Quoting Quiverfull: Birth Control Destroying Country?

Quoting Quiverfull: Birth Control Destroying Country? May 2, 2014
This is one of the images that comes up when you Google “Whoredom”

by Steven L. Anderson, pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church, at Raw Story – AZ Pastor: Childless women on birth control have destroyed the U. S. with ‘Whoredom’

“Not only does birth control do damage to women, it hurts their body if they’re using the pills. And it also affects their character, causing them to be an idle, tattler, gossip, turning aside after Satan,” he insisted.

Women would “get into sin” if they were not “busy” raising children, Anderson said.

Anderson noted that Annette Funicello, a star of the Mickey Mouse Club in the 1950s, had promoted birth control for a 1960s-era advertisement. At one point, he even began to sing “fornicate with me” to the tune of the Mickey Mouse Club March theme song.

“It promotes promiscuity, it promotes whoredom!” he advised, reading from the Bible: “Do not prostitute thy daughter to cause her to be a whore, lest the land fall to whoredom and the land become full of wickedness!”

“A land can call to whoredom!” he exclaimed. “And the United States today, fits that bill. If anybody has ever fit that bill, it’s the United States of America.”

Read the rest of the article at  Raw Story

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  • Mirella222

    Look, we get it. You liked the bad old days, when women were constantly pregnant and had to stay home looking after their 10+ kids. Then, she would eventually die in childbirth, and the man would get to marry another (read: younger, prettier, etc) woman to look after him and his kids, and then she would have even more kids and the cycle goes on. This was reality. This is not reality any more. Women benefit greatly from being able to choose when and if to have children. This was a huge step towards reaching social equality with men; for a long time, men were the only ones who had a (sort of) reliable form of birth control (the condom), and they were the ones who decided when and if to have sex with their wife….female centric contraception took away that power. It gave women the same reproductive power as men (which is as it should be, since she is the one who will carry the baby). You can rant about “whoredom” all you want, it won’t stop women from taking control of their own bodies (and, by extension, their own lives). BC is here to stay, and I’m glad it is.

  • Mel

    This is the same guy whose wife wrote extensively on her blog about how healthy, natural foods will prevent all illnesses so a good family won’t need health insurance. They also prayed that the president would die so that Obamacare wouldn’t happen.

    Then Zsusanna has a very complicated pregnancy that required multiple surgeries and would have bankrupted them….if Obamacare hadn’t prevented the insurance companies from excluding pre-existing conditions.

    Freaking hypocrites.

  • Lauren Borrero

    I have to say this guy is full of it. I think a lot of men want that unlimited power of the olden days but that will never be again. I use birth control to stop my periods because their too heavy and drained the life out of me.

    Just because people don’t have kids doesn’t make them bad people. I wonder what he thinks of people who can’t have children?

  • gimpi1

    Ah, yes, Mr. “I carry my wife around the house every morning to show her who’s boss” Anderson strikes again. You can’t make up this kind of crazy. (Link below.)

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/03/15/christian-pastor-i-carry-my-wife-around-the-house-every-day-to-show-her-whos-boss/

  • gimpi1

    I don’t supposed they walked back their statements when their own life-circumstances proved them wrong, did they, Mel?

    Of course not, what was I thinking…

  • persephone

    Fundamentalists of all stripes seem to like the 13th century. *smh*

    I’m not saying I didn’t have some side effects from the pill, but they were nothing compared to the damage I’ve suffered permanently as a result of pregnancy, and the abuse from my ex.

  • Trollface McGee

    Why you mad bro?
    Seriously, this guy… I don’t know whether he’s trying to be the next Fred Phelps or he’s really THAT insecure in his masculinity or both – the whole hateful, misogynistic part… that’s old, but I’m just amazed by how angry this guy gets… like if there’s any doubt about how he’s a manly man who has a functioning penis, his world will end or something.

