Quoting Quiverfull: Always a Battle?

Quoting Quiverfull: Always a Battle? November 26, 2013

by Rachel D Ramer of CRI – Christian Families on the Edge

Author Reb Bradley, however, echoes the Pearls: “Keep your objective in mind — subjection of their will.…Teach your children to obey without being told ‘why.’”11 Authors William and Colleen Dedrick also concur: “When your child disregards or disobeys your command, he breaks fellowship with you and offends you as his God-ordained authority.”12 Concerning permissiveness, lack of restraint, and neglect, the Dedricks state, “Every minute you spend with your child there is a battle in one or more of these areas.”13

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QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement‘ by Kathryn Joyce

 

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  • Hannah

    It must be exhausting, being in a battle with your child 24/7.

    If your child doesn’t understand “why”, they won’t follow the commands as soon as they don’t have to anymore. If you want to teach them, you talk to them.

  • Nea

    I cannot wrap my head around a philosophy that simultaneously sees children as blessings from god and an unholy enemy that must be utterly crushed.

  • Trollface McGee

    Once again, just because you’ve seen a few military movies and own a gun – does not make you an expert on the military. Soldiers who “obey without questioning” are bad soldiers. Children who don’t question do not learn critical thinking which messes them up when they are adults. When I watch animals teach their young, it’s fascinating, and doesn’t involve any sort of battle because parenting doesn’t work that way.
    On the other hand, it may explain why fundies are so eager to go to war – if your idea of a battle is winning against a 5 year old, war must seem like cake.

  • Amen.

  • If you get your purpose in life from having unholy enemies that must be utterly crushed, then of course children are a blessing from God.

  • It seems to be rooted in the “children and women as a man’s property” thought process. This is what happens when you take the literal prescriptions of both the Old and New Testament (which were directed at a PARTICULAR people at a PARTICULAR time) and decide that they are universally and timelessly applicable. Scary, really, but it’s a risk of the “Sola Scriptura” mindset.

    I saw a #ThingsJesusneversaid the other day that said, “Go therefore to all the nations and hand them a book and let everyone decide, without any guidance from you, what it means.” Makes sense.

  • Saraquill

    If you’re locked into a never ending struggles with the bundles of sin you call children, why bother having any?

  • Nightshade

    Yep, take alllllll the joy out of the wimmenfolk’s job in life, and tell them any other choice will land them in hell. Way to go, guys…way to go.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    Yes, children as property. When I’ve confronted certain people about their misguided disciplinary practices that’s one of the arguments they’ve used: the children are their property and theirs to do with what they want. Eesh!

  • Nea

    What’s freaky is… that totally makes sense. Practice on the kiddies what you’re having them to do unto the secular world.

  • Nea

    UUUUGH! Have you asked them about their support of slavery?

  • Edie Moore McGee

    No, but that’s certainly where the people as property line of thinking would take you. I have pointed out to them that children aren’t property any more than wives are property. Every person I’ve ever argued that with has been a woman, and none to date has wanted to consider herself husband’s property. Their answer has been to say, “Well, she’s a child, and I’m an adult and ….” Usually they’ll make the point that children don’t have all the same rights as adults, e.g., they can’t own real property, sign binding contracts, vote, etc. And that’s true, but children-as–property doesn’t follow from one’s status as a minor. I’ve tried to explain, to no avail, that my daughter isn’t my property (some have had the nerve to suggest I bought her because we adopted her), but instead, has full human rights and I have a special custodial relationship with her until she comes of age.

  • Trollface McGee

    And yet, a lot of the same people, if they have an elderly or mentally disturbed family member that requires custodial care would balk that anyone would see that person as property – when legally, it the same logic that puts those legal limits and custodial relationships in place.