Quoting Quiverfull: Satan Did It?

Quoting Quiverfull: Satan Did It? May 14, 2014

Don’t know if anyone here has been following the saga of Flip Benham’s sons and HGTV. You remember Flip, he is the head of Operation Rescue/Operation Save America and one of the big early players in the Right to Life movement.

Flip organizes folks to carry signs, protest at any clinic that might offer abortion services and Planned Parenthood clinics. They block entrances, parking lots and try to harass anyone working at the clinic or visiting for any reason. Which is sad because there are lots of legitimate reasons to visit those clinics that have nothing to do with getting an abortion.

So Flip’s sons are all grown up and flip houses for a living. HGTV offered them a reality show helping people flip houses. HGTV greenlit this show and it was on track to happen. Until people realized these were the sons of Flip Benham, put pressure on HGTV to drop the duo because of their vocal anti-gay stance. HGTV cancelled the project rather than lose their viewers. Now the twins are fighting back on every media outlet.

The brothers seems sort of like chips off the old Flip block in many ways.

Last night they were on Glen Beck’s show.

From Raw Story – Fired HGTV hosts: Satan using his gay ‘demonic agenda’ to silence us

David Benham argued that they had been attacked by the same “spirit” that had been “punching nations since the beginning of time.”

Beck agreed, and connected that spirit back to Nazism in “eastern Europe and Germany.”

“We’re headed down the book-burning road,” Beck warned.

Jason Benham remarked that the “homosexual community” was not the enemy: “No, it’s God vs. the Devil.”

“And there’s a small number of people in this world that buy into the idea of this agenda that wants to silence people,” he opined.

“We are called to restrain evil so that good may flourish,” David Benham remarked. “Don’t force yourself on anyone. Don’t force your beliefs. That’s why we have the freedom of religion, and the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, and the freedom of press, is because of this faith that is outlined in the Bible.”

Read the complete article at Raw Story

Did HGTV make the right decision?

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Sandy

    No. The show is about flipping houses. If the boys are good at it, viewers will watch it, no matter their personal beliefs. HGTV should give it a chance to see if it would stand.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Sandy, I feel the same way. Let the market place vote by viewership. It’s not like their show has anything to do with abortion or gay agenda. Which is why I haven’t covered it here till today. If they are great at flipping houses more power to them.

  • Independent Thinker

    HGTV is a brand. If HGTV feels like a group, family, or organization isn’t consistent with the values of their company I support them. I do hope if nothing else they thoroughly research anyone they plan to give a show before starting actual production. There has been massive support for Hobby Lobby’s view on birth control and Chick-Fil-a’s support of traditional marriage. There should also be support for HGTV’s viewpoint on family diversity. In each case the company has taken a stand and implemented policies consistent with that stance.

  • Allison the Great

    Satan did Jack Shit (this is the part where Archer fans yell “Name dropper”) to make this show die. HGTV is a gay friendly channel. They probably didn’t want to make waves with their viewers.

  • Trollface McGee

    I’m glad that God’s main concern is who is going to win the next major sports game and Satan’s main concern is getting people’s television shows cancelled, and I see Glen Beck still has his Nazi glasses on.
    Meanwhile HGTV gets free publicity, the bigot-twins get free publicity and the right-wing gets it’s persecution boner stoked. It’s win-win.

  • brbr2424

    I disagree. They are unsavory people. I would not want to watch the show knowing they are part of the Operation Rescue or the group that just tried to shout down a Hindu clergy invited to give the opening prayer in congress. I don’t care how much entertainment value the show would provide.

  • brbr2424

    What a massive screwup on whoever should be doing due diligence at HGTV. They could have avoided this mess by recognizing who these guys were earlier.

  • The HGTV facebook page is a hoot right now. And by “hoot”, I mean, makes me want to pull my hair out.

  • Brennan

    “We are called to restrain evil so that good may flourish.”

    Seems to me that that’s exactly what HGTV is doing. If you have the choice between giving a show to a couple of house-flippers who hold despicable views or giving that same time slot to, say, house-flippers who are equally good at their jobs and don’t hold despicable views, why would you go with the bigots? It isn’t as though there’s a shortage of real estate guys who want to be reality stars. And their “freedom of speech/religion/ect.” argument is utterly specious. HGTV is not the federal government.