  • I feel like no one can say it better than Loretta Lynn did, so I’m just going to quote her:

    “You wined me and dined me when I was your girl
    Promised if I`d be your wife you`d show me the world
    But all I`ve seen of this old world is a bed and a doctor bill
    I`m tearing down your brooder house `cause now I`ve got the pill

    All these years I`ve stayed at home while you had all your fun
    And every year that`s gone by another baby`s come
    There`s gonna be some changes made right here on Nursery Hill
    You`ve set this chicken your last time `cause now I`ve got the pill

    This old maternity dress I`ve got is going in the garbage
    The clothes I`m wearing from now on won`t take up so much yardage
    Miniskirts hotpants and a few little fancy frills
    Yeah I`m making up for all those years since I`ve got the pill

    I`m tired of all your crowing how you and your hens play
    While holding a couple in my arms another`s on the way
    This chicken`s done tore up her nest and I`m ready to make a deal
    And you can`t afford to turn it down `cause you know I`ve got the pill

    This incubator is overused because you`ve kept it filled
    The feeling good comes easy now since I`ve got the pill
    It`s getting dark it`s roosting time tonight`s too good to be real
    Aw but Daddy don`t you worry none `cause Mama`s got the pill
    Oh Daddy don`t you worry none `cause Mama`s got the pill”

  • Nea

    Let me guess. He thinks having a career or independence of any mind = whore.

    ETA. Auto correct turned kind to mind, but I thought about it and decided that was pretty accurate.

  • persephone

    People who can’t get pregnant are cursed for their evil ways. I watched the series American Muslim and the local imam told a woman that if she started wearing the headscarf and dressing modestly that god would smile on her and give her a child. Of course, this makes no sense when another woman on the show dressed in short skirts and tight clothes and long, bleached hair and makeup, and had two kids.

  • Allison the Great

    Women would “get into sin” if they were not “busy” raising children, Anderson said.

    Speaking as a woman who is not having children and never intends to, not being busy raising children doesn’t lead you into sin. Women who take birth control do it for a variety of reasons. When we take it as a contraceptive, we’re not using it so we can have orgies and run off with bikers. We’re using it because we have things to do, we are being responsible by not having kids we can’t afford and we don’t want to be pregnant all the damn time and have 19 fucking babies.

    This guy hasn’t got any proof that it “hurts women” and sorry, but I’m gonna listen to my doctor in terms of health issues instead of this weirdo.

    What really pisses me off about this douchebag is that he seems to think that women are disposable baby dispensers.

    The answer for this asshole, and other assholes like him is this
    Don’t like birth control? Don’t use it. Oh, wait, you can’t, so shut the fuck up. Nobody asked you, and you don’t get a say.

    Seriously, people need stop worrying about the personal health decisions other people make. They need to learn to mind their own affairs.

  • Allison the Great

    If he gets that mad about people using birth control and women having independence, then he really is that insecure about his masculinity. As well he should be, he obviously falls short somewhere and he knows it. Otherwise, why get so mad about what people he does not know do? Why get mad about the personal decisions being made by people he will never meet? It’s none of his damn business.

  • Allison the Great

    I just read that article. The man needs to be institutionalized. There is something seriously wrong with him. And his poor wife! It’s amazing how insecure he must be to hate women that much.

  • texcee

    Can you say “f***ing nuts”? Because this guy is certiable!

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    He’s not to proud to beg for money when his wife’s last pregnancy didn’t go well.

  • Angry rich old white man tries to tell everyone else how to live their life.

    Now am I talking about the pastor who gave this quote, or Donald Sterling?

    Yes.

  • Edie Moore McGee

    If you think he’s mad (and crazy), you should read the stuff his wife Zhuszhanna writes. Truly scary. And MEAN.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    His wife strikes me as another Michelle Duggar type in that it’s pretty obvious she controllers everything/everyone while pretending to be submissive

  • Trollface McGee

    I’ve been listening to some of his youtube vids out of morbid curiosity… the man is… well, I can’t think of a deserving insult. So far I’ve learned:
    -that he’s got some serious woman issues… and gay issues… and if he gets caught in women’s clothing picking up a gay hooker, I will not be surprised in the least
    -that evolution is silly because LOL! he doesn’t understand science and that’s hilarious
    -that mental illness is caused by demons (this girl was hearing voices AND listening to the rock AND the roll, duh!)
    -that rape is bad because it’s fornication
    -torture is really bad unless it’s done by God and the only reason it’s bad is because it’s done for information gathering rather than punishment
    -he’s not against gay marriage because LOL! they should be stoned to death! (seriously…)
    And I’ve read his wife’s blog… and it lost me all sympathy, she’s as hateful as he is – their kids, on the other hand, them I do feel bad for.

