everyone should just take your word for it. No thanks. Back to the question: Is it possible for one to preach the evangelical gospel and earnestly believe it?

    Please keep your responses brief. What you have to say is not that important.

  • Herm

    Neither is what you say is perceived as any more important than what you perceive I say. Would you like the scripture references?

    Do you understand that the word hate ( miseō), in Luke 14:26, is deepest remorse (repentance) for accepting to honor your ignorance when the truth was yours to have At the time Jesus used it it was he speaking directly as the truth, in the flesh to his disciples, students. After that, the word of God was boldly spoken after being filled with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, with no New Testament scripture having been penned.

    From whence does your authority come that dismisses what I say for your more important lessons to me, and any who lurk? Why can’t you take the scripture lessons, as written, without church theological teaching? I’m being taught the truth as I can bear, with no end to the truth I will learn by the end of eternity!!!

    It was written as possible for one having the covenant authority of God to sentence the Son of God, for blasphemy by not renouncing his relationship with God, in God’s name to be crucified because he earnestly did not recognize the Messiah before him. You are not getting why your authority for what you are preaching to me is so important here. What is it? It is not scripture. It is not from your claim to God’s teaching you directly. Is it from your certainty of conjecture derived from your study of God?

  • R/R 2016

    Are you really this self-important that you won’t answer a yes/no question?

  • Herm

    R/R, you have dismissed me as what I say is not important. You have not established any credentials or authority to justify why anyone would want to listen to you, especially when you are so sure of yourself that you dismiss all others. I answered, perhaps too clearly for where you thought you were going, and you are unable to work from where I am, insisting that I be where you are. Bye! I have been dismissed, thank you!

  • R/R 2016

    Wow you’re dishonest. You understand that one’s authority has no bearing upon the veracity of their claim, right?


    This special knowledge you keep claiming doesn’t exempt you from the basics of building a sound argument. But what do I know – I ain’t got no credentials. “Bye, Felicia!”

  • Herm

    argumentum ad verecundiam – Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered.

    Who are you? Who do you speak for? Where do you have the experience to know what the message of Jesus is? You have no evidence to support what the majority of the world can honestly say, because they do not know the “message of Jesus” either. You do not accept to discuss, nor submit to discuss, any scripture to support what you claim as your ignorance. You claim no relationship with Jesus to speak for him. You find fault of those who do claim a personal conversational relationship with chronicled past testimony as support, founded, not on evidence, but simply on “I fail to read the message of Jesus in these kinds of accusations.” So what? … I at least replied with some evidence, if you gave any value to the one book, in our shared language, that chronicled testimony to the “message of Jesus” that I could understand Jesus’ message regarding “disinformation campaigns”.

    Later, when meant for no more then some humor relief, you take umbrage when your “typo” was highlighted when you start right off highlighting Keith’s typo, that’s sick.

    All your arguments offered no evidence to the contrary but demanded no more than yes or no responses. You dismissed replies that were no less substantive or lengthy than the witnessed quotes of Jesus’ replies offered as evidence.

    You rebuke me for sowing discord among people claiming membership in the body of Christ, who do not see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth. Their only claim of authority being their sprinkling, immersion and/or oath of allegiance, when the biblical evidence shows that Jesus’ sows discord among all family members who do not accept the Spirit of truth as their guide, as their only Teacher, and Christ, in them and they in him, as their only Lord who serves them.

    The authority I asked for was “evidence” beyond your claim of credibility summed up with “I fail to read”. … again, so what?

    You dismissed me as though what I say means no more to you, than a “shut your mouth and just accept what I say student” with your authoritative, “Please keep your responses brief. What you have to say is not that important.” Where is it recorded that Jesus submitted to only yes or no responses?

    By your own admission, you don’t see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth as your Teacher, who is my authority from whom I know all the truth I can bear. It is from him that I have realized “the message of Jesus”, written in the Gospels, that my seminary concealed by misdirection, to sustain their authority established by continuing studies of their theologians and enforced by wielding their dogma/doctrine as the Lord says. I once lived within church dogma/doctrine that made that church most sacred in their eyes. Today, I now know that no more principle or belief in God is necessary for an eternal life of relationship with God is necessary than the sum of the Law and Prophets, and like that, all that the Law and Prophets hang on. From from a 100% belief, faith, in the those commands of Jesus we grow to see, to know, to accept the Spirit of truth forever. God is spirit, Jesus is spirit, the Father is spirit, the image of God is spirit, children of God are so in spirit, and all worship of God, for the last 1,985 year minimum, is in the Spirit and in truth. … as it is written in testimonial witnessed evidence.

