Quoting Quiverfull: Redefining Patriarchy in a Good Way?

Quoting Quiverfull: Redefining Patriarchy in a Good Way? June 24, 2014

1. Keep himself accountable by living in fellowship and community with other believers.
2. He will be attentive and listen to the concerns/needs of his family.
3. He will recognize his human frailty and walk humbly, with a heart open to correction and change.
4. He will have a long-range vision for his children, considering their future, as well as present, needs.
5. He will invite other Godly men, and women, to help mentor his adult children.
6. He will operate out of faith (Abraham), not fear (Lot).
7. He will eventually work himself out of a job. His goal is ultimately to raise adults, not children.


Be sure to read the entire piece at Biblical Worldview plus Vaughn Ohlman has rewritten a rebuttal at True Love Doesn’t Wait – Father Rule

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

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Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement by Kathryn Joyce

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  • Nea

    I take it VO is pissy at the idea that children get to be treated with adult autonomy?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Well, you know Von. He thinks Dad rules it all.

  • Trollface McGee

    Yes, quite – I couldn’t even get through most of that post because I was too disgusted. The first few paragraphs of “lol, children have rights?” and “lol, why are they letting women ask questions?” was enough.

  • I gotta say… I really LIKE #7 on the list. Most definitely YES, the point is to eventually work yourself out of a job. I haven’t gotten the stomach to even attempt to read Vaughn’s “rebuttal”. Not sure I want to read the words of a tantrum-throwing toddler right now…

  • There was a lot I liked about the Israel Wayne article, but he still goes from the premise that parents choose spouses. As for his list for a good patriarch, nr. 1-4 an 6-7 counts for mothers too. I don’t like nr. 5 – It is not him who should invite mentors for his adult children. Adult children should choose their own mentors by what they want to learn. Nr. 5 seem not to 100% fit in with nr. 7 – work yourself out of a job – either.
    Vaughn – I don’t even want to go their and read him.

  • Father does know best, but wasn’t that series canceled way back in the 1950s?

  • KarenH

    As a total shock to pretty much no one, Vaughn’s got a whole subscription worth of issues.

  • I have serious doubt Patriarchy may be “redefined in a good way” at all, as its core teachings (father knows best, families are always more important than individuals) are the ultimate recipe for disaster.

  • Nea

    Someone needs to get it through his head that slavery is illegal.

  • Mel

    Oddly enough, VO’s analysis of the Bible passage is more honest than BW’s author. BW does a hatchet job on the story of Lot and is not a whole lot better with Abraham. I don’t agree with either VO’s or BW’s take-away from the stories, but VO isn’t pulling a Pearlian warp of the stories….

  • Trollface McGee

    At the heart of it, is still men being in charge because they were born with a Y chromosome.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    You know, that’s why I’ve never had a huge problem with what Von says because he’s honest in how he says it and straight forward. The usual gang of patriarchs? Not so much..

  • They forgot #8 on the list: “Every time a bell rings, an angel gets their wings.”

  • Allison the Great

    *German Freud accent* I diagnose him as having vat I call “Holy Daddy control issues”

  • Astrin Ymris

    I got the impression that Israel Wayne was being humorous in relating Lot and Abraham’s behavior to contemporary issues. VO doesn’t seem to have picked up on that.

  • Nea

    I’m faintly amused by this rush to redefine patriarchy now that all the big leaders are going down. It’s as if they think they can salvage something if they can throw enough glitter into the air to distract from the fact that patriarchy = men have privilege because penis and not patriarchy = That Privilege Those People Talk About But Not Thix One We Talk About

  • Nea

    Remember, this guy advocates for teen sex slavery. He dresses it up in pretty words, but it’s still teen sex slavery.

  • Trollface McGee

    What got me, is in the first few paragraphs, he says that a child(adult or not) owes unconditional obedience to the parent no matter what the parent does or is. So he’s saying that a child abuse victim is still owned by their father, for life and that not even marriage terminates a father’s right to own and command his children.
    I don’t care whether he can support it with the Bible or not, it’s evil.

  • Nea

    Everything that man says is immoral and evil, covered in self-righteous Bible sauce.

  • A child owes life-long unconditional obedience to the parent?
    A 50+ man owes obedience to his Alzheimer’s mother, regardless of what the command may be?
    A molested teen have to say yes to a molesting father?

  • Trollface McGee

    “The second violation of the meaning of patriarchy came from Mr. Wayne himself, who in his article basically said that if the parents earned the privilege, their child, when they were older, would seek them out for “wisdom, blessing and counsel” or “Biblical protection and guidance” but that if the parents didn’t earn this privilege “then anything that [they tried] to impose from the outside will only back-fire on [them] and cause even more bitterness, resentment and rejection.”

    Scripture teaches clearly that a father needs to be constantly teaching his children the importance of God’s Word, and guiding and instructing them in Godly wisdom. But the Scriptures also use the word ‘command’, and provides no legitimate ‘out’ for the child to ignore.”

    Certainly reads like that to me. (Though I think he’d ignore the Alzheimer’s mother, not because of the Alzheimer’s but because of the mother part).