    At the end of the day, they can think what they want and say what they want, but no one is required to give them a microphone. Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequences of that speech, and in this case, the consequence is HGTV deciding that they don’t want these dudes representing their brand. The network is within its rights to do so, and I would think less of them if they made any other choice.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Isn’t “buying and selling things unaltered”– IOW, profiting by inserting yourself as an unnecessary middleman– condemned by one of the Old Testament prophets? Yet that is essentially what “flipping houses” is– buy when the price is low, sell when the price is better. The end user winds up paying more than s/he otherwise would.

    Even if the “house flipper” in question does some home improvements on the property, they add more than it costs them to do the work to the price of the house. The eventual resident would usually have come out ahead by doing their own renovations– and they’d have gotten the features they really wanted to boot.

    So as devout, Bible-believing Christians, how do the Bentham brothers justify defying Scripture to pursue such an occupation?

  • KarenH

    Of course HGTV made the right decision. They have been known for their open, hate-free programming for years. A huge percentage of their audience and indeed, their on-camera staff, are homosexuals. many of the TV clients are same sex couples buying or selling homes or looking for rentals together. To have hire the Asshat Hate Twins would have been a slap in their faces.

    Besides we’ve already got at least two shows on house flipping and two more shows about twins buying and selling and helping families buy/sell their homes. The Asshats are redundant in every way EXCEPT their hate-filled message. They aren’t needed. They certainly aren’t wanted. (imo)

    If they are so desparate to be on TV, have Fox sponsor them for a house-flipping show.

  • KarenH

    Indeed. I suspect whomever that was is polishing his/her resume as we speak.

  • KarenH

    There are already two other shows about flipping houses. Given the current status of the real estate market in the US, HGTV hardly needs a third one. And they certainly don’t need one by a couple of asshats who insult a sizeable percentage of the viewers and on-air staff who put HGTV on the map to begin with.

  • KarenH

    Just one point….Although no one seems to have noticed before this spring, the incident where Christians disrupted a session of the US Senate occurred in July of 2007.


  • KarenH

    Just a quick clarification: by “Of course HGTV made the right decision” I mean “for themselves, HGTV, based on their history of inclusion of all family types, by the history of the demographics which built their brand and made HGTV what it is.”

    You don’t shoot your entire brand in the foot for the benefit of giving one show (which isn’t even unique programming) a chance.

  • My understanding is that most of those who “flip houses” aren’t selling them unaltered. The point of these programs, which already exist, is that they buy the house that’s in rough/unsightly condition, fix it up and then resell it, so it’s not an unnecessary middleman.

    I actually used to watch some of these shows and the focus is on the improvements made and still being under a budget where they could make a profit.

  • To me, there is something tawdry about ‘flipping’ houses, buying something that someone has lost, through economic hardship, and making a profit doing it. It defies ‘Christian’, profiting off another’s disaster. It almost serves them right. it’s like someone I once knew who put out religious tracts and Bibles in their payday loan offices.

  • persephone

    It’s the epitome of Calvinism.

  • Astrin Ymris

    “Improvements made under a budget where they could make a profit” still means that the homeowner could have contracted for those improvements themselves WITHOUT paying the upcharge that allows the Benham brothers to “make a profit”.

  • Ehhhh… maybe. Some homeowners? Yes. And they would be better served by searching out those slightly subpar houses and fixing them up. But most, I am sure, lack the time, experience, and skills to manage the task without it costing them far more than what a company like these brothers would manage.

    There’s also the matter of having the connections necessary to purchase some of these homes because of the conditions of their sale. Foreclosure auctions and the like. Some individuals can do this on their own. Most, though, cannot.

    Granted, it depends on the ones doing the “flipping”. There have been a few who have been little more than shysters. But I still tend to think that it’s more necessary than your words imply.

  • persephone

    I’m sure HGTV looked at the falling audience numbers for Duck Dynasty, considered their audience, and then decided that there was no point in investing any money in a show unlikely to succeed.

    Every year dozens of pilots are filmed in Hollywood. Most are never picked up. It’s up to the networks to decide where best to invest their money, and giving it to these haters is not the best choice for HGTV.