  • Trollface McGee

    I’ve read it… she’s mean and hateful and they have 7 or 8 kids that they’re bringing up in that atmosphere, it’s really quite sad, as well as all the other kids that are growing up in that church. They’re just as bad as the WBC, minus the stupid posters.

  • Joyce

    Women would “get into sin” if they were not “busy” raising children, Anderson said.

    I’m busy raising children, but whoo-hoo, I still make lots of time to sin.

    When we take it as a contraceptive, we’re not using it so we can have orgies and run off with bikers.

    Speak for yourself! That’s exactly what I like to do.

  • gimpi1

    Hi,Trollface! Thanks for taking the time to actually wade through the vids. I couldn’t bring myself to swim through that much crazy. I wish I could say I was amazed by what you found:

    “…and if he gets caught in women’s clothing picking up a gay hooker, I will not be surprised in the least.” Neither will I.

    “…evolution is silly because LOL! he doesn’t understand science and that’s hilarious.” Yes, his lack of understanding of science, reality, and reason appear to know no bounds. His crazy is pretty boundless, too.

    “…mental illness is caused by demons.” I have to assume he’s possessed, then. No other explanation, right?

    “…that rape is bad because it’s fornication.” Because consent does not matter. And women aren’t people with actual rights or anything.

    “…he’s not against gay marriage because LOL! they should be stoned to death!” This is just too psychotic for words. Wait, no it’s not. He obviously found some.

    I am also in total agreement with you regarding his wife. They deserve each other. Their children, on the other hand, I feel for them as well.

  • Mirella222

    People LITERALLY sang the praises of the pill when it first came out; that should be enough to show that in the past, things were not all rainbows and sunshine; people desperately wanted to be able to control how many children they had. These people need to stop idealizing the past.

  • Mirella222

    Yes, this. I love it when they stop hiding behind “protecting women” and “women are special flowers” and all that bullshit, and show themselves for what they really are: cruel, misogynistic men, who have no problem abusing the women in their lives, and who couldn’t care less about children except to be arrows in their quiver. Makes it a lot less palatable to the general population, and a lot easier to show WHY feminism is still needed today.

  • Independent Thinker

    Intimidation is a form of domestic violence.

  • Astrin Ymris

    None of these uber-conservative “Nanny State” ranters is EVER too proud to beg for money when their “obedience to God’s Will” leaves them a little short. Or just because they want to be “debt-free” while building a house and pursuing international adoption.

    http://fitzpatrickfamilyadoption.blogspot.com/

  • guest

    How long until he falls or is caught because he’s already slipping and sliding? Gothard, Doug Phillips, Schaap… all misogynists, all dealing most treacherously with young women (to use their own words).
    I watched that clip about how he carries his wife across the house just to show her who’s boss and that just confirms how he doesn’t get it. He doesn`t get it at all. He will fall.

  • Allison the Great

    Really, she’s one of the Pure Spite True Christians? ™ I’m going to have to read her blog…

  • guest

    It’s all about him making sure he’s boss and she knows it. Sick.

  • Saraquill

    “It hurts their body if they’re using the pills.”

    (sarcasm) This is so true. Having lighter periods and manageable cramps so dreadful. On top of that, the horror of controlled PCOS is like having Cthulhu in your uterus!(end sarcasm)

  • Saraquill

    Margaret Sanger was motivated to advocate for birth control after seeing what her mom went through with 12 pregnancies. It bothers me when naysayers insist that her good works are invalid.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I read her blog too and am continually amazed that they have that many kids living in a house so small. Where is she homeschooling them? In the garage?

  • Allison the Great

    This is why you’re awesome.

  • Amen.

  • Aimee Shulman

    I know a married woman who’s been on the pill for a couple decades now…because she nearly died with her third pregnancy and after the baby was born the doctor told her she basically could either go on bc or risk dying with the next pregnancy. So she went on bc and was there to raise (and homeschool!) her three children. Funny how these people can think of literally no reason that any woman would wnt to prevent pregnancy except to go picking up random men to “whore” with. Goes to show what they think of women in general.

  • SAO

    Note the implicit assumption that no men have any self-control and expecting it of them is a waste of time. Yet, no doubt, he thinks women should submit to men because men are superior and God speaks only to them.