    Good luck! Thank you for not proselytizing your religious/philosophic order of choice, though we would have at least had some kind of foundation to work from, even if only built on sand. Which reminds me…

    Matthew 16:15-20 (NIV2011)

    “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

    Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

    The rock (foundation) that Jesus builds his church on today is he who revealed to Peter who Jesus was. It is from him that I see Jesus’ message in “It’s a massive disinformation campaign aimed at distracting people from the message of Jesus.” My evidence is from having lived, trained, taught, ministered and played under the umbrella of several Christian churches’ theologies, dogmas, doctrines and administration.

    A pertinent fact is that when we of mankind give any organization of people a name, that organization takes on a life of its own and will fight to survive in spite of the people. Church organizations of people are no different, maybe, even worse and more destructive offenders to the sum of the Law and Prophets.

    Me thinks that you think way too highly of yourself for us to accept your word without anymore evidence than your highlighting your ignorance with “fail to read …”.

    R/R, your are loved, really!

  • Excellent essay. I’m 70 years old and have had this perspective for 60 years. When I was 10 years old I asked the Sunday School teacher why Christians did not do what Jesus said to do, and the teacher told me that was a question for when I grew up. I’ve never believed preachers or teachers since then and have always learned the teachings of Jesus from the words of Jesus, not from Paul, who never met Jesus. The ignored gospel, The Gospel of Thomas, is the fifth gospel to be depended upon. All the rest of the New Testament is others views about the teaching of Jesus to be accepted or discarded based on one’s own understanding of Jesus’ teachings in the five gospels.

    FYI, the word gospel comes from the Old Engilsh meaning “good spell” derived from the Greek euangelion,meaning “good message,” from the contraction “eu” for good and “angelion” as message, i.e., what the messenger angel brings.. I have never liked the translation as “good news” as the word “news” has such a specific connotation in modern English. .

  • I read the essay as saying there is genuine evangelicalism to be found in the gospels and false evangelicalism to be found in pulpits.

  • Gospel of Thomas, Saying 3: Jesus said this, “If those who lead you say this to you, ‘Behold, the Kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds will come to be first of the sky before you. If they say this to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will come to be first before you. Rather, the Kingdom is within you, and it is of your eyes. When you shall know yourselves, then it will know you, and you will realize that you are the sons of the living Father. If, however, you do not know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are the poverty.”

  • There is a little ambiguity in saying “the evangelical ‘good news'” because it is saying “the Good News ‘good news'”. The gospel of Jesus, is the evangel(ical) of Jesus. The question is about the people who have usurped the name “Evangelical” falsely. A true evangelical relies on the words of Jesus. A false evangelical relies on the words of hearsay by those who never met Jesus or heard his gospel..

  • Jon Laan

    I have tried to read/understand much of the discussion below but am failing: Seems many words trying to convince me but not exactly and rightfully “dividing the word”. This term means to me trying to understand as much as possible how seemingly contradictory statements actually complement and explain each other and explain the main objectives of the Word.

    For example, Jesus said he was going to make a place for us [in heaven or where?, but also, the kingdom of heaven is within. Are these 2 statements mutually exclusive and one true and one not? I choose to think not. If some of you argumenters choose to believe differently, I will not argue with you. Maybe you are right; maybe I am right; or maybe we are both right?

    The main crux seems to me to be that a large amount of people see the main message of the Gospel to be to say a little itty ditty prayer that gives them a free ticket to heaven after they die. I prefer to focus on Titus 2:14, which says we are “saved” [redeemed] to be EAGER TO DO GOOD. Which means to be that we are not saved from our sinful, selfish natures by doing good words – which might be not heartfelt or sincere – by being eager to do them and then God will define which of our words are eagerly done. Just me,

    I guess.

  • Herm

    Thank you Gregory! Eternal truth in spirit lives infinitely beyond the pages of canons anointed as holy by councils of mankind.

  • Herm

    Jon, might I help? I, knowingly, “boldly” claim that I do know the message of Jesus. He made a place for us to grow within today. If you reply that I might help, I will need you to moderate my directions to not exceed what you can bear to accept each step along the way. I am not selling any dependence upon me but am sharing the way to the one I can depend on forever. It is important that you are eager to do good. We can define first what “good” might be as versus “evil”, in normal street language, other than any holier than thou language. Love you!

  • OMG, very thrilling…Thank you

  • Richard Aahs

    Thanks Keith. Well said. The great awakening is at hand.

  • Nick Hassan

    Yes fine stirring words.
    But those who heard the gospel and repented were baptised in the name of Jesus Christ.
    Then hands were laid on them to impart the Holy Spirit.
    We need the full biblical message..

    You must be reborn of water and the Spirit.