Quoting Quiverfull: Patriarchy Is Not A Dirty Word?

Quoting Quiverfull: Patriarchy Is Not A Dirty Word? May 1, 2014

by Kelly Crawford from Generation Cedar – Tired of Patriarchy’s Bad Rap

Edited to add: Kelly Crawford has pulled down the post off her blog but R.L. Stollar over at Homeschoolers Anonymous has a PDF file of Kelly’s original post. So what is Kelly afraid of?

Patriarchy is not “man-control”, it’s God control. And you see, that’s just the problem everybody has with it. Frankly, in this 21st century “me world”, we don’t want anyone in control. Even us Christians. So we take God’s Word and not only reject it, but we make up our own deviated definitions about it and then call those who still hold to its simple truth “cult members.”

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Wow. So many assumptions. You know why we don’t want anyone in control? Because that power over another person corrupts. It lays all the groundwork to bring out the worst in men, and puts women and children in such a vulnerable position that they are powerless to stop it.

  • “Patriarchy is not “man-control”, it’s God control.”

    That is a bald-faced lie, or otherwise evidence that the speaker of these words are deceived.

    “Patri-” means father, “archy” means rule. Patriarchy is man-control, or to be precise, father-control.

     

    And you see, that’s just the problem everybody has with it. Frankly, in this 21st century “me world”, we don’t want anyone in control. Even us Christians. So we take God’s Word and not only reject it, but we make up our own deviated definitions about it and then call those who still hold to its simple truth “cult members.”

    This argument is based on a redefinition of the word “Patriarchy”. As a Christian, I want God in control. You know, the God who said:

    Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

    In God’s Kingdom, even fathers are to be regarded as brothers, and only Jesus is a master, or ruler…

  • Mirella222

    These people just pick and choose verses at random that they are going to follow and reject all the other verses around it. It’s like taking one or two racist quotes out of To Kill a Mockingbird and then arguing that the book as a whole promotes racism (while really it does the opposite…). When read as a whole, the New Testament is pretty clearly egalitarian. Husbands and wives are supposed to submit TO EACH OTHER; there is no male and female for we are all one in Christ; Jesus said it was better for a woman to learn from him than work in the kitchen; Paul encouraged women and men not to marry so they could focus on good works, indicating that he thought women could have independence. This was some radical stuff at the time! But of course, it all got watered down once a bunch of men decided to use it to further their misogynistic and homophobic agendas……they give all Christians a bad name.

  • Mirella222

    Exactly; Jesus came to upend the hierarchies (the last shall be first and the first shall be last), not reinforce patriarchy.

  • SAO

    The problem is that patriarchy defines God’s word as how a woman’s father or husband says it is. A man might pray and feel that at the end of his prayer, he’s found God’s plan. But a woman is wrong to do the same.

    Quoting from various proponents of patriarchy:
    Kevin Swanson “Actually, the Bible calls the husband (me), the “head” as Christ is head of the church (Eph. 5:23).”

    Doug Wilson’s Daughter: “Christian women should be characterized by submission” and “I submit ultimately to God and He has asked me to submit to this particular man.”

    Women are explicitly told not to question the Man of the Family’s word. Not to ask if God cares whether or not her hair and skirts are long, for example. Not to ask if fetching him a cold beer is or isn’t what God wants for her. So, in the end, she’s controlled by the man, not God.

  • Nea

    I’m hardly going to be swayed by the so-called wisdom of someone who doesn’t know the difference between the words “patriarchy” and “theocracy,” much less the definition of a cult member. (Hint: religious belief alone doth not make a cult. Someone demanding to be in control of the actions, thoughts, and faith of everyone does!)

    Sheesh (and yes, I know what that’s a corruption of.) These quotes have taught me a valuable lesson, though. If you want to distinguish those who believe from those who want to have power within the tribe, don’t look at the parts of the Bible they quote. After all, even the Devil can quote scripture.

    Look at the parts of the Bible they consistently ignore! False witness is a no-no, Ms. Crawford, and that’s straight from God his own self.

  • gimpi1

    Yet one more who needs to invest in a dictionary.

    Patriarchy is defined as control or rule of the father. Theocracy is rule of a priest-class in the name of a god or gods. I don’t know of a word for God-rule, but it isn’t patriarchy. Words have actual meanings. What a concept…

  • Allison the Great

    So we take God’s Word and not only reject it, but we make up our own deviated definitions about it and then call those who still hold to its simple truth “cult members.

    Um, it’s not God’s word, Sweetie. It’s your word. And yeah, Honey, you’re a cult member. It’s not really worshipping God, it’s worshipping man when a woman thinks that she has to go through a man to get to God. I also don’t like the idea that “whatever my husband/father believes, I guess I believe that too.” There is nothing wrong with thinking for yourself.

  • Allison the Great

    They don’t understand that the man could be just making it up, like Gothard could have just said “God wants me to touch your boobs, submit to me” and the woman would do it? He probably did say that.

  • “You can’t disagree with me because God.” “Control by me is control by God.” Ever thought, Ms. Crawford, that it might be this that is taking God’s name in vain?

  • Trollface McGee

    You know what else has a bad rap? The Inquisition! Really people, the word just means to question. Of course in our 21st century world of heathen atheistic values, we’ve decided this was a bad thing. So we take a perfectly good word, in God’s own English, and twist it around and make people who sing the praises of it look like monsters! For shame.

  • Nea

    Um, it’s not God’s word, Sweetie. It’s your word.

    Seriously, the story of Mary and Martha in her Bible must have an ending that isn’t in mine.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    The “patri” in “patriarchy” does not mean “God.” Words have meanings, speaking of making up definitions.

  • Jason Pearson

    God rule, not man rule, eh? Then stop trying to control people and let God take care of it. And you can bet your Constitution that, given half a chance, these folks would be enforcing patriarchy through rule of law.

  • Patriarchy is actually heretical and VERY against the teachings of the Bible. http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-garboczi-evans/2014/04/doug-philips-sex-scandal-and-the-heresy-of-the-patriarchy/ With the type of ludicrous hermeneutics that Patriarchy proponents use on the Bible, I’m sure they could make Friedan’s Feminine Mystique into a Patriarchy affirming document as well. I think SO much more needs to be written by actual Bible scholars on this topic, since these heretical teachings (of Patriarchy) do a huge disservice to the cause of Christ.

  • Jewel

    Excellent points, NeaDods!!

  • Jewel

    THIS!!!!!

  • Jewel

    And like this is a new concept? As in, us “twenty-first century” folk are the first to ever question absolute rule of one person over another or one class of people over another? No, there’s never been any wars or uprisings or revolutions over such things before in history. It’s a new “me generation” thing.