Preparing To Be A Help Meet: The Prophet Part 2

Preparing To Be A Help Meet: The Prophet Part 2 July 2, 2014

by Mel cross posted from her blog When Cows and Kids Collide

In the next three chapters, I am covering portions of the chapter out of order because the information in each chapter is written in a chaotic style that zips about like a hummingbird in a hurricane.
In the last post, Debi dragged us through a theological swamp to explain how all men are created in one of three types which mimic the three-persons of the Trinity.  Today, we get to learn how The Prophet/Visionary Man / Holy Spirit’s image on Earth works.

“GOD IS A PROPHET AS SEEN IN HIS PERSON, THE HOLY SPIRIT.”

*stares blankly at the screen and reads the written portion aloud repeatedly*

A prophet is a human person who speaks the will of God.

If God is a prophet, that means there is another God out in the cosmos somewhere who we will get to know through the God who uses prophets on Earth.   That sounds like a really complicated system, but Debi’s already implied that God is not all-powerful, so perhaps multiple Gods need to band together to run things.

 “He made some men in the image of that part of his nature.” 

Let’s accept that statement as a premise for now.  My mom and dad would tell me stories about being confirmed in the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II.  At some point, they got to memorize two lists:  The Gifts of the Holy Spirit and the Fruits of the Holy Spirit.   My siblings and I, living in the degenerate times post Vatican II, never had to memorize the lists.  (For which we are grateful – that’s one of the gifts, right?  Or is it a fruit? Um…..)

Gifts of the Holy Spirit (based on Isaiah 11:2-3) are:

  • Wisdom
  • Understanding
  • Counsel
  • Fortitude
  • Knowledge
  • Piety
  • Fear of the Lord
Fruits of the Holy Spirit (based on Galatians 5:22-23) are:
Mel’s husband said he wanted to try and make a pie out of the Fruits of the Holy Spirit

 

So, logically, the Visionary men should be paragons of the Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit.  Let the counting begin!  Each example of a Gift/Fruit gets 1 point; each blatant lack of one gets a point taken away.

“Some of you will marry men who will be shakers, changers, and dreamers.  One word that describes them is Visionary.  They see what can be and seek to change things. The Prophet or Visionary is “the voice crying in the wilderness,” striving to change the ways things are done, or change how humanity is behaving or thinking.  Prophet-type men are street preachers, political activists, organizers and instigators of any front-line social issue.”

How about the men (and women) working to legalize homosexual marriage?  Would Debi see them as actors for the Holy Spirit?

“They love confrontation, and hate the status quo.”

That’s a +1 for fortitude, but – 1 for lack of peace and -1 for lack of gentleness.

“Good-hearted Prophets can be a lot of fun.  They are never Mr. Dull.  They can love with a passion and be aggressively loyal to their friends and family.  They can take the lead in calling the world to repentance and showing them a path of righteousness.”

Add +1 for joy, +1 for love, +1 for piety, and +1 for fear of the Lord.

“However, if they are not balanced, these Prophet/Visionary Types may get fanatically focused on one or two weird issues and, in the process upset the entire family.  (…) They may be extreme in their separation from the world. The issues they focus on may be serious and worthy of one’s commitment, but, in varying degrees, these men can have tunnel vision, tenaciously focusing on single issues.”


Ouch, that’s gonna hurt the point total.  Add -4 for lack of wisdom, lack of understanding, lack of counsel and lack of knowledge.  They are dinged -2 more for lack of self-control and another example of lack of peace.

“The upside of the Prophet/Visionary is his creativity and tenaciousness in the face of difficulty.”

+2 for patience and fortitude.

“The downside of the Prophet types is that if they are not wise, they can be real fools who push their agenda, forcing others to go their way. 
Good intentions don’t always keep Prophet types from causing great harm.  If they are not wise, they can stir up the pudding and end with toxic waste.”

– 8 for lacking wisdom, understanding, knowledge, counsel, self-control, gentleness, patience and peace.

