Saturday News Links: June 15, 2013

Saturday News Links: June 15, 2013 June 15, 2013


Billy Graham’s grandson speaks out about the Sovereign Grace Ministries lawsuit –

Interesting article about why young people are choosing to be atheists in record numbers now –

Richmond Outreach Center or ROC has let go four of their pastors, including Geronimo Aguilar in the wake of his arrest for molesting children in Texas –

Style Weekly weighs in on the mess involving Geronimo Aguilar and the ROC. –

The Christian Post asks prominent Christians about family size as they contemplate the possibility of the Duggars adopting a child –

The Salvation Army wants homosexuals put to death –

From Alter Net – The 8 Most Un-Christian Things the Christian Right Have Done Lately –

The head of Exodus International apologizes to the victims of spiritual abuse from their program –

Mississippi wants to start jailing women for having miscarriages –

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NLQ Recommended Reading …

Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment‘ by Janet Heimlich

Quivering Daughters‘ by Hillary McFarland

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce


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  • Kristen Rosser

    I read the article on the Salvation Army, and the one it linked to. It conflates “deserve to die” with “should be put to death.” Since Christians believe that all mankind “deserves to die,” but that Christ’s atonement cancels that out– I doubt very strongly if the Salvation Army wants gays– or anyone else!– put to death. Particularly since the article quotes the Army’s official position, which couldn’t be more opposite. What it looked like to me is that the interviewer deliberately took the Army representative’s words completely other than the sense in which they were intended.

    What I’m questioning at this point is whether this is “news” in the sense of “serious journalism” by any stretch of the imagination. Why should NLQ link to such questionable material as this?

  • Baby_Raptor

    There’s no appreciable difference between saying someone “deserves to die” and that they “should be put to death.” In both statements, you’re saying that the subject should cease breathing. You might be leaving a little wiggle room for HOW they expire, but there’s no doubt that you’re saying they *should* expire.

    (Note: Using general “you” here, not aiming the comment at Ms. Rosser.)

  • “There’s no appreciable difference between saying someone “deserves to die” and that they “should be put to death.” In both statements, you’re saying that the subject should cease breathing.”

    That statement is not true.

    Firstly, “deserve to” is not synonymous with “should.”

    Secondly, when believers use the term “die” in relation to things they call sin, they usually do not mean “cease to breathe.”

    @ Kristen: The majority of the “8 Most Un-Christian Things the Christian Right Have Done Lately” is equally bad – things one person did and then it is blamed on the “Christian right” as a group, taking statements out of context, etc. I believe the one about opposition to feeding the hungry, but the other 7 things seem to be spin to a large degree.

  • Kristen Rosser

    Thanks, Retha. I haven’t read that one yet. 🙂

    But I completely agree with you about the difference between “deserve to” and “should,” etc. What is the use of turning the other’s viewpoint into a strawman and then vilifying them for it? I think it’s much better to represent the other’s position accurately and then address it on its own merits or lack thereof.

  • Theo Darling

    It’s true that Christians believe all “sin” leads to death, but I would suggest that this is actually a big deal, in big-picture terms. The (US) Christian right has been saying this–specifically, that gay people are sinners deserving of death–for quite some time now, and certain right-wing Christian politicians have been directly linked to the kill-the-gays bill and accompanying frenzy in Uganda. They’re /always/ quick to back down and deny responsibility for the results of their hatemongering, but they continue to stir it up, to attack the human rights of LGBT people and perpetuate hate speech. It’s strikingly similar to their reaction to Dr. George Tiller’s murder. “Yes, we’ll continue to use hostile, violent language to stir up animosity towards abortion providers, but OHMYGOD when we said he was a baby killer with genocidal blood on his hands and he deserved to die and be judged harshly by God, we never meant you were supposed to /kill him./”

    Maybe this is just me, but I won’t accept that kind of doubletalk and allow hate groups (or churches, or politicians) to absolve themselves of guilt for the logical consequences of their actions.

  • Kristen Rosser

    Good point. I guess what it boils down to for me is that I couldn’t tell from the article what the Salvation Army actually said. Did they just say, “Gays deserve to die”? If so, I’ll join right in and cry foul.

    But if they said, “Gays, just like the rest of us, deserve death but can be saved through Christ,” then I stand by my position. And based on the one direct quote of the Salvation Army that I saw in the article, I really suspect that what they actually said was something more like the latter.