  • Astrin Ymris

    You’re correct that some newbies might wind up paying more renovating a “fixer-upper” than flippers like the Benham brothers would, even if you allow for the Benham brothers surcharge. A single bad contractor can wipe out all of the gain made by buying the house themselves.

    However, the “connections” argument is another example of how the Cult of Mammon has us hypnotized. Why shouldn’t ordinary Joes and Janes who want to buy a home be given a web address to a site listing all foreclosure auctions and the like, so that if they find a house that fits their needs, they can bid on it themselves?

    Then– if it’s NOT in good condition– they can find a reputable home renovation company (by checking BBB ratings) and pay THEM to fix it up to their specs. They may not wind up paying any LESS that way than by purchasing through a “flipper”, but– and this is an important point– they’ll get exactly the renovations THEY want, not what some marketing research guru says will “sell most quickly”.

    Now, I’d like to see a show about such a reputable home renovation company interacting with customers about how to turn their fixer-upper into a home they’ll love, working within the limits of their budget. Such a show might show the HRC educating the customers– and thus the audience– about designing for aging in place, handicap accessibility, and environmental considerations. Flippers– who are angling for a quick buck– aren’t likely to address such considerations.

    OR how to design homes so that housework is as quick and easy as possible. For some reason, I doubt that men who view housework as “women’s work” will be either knowledgeable or concerned about this aspect.

  • You make a very good argument for a different approach to the matter. I’d like to see that kind of program and I think there are various “renovation rescue” programs where contractors go in and help homeowners when “do it yourself” doesn’t work.

    The problem with simply leaving it in the hands of homebuyers is that many of them don’t have the time or training to navigate these sort of websites, and they ARE set up to be non-user-friendly. As for the BBB… sadly, it’s been shown that not even that is really helpful because companies can, and have in the past, purchased ratings from them.

    And the reason why most ordinary buyers can’t really compete in the foreclosure market is because of the way the mortgage market is arranged.

    But I *do* agree that all this is set up to perpetuate a system where the average homebuyer does not have the same tools as the commercial marketer, which is wrong. But that’s the way things are. Changing the system would be wonderful, but that takes energy that people are encouraged to fritter away on other things.

  • Saraquill

    I’m surprised that flipping houses is still a thing, considering the real estate crash.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    That was my thought. Many of the personalities on the network are gay and a whole lot of the audience is as well. The cynical side of me can only say this was a wise decision, ultimately, for HGTV. Anti-gay folks probably wouldn’t watch it much anyway due to the fact that it is such a non-“traditional” family friendly station.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    I didn’t even know people still did that, let alone they were starting a NEW show about it!

  • Allison the Great

    Yeah, if those two maniacs that are God and the Devil concern themselves with just sports and TV, then they have no time to punish us for our wicked ways by sending tornadoes, asteroids and causing nuclear war, lmfao. I see you’re another reader of Right Wing Watch, am I correct?

  • Allison the Great

    I find it highly implausible that those extremely anti-gay brothers did not know that HGTV was a gay friendly channel. I mean how the hell could anyone not know? Something tells me that they might have done this knowing full well that the subject of their other organizations and their bigotry would come up and that they’d be booted because of it. Given how much they’ve milked it, I would not be surprised if they planned it this way so they could have “evidence” that True Christians ™ are being “persecuted”. It see their reaching out to the gay friendly HGTV as channel for their potential show to be aired to be nothing more than a publicity stunt.

  • Trollface McGee

    Of course, RWW is the one place where I’m certain to get my daily entertainment and horror all in one place.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Re: “… I *do* agree that all this is set up to perpetuate a system where the average homebuyer does not have the same tools as the commercial marketer…”

    So why do we need a show glorifying the current, unfair system? The average viewer gains nothing that s/he can use from the Benham’s proposed show.

  • Because, sadly, this IS the system that we have to deal with and until the decision is made, by a wide proportion of the market, to change that system then it’s going to perpetuate itself in a thousand different ways. It’s like any other system, it’s going to reinforce itself in the minds of audiences. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it is.

    There are likely to be these sort of programs made in the future as well, because it’s popular and the audience they target like to watch the transformation of these houses from unsightly to beautiful. It’s the common transformation theme in stories. The marketing and such goes ignored except as far as “this house was unsellable” before to “people will fight to buy this house” afterwards.