(Side note: That’s one mixed metaphor involving pudding and toxic waste…)

That’s the end of general descriptions about the Prophet/Visionary types.  In terms of representing the Gifts/Fruits of the Holy Spirit, they earned a total of negative 10 points.  The men who in Debi’s own words represent the Holy Spirit….don’t actually represent the Holy Spirit.

Next topic: Specific examples of Prophet/Visionary Men in action….

Now, if you will excuse me, I have a sudden craving for a banana…..

AntiPearl:

Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion.

Mahatma Gandhi

 

 Introduction | Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 |Part 4 | Part 5 | Part 6 | 

Part 7 |  Part 8| Part 9 | Part 10

 

Read everything by Mel!

Mel is a science teacher who works with at-risk teens and lives on a dairy farm with her husband. She blogs at When Cows and Kids Collide

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  • Nea

    In other words, Debi Pearl thinks one of those semi-literate guys holding a homemade sign in one hand and a bible in the other standing on a college campus screaming at undergrads about birth control, homosexuality, and hell is the perfect illustration of a Visionary man.

    All righty then. (And still not held in as much contempt as a “Steady” man!)

  • Anonyme

    Oh, Lordy. Until very recently I used to live near a rural town in TX. On occasion I’d venture to the Wal-Mart for the basics. It’s a nice town, don’t get me wrong, but there were occasionally some stereotypical “backwoods” people. For about a year, one man parked at the edge of the WM parking lot in a ramshackle van with a whole lot of ‘Christian’ propoganda literally written all over it. He obviously went from place to place,”evangalizing”. During the day he’d stand out there and wave his huge hand-lettered sign the size of a billboard. JESUS LOVES YOU! BUT YOU’RE EVIL AND GOING TO HELL IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN HIM THIS INSTANT! (paraphrased). I was always so tempted to yell “STOP PERPETUATING THE MYTH THAT TEXAS IS RIFE WITH TEA PARTY RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS!”

  • Independent Thinker

    What a visionary man drives. http://bgeiger.net/photos/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=340&g2_serialNumber=2 Fortunately, they are easy to spot.

  • I still live in a rural town in Texas. My husband and his family are very QUICK to condemn those who are obvious with their hatred and prejudice. For some reason they don’t see just how dangerous, if more subtle, their *own* attitudes are for people who don’t agree with them for one reason or another. That just because they aren’t as bad as the “hardshell Baptists” that they’re better. It’s frustrating.

  • *looks at the photo*
    *jawdrops and leans toward the computer screen*
    Oh mah Gawd… if a person’s faith has to make THAT big a show, that’s courting the approval of other people, not God. As I recall, Jesus himself said, of these people, “verily, they have their reward”.

  • Nea

    …As do the Pearls, IMO. Right here in this world.

  • Nea

    Oh, they’re everywhere. I live near DC and see plenty of them at inaugurations and other special events. The atheist rally drew ’em like flies.

  • teaisbetterthanthis

    We have one of those where I’m going to grad school! He lectured me about giving thanks to god after I thanked him for holding a door for me. And he’s there all day several days each week.

    One of his favorite lectures (aside from the once-weekly SIN SIN SIN) is about “working for god”. I guess that means that he doesn’t need to have a paying job, and can thus shout at college students all day?

  • Rebecca Horne

    To be fair to the theology, that complicated “god as a prophet” system was actually (sort of) a part of some ancient pantheons. Both the Egyptian and Canaanite pantheons include a “king of the gods” sort of god (Ra and Baal, respectively) but then also a distant creator, who’s basically the god of the gods (Amun and El). So, you know, that’s never been part of the Christian worldview, but…it does exist? So, 1/4 of a point to Debi for accidentally making something up that sort of has precedent.

  • Independent Thinker

    That guy is from my hometown but I knew photos of that car had been blasted all over the internet. I know first hand the results of a visionary man left unchecked. Fortunately, my husband things stereotyping men into categories is dumb.