Quoting Quiverfull: Public Schools To Blame?

Quoting Quiverfull: Public Schools To Blame? June 21, 2013

by Vaughn Ohlman from Persevero News – Immoral Submission

Oh, but what of the original case? What say I to the poor fourteen year old now with a threat of a year in prison over a shirt which he refused to take off? I say this: that the government has no jurisdiction in education, and is a tyrant and usurper. When he was a child it was his father, and his father alone, who should have born the burden of his education. He is not a child of Caesar and should not have been sent to Caesar’s house for ‘education’. But now as a man grown the fault was his own for even going to such a place.

But I also say the young man, for so I name him, should not have bothered with the trifle of a symbol on his clothing. How is it that you can voluntarily enter into someones house, and then protest over the rules of dress that the master of the house sets?  Should they ask him to go naked, well that is their house, those are their rules.

But he should not have entered the house, for it is a den of blasphemy. As a man grown he should have refused to enter the very door of such a house. As a man grown, for so I believe the Scriptures name him, he is responsible for obeying God’s law. And God’s law calls for him to learn from his father and mother, to get a job and support a wife, not to worship in the house of Caesar.

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  • JoannaDW

    Nope. Don’t buy it. The government protects a citizen’s freedom of speech. As the ACLU said, you don’t surrender your constitutional rights when you enter the school gate. Public schools are government buildings and as such, within reason, they need to respect free speech rights.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Walking into a public school is “worshiping in the house of Caesar”?

    What are they worshiping?

    And what’s the deal with “for so I name him”? I guess this guy thinks that his opinions matter merely because…I don’t know, he has a belief in god? And that means he gets to decide peoples’ ages? I’m completely lost here.

  • Nightshade

    Is Vonnie-boy actually saying that a 14 y/o should be allowed to just quit school and tell Mom and Dad ‘you have to teach me now’? What happened to his claim that even adult children are to obey their parents?

  • The_L1985

    This is an old lie. I remember 20 years ago being told, “At [local public school] kids get in trouble for wearing Christian T-shirts!”

    Given that my classmates tended not to wear shirts that said things like “I Love Jesus,” but rather “Christian” shirts that said such nonsense as “Evolution: Man making a monkey of himself!!” I’m not exactly likely to believe that innocuous religious T-shirts are going to get anyone in trouble anywhere shy of North Korea.

  • gimpi1

    They almost certainly do. See L1985 below. These old “urban legends” circulate among conspiracy-theory folks, but they mostly never happened. The sort of shirts that can get a kid in trouble tend to be hate-speech stuff. Mr. Oholman seems to be a bubble off plumb, so he might not be able to tell the difference.

    I believe he’s also the fellow encouraging “betrothal” or forced marriage as the next step up from “courtship.” He encourages parents to arrange marriages for their kids as soon as puberty strikes. (See his “As a man grown, for so I believe the Scriptures name him,” line.) He also believes fathers should have total control of the choice of a spouse, no refusals allowed. In other words, If I have the right fellow, he’s insane.

  • NeaDods

    That was so incoherent that I went and read the original for context and I still can’t tell what the point or the argument really was!

  • Nightshade

    I took a second look at the link, the original issue wasn’t even a religious, but an NRA shirt. I suppose some people don’t know the difference?

  • lodrelhai

    A fairly common mix-up, from what I’ve seen. Even 10+ years ago when I left my church, they seemed to think support of certain political parties was also a religious matter, to be discussed from the pulpit regardless of legal dictates.

  • persephone

    There are a lot of schools that do not allow pictures or representations of guns. This was not specifically stated in the dress code, but the dress code gives school officials leeway to require students to remove clothing they find inappropriate.

    Considering all the mass shootings that have been occurring, I can understand the school officials requiring the student to remove the shirt as inappropriate and/or inflammatory.

    Of course, this has nothing to do with Vaughn’s post. He’s just over-testeroned, undereducated, and trying to get others to ride his crazy train.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    No, I think he’s just trying to drive home the point that he thinks a 14-year-old is an adult. (who should probably be getting married before he causes trouble!) And he thinks that if he uses hokey, pseudo-KJV-style syntax, it will sound all extra lofty and important.

  • brbr2424

    What about wearing a shirt with a bong or a marijuana leaf or Corona beer. Are those the exercise of free speech also. Middle schools have dress codes to keep order. Clothing can’t advocate violence, drug or alcohol use. A shirt with a weapon on it would fall into that category. Many schools also prohibit plain clothes in gang colors or with gang symbols. The number 14 is a gang symbol in some neighborhoods.

  • The case in question, from what I’ve read, is more about corrupt cops than anything. The shirt was an NRA shirt, and it wouldn’t have been a problem except for some gross misconduct on the part of some adults in authority. It had nothing to do with public schools in general, I’m pretty sure.

  • One question- does the author here think that all kids should have two gay dads? Because he said it should be his father, and father alone, who bears responsibility….
    (j/k) Seriously, though- mothers teach too….. the degree to which this guy downplays the role of the mother is a little creepy.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Yeah, he doesn’t seem to recognize the distinction between private homes and public schools–they are not “houses.” You’d think the type of person who is always ranting about “government schools” would understand the connection between public schools and, er, the government. Which is legally bound to protect speech.