Quoting Quiverfull: Unsavory Salt?

Quoting Quiverfull: Unsavory Salt? December 14, 2012

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

Mary Pride from her book “The Way Home”

“The church’s sin which has caused us to become unsavory salt incapable of uplifting the society around us is selfishness, lack of love, refusing to consider children an unmitigated blessing. In a word, family planning.”

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  • mary

    The Church having a problem with selfishness and lack of love? Yes. This being in any way related to that wonder of modern science that is safe, effective birth control aka “family planning?” Um, no. Also- can I just point out that 1.Mary Pride only has 4 kids and 2. If she did what she advises other women to do it is statistically probable that she would have a lot more, barring physical impairment and 3. If she had 10 kids she’d never have the time to write this book, and 4. Like it or not, she has a career- writing books and selling them counts….I could go on, but I’ve read this book (my aunt gave it to me when she heard I was getting my tubes tied:) ) and the inconsistencies are kind of hilarious.

  • Laurie

    Mary Pride actually has 9 kids that were homeschooled. I think her ability to do it all and write books about it is what sucked a lot of us in to a very difficult lifestyle. I still admire her abilities.

  • This stuff is so confusing!

    The church’s sin is family planning? Which church does Mary Pride know that engages in family planning? I thought families did that, not churches. Maybe she means that China is a church, and is talking about the one-child policy? (Why have I not heard the Church of China before?)

    Does Mary Pride define anywhere what it means to uplift society? Does she cite research that elucidates which people participate in this activity and which do not? Is there a documented link in the literature between family planning and non-participation?

    What research does she cite to support a connection between a lack of love and family planning? If lack of love causes family planning, presumably it’s a good thing when people unable to love are planning not to conceive children. But she seems to say that it’s family planning by the church that causes lack of love in individuals. I don’t understand what that means but if I did it might be an interesting hypothesis; what is her evidence?

    So many questions…

    I really think that people are attracted to religion because they like to make s*** up. These influential books are being written by people without good educations and it really shows. They don’t know how to think clearly and they don’t believe it’s necessary to test hypotheses against reality. The hypotheses in the short statement above are not phrased in such a way as to be testable.

    Jane Jacobs was an influential secular writer with only two years of formal post-secondary education, but she seemed to have absorbed it fully. I haven’t read a lot of her stuff, but what I have read was clearly stated and either documented or testable.

  • texcee

    I think it’s sort of apropos that her name is Pride.

  • Family planning = lack of love?

    I always thought that having sex with no thought of the possibility that you may fall pregnant – not thinking of potential children while having sex – is a lack of love for your potential children, and a lack of caring about God’s plan for your life, not caring to make the best of your future.
    (For that reason, I regarded – and still regard – sleeping around without birth control or STD prevention as much more immoral than sleeping around with precautions. The one is just more don’t-care about life than the other.)

  • She want us to think of children as “an unmitigated blessing.”

    The Bible say children are a blessing, but not “an unmitigated blessing.” And even if human beings are a blessing for you, they are also people.

    It is, for example, very possible that a quiverful daughter may be a blessing (not unmitigated) to her mother, but she is unhappy, badly fed, badly educated, and not blessed herself. It is very selfish – a lack of love – to collect children because that would bless you, while not asking: “Will they be blessed themselves, growing up in this family?
    And it takes many things to make a child blessed – religion is not enough.

  • Marlena

    My daughter is two weeks old today. And as much as I love her and am very happy she was born, I would not call her an “unmitigated blessing”, especially at 3 am.

  • Salt is never unsavory. It’s delicious.

  • madame

    ‘That’s the point. Salt is no longer delicious if it loses it saltiness.
    To say that Christians using birth control have lost their saltiness shows a lack of understanding of what Christian saltiness is about: loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.

  • Ž

    But if it loses its saltiness it’s not salt anymore, it’s something else…

  • ABaker

    Though I was never Christian, I would point out that according to what I know of the New Testament, Jesus was an only child…

  • Persephone

    There are a lot of non-quiverfull people who also buy into the idea that not having children is selfish, especially for a woman. A woman who doesn’t have chidren is consider unnatural, selfish, abnormal, and suspect.

  • ct

    Yes, birth control is sin….be fruitful and multiply…..children are an heritage of the Lord, blessed is the man that has his quiver full of them…..you all mocking this word makes me question your conversion….Jesus IS the word of God.

  • suzannecalulu

    Jesus never said any of those things. Strictly old testament. Don’t you read your bible?

    Also, read some of our FAQ linked up top and you’ll see we are a mixed community here. Some are still believers, some are not. But… all are welcome until they start slinging mud or being nasty to the members.