    Birth control and abortion are both safer for women than childbirth and a lot easier on the body than repeated pregnancies.

  • Nea

    I’ve seen women – some men, but mostly women – in that culture arguing the opposite of your last point. You’d think that at some point the women in the culture would believe their lying eyes and figure out which group of women looks healthier, has more energy, and isn’t prematurely aging…

    As for his implicit assumption, I’m positive it’s true… for HIM!

  • Trollface McGee

    He also believes that the fact that pregnancy is hard on the woman’s body is a good thing because of Eve and the whole apple thing. He also believes the whole “women are redeemed by childbirth” a la Martin Luther.

  • “Women would “get into sin” if they were not “busy” raising children, Anderson said.”
    What does he think of all those senior ladies whose children have grown up and got married and left the home? They are huge sinners? And the whole old age home is full of big sinners?

  • Mirella222

    I know, right? Going through pregnancy and labour every other year or so for decades is TOTALLY better for my overall health than taking the pill! And of course I’ll have the energy to raise and homeschool 10+ kids in that condition!! /sarcasm/

  • Mirella222

    The infanticide of the past is always left out too. In ancient civilizations, it was not uncommon to leave babies to die in the woods. In 1198, Pope Innocent III told orphanages that they had to have “baby hatches” so the mothers could leave the children anonymously….because before that, there were so many children being drowned in the Tiber river. Even in Victorian times, babies were often “accidentally” smothered to death, because otherwise the whole family would starve, and it seemed kinder than to put them in an orphanage…..bc prevents people from being in that situation in the first place.

  • Allison the Great

    Hating women because of some stupid creation myth? What an asshole.

  • Jewel

    Oh, is this THAT psycho??? Yes, he will fall. Let’s just hope it’s not while he’s carrying his poor wife.

  • Jewel

    Love it!! Pass some bikers my way, girlfriend!!!

  • Jewel

    Now I’m hoping that he WILL fall while carrying her, unlike in my response above to guest.

  • This guy’s way of reading scripture is ridiculous. 1 Timothy 5 talks about certain young childless widows who (because the culture allowed no other occupation for women than as wives and mothers) caused some trouble because they had nothing to do. It wasn’t being women without children that caused the problem– it was the lack of occupation— and young people in any society that keeps them from finding useful and fulfilling work do tend to get into trouble. How he could read this in such a way as to make it all about being female is really troubling. Clearly, to him women aren’t real humans.

  • BBunsen

    Nobody knows better what’s good for a woman than a man, right? Especially a man who’s got a book full of praise for patriarchy to back him up. Why any woman would fall for this Quiverfull/Christian Patriarchy crap is beyond me…but I’m a man and an atheist, so I understand very little about why these movements appeal to anyone.

  • Anonyme

    You’re right, Jerkface…women ONLY use it for birth control so they can “play the field”…they couldn’t be using it to say, control hormones that affect epillepsy so they don’t die from a severe seizure.

  • Anonyme

    Adam ate the apple too, why don’t men go through some painful process…oh, wait, it’s probably because EVE tempted him, and he had no choice, right?

  • Sara Lin Wilde

    “Cthulhu in your uterus.” I love you.

  • Sara Lin Wilde

    I have no kids of my own. And yeah, by his strict standards, I’m probably a whore. (Even worse, a divorcee!) But I have used my childless state to return to school, pursue a diploma in early childhood education, and develop a career nurturing far more children (thus allowing their mothers to pursue their own goals and dreams) than I ever could’ve on the baby-a-year plan.

    And based on what I’ve seen in some caregivers around me, the presence of many, many babies does not necessarily prevent idleness or gossip and can sometimes fuel it. There just isn’t any kind of relationship that holds true across the board; people are individuals. But if idleness and gossip is what worries you, maybe you could try a system where women embrace a life outside of the family that they’re passionate about? No more idleness, because they love what they do; no more gossip because they’ve got a topic that really ignites their interest and they want to talk about that. I know, I’m such a radical.

    And if it turns out that I am able to have children of my own in the future, I’ll probably have the Pill to thank for stopping me from ovulating my way into fully blocked Fallopian tubes due to PCOS. Or so my doctors said when they put me on the Pill. I guess they didn’t cover that at the medical school Pastor Anderson attended . . .