Quoting Quiverfull: Quiverfull Adherents Not Christians?

Quoting Quiverfull: Quiverfull Adherents Not Christians? October 22, 2013

by Joe Furches of Examiner.com – Former member of the “Quiverfull” movement talks about her journey to Atheism

Pastor Gervase Nicholas Edward Charmley, a frequent commentator on “Fighting for the Faith,” said this in their response to Vykie’s story:

“[Quiverfull appears to be] a group that by any objective, historical measure, was never a Christian church, but some small and heterodox sect.

“In the case of [Vyckie], given that her views led to her effectively leaving the church before becoming an atheist, she had long ago parted company with Biblical Christianity.”

(Editorial note: Yes, this is NLQ’s Vyckie Garrison that is being discussed in Examiner.com)

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • mayarend

    If I believe there is anything wrong with that kind of Christianity, then it probably isn’t Christianity at all, not the right kind, anyways. That’s how these people go… Obviously convenient.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    I take the position that none of us will really know until we get there. My mom, who was strict Church of God, transitioned in April. I’m still wondering how long it took her to recover from seeing all the people she never expected to see in Heaven.

  • SAO

    Didn’t someone somewhere say something about being without sin before casting the first stone? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

  • Madame

    Very true.

  • Madame

    First, sorry for your loss. I hope you have lots of good memories of your time with your mother.

    We used to joke that there are different compartments in heaven, where the people from different denominations arrive when they pass on. The pentecostals and charismatics are very loud. There was one group, I can’t remember which one it was, that thought they were alone in heaven, so everyone else had to tiptoe around their compartment. Silly, but it reflects the idea of heaven for many christians.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Must have been the Quakers (Friends). They have silent meetings, or at least the older sect does.
    I’m going to veer a little off-topic here and share something funny about Mom’s death (thanks for the condolences, I am strangely okay with the whole thing). Mom died suddenly, but she knew she was going to die soon. She had sort of a sixth sense about things like that. She died in the hospital for a minor and relatively safe procedure. The day before she went in, she told me she had a dream she died and was talking with Dad (who’s been gone since 2006), who wanted to take her on a tour in Heaven. She told him she had to say hi to “The Boss” first. Dad told her that He was the good-looking young guy with the neatly-trimmed beard over by the door. Mom told me, “I can’t believe that Jesus had short hair! And a neatly-trimmed beard! Not like the pictures at all! He looked like that handsome British guy [actually, Australian] who played Jean Valjean in that movie Les Miserables!” Yep, Jesus looks just like Hugh Jackman. You heard it here first.

  • Hmmm. Maybe there IS something in Christianity worth going back for…Hugh Jackman, eh? 😀 😀

  • mayarend

    If Jesus looks like Hugh Jackman (and can sing and dance like him) I’m becoming a nun to marry Jesus… Or something. 😛

  • Brennan

    “And Saint Peter said ‘Shh! Those are the Baptists. They think they’re the only ones here.'”
    But, yeah, you could definitely make this joke about a number of denominations, and I think I’ve heard more than one version of the joke.

  • B.E. Miller

    You’re reminding me of that episode of the Simpsons where Bart and Homer joined a Catholic Church, and the Reverend Lovejoy (of the church where the entire Simpson family had previously attended) taunts Marge with the idea that she will be separated from her family in heaven. Which leads to this wonderful skit of Protestant Heaven and the song and dance number in Catholic Heaven.

  • B.E. Miller

    I am so mentioning this bit about Jesus looking like Hugh Jackman to others. That is fantastic.

  • B.E. Miller

    I googled the word ‘adherents’ just to be sure I had this right. An adherent is someone who subscribes to a particular belief system.
    So Quiverfull adherents would be people who believe in Quiverfull doctrine.
    Now if you wanted to say that Quiverfulls are not Christian, I could see how that idea might come up, as they seem to believe in following a lot of the beliefs of the Old Testament, and generally it’s assumed that Christians follow the New Testament, not the old one. (Which is supposedly now invalid due to the arrival of Jesus.)
    Though a Christian is someone who believes in Jesus as the long awaited Messiah, son of God, God made human, etc, So under that, Quiverfulls are Christian, as are Santeroes. (People who practice Santeria.) There are also some Christians who practice a more shamanic form of Christianity, which some Baptists and others hard-liners might not consider Christianity.
    And now I’m just confusing myself….