Let’s Out the Poisonous Ideas/Scriptures in the Quiverfull & Patriarchal Movements?

Let’s Out the Poisonous Ideas/Scriptures in the Quiverfull & Patriarchal Movements? October 6, 2014

Burning-book-001by Suzanne Titkemeyer

Greetings! I am currently on the road, driving down in the deep south to see relatives and being exposed to a capacious amount of ridiculously bad ideas Fundamentalist Christianity has to offer. This morning I was telling Vyckie Garrison of driving through rural Mississippi, hitting search on my car radio and coming up with ten different Christian radio stations in a row. I was stuck listening to them for a few hours and was struck by some of the ideas put forward and flouted as ‘The Truth’ that are just dangerous to a person.

One of the things that Vyckie did that I haven’t worked up the courage to do is that she burned a Bible. I am not ready to do that, but I am ready to pull out those scriptures that harm us and burn them, write down some of the bad ideas I heard this week and put those on the barbeque pit to light up.

One of the worst ones that I heard yesterday that I would like to fire up is “God allows things like bankruptcies, divorce and other disasters to happen to get your attention to turn you to worshiping Him”

What type of ‘God’ has to injure you to make you pay attention to Him and would He even be worth following?

I’d add that one and most of Titus to my fire pit and plan on doing this symbolically when I get home as a healing ritual. Why scriptures or Christian thoughts or mythology would you burn if you had the chance, that you think are just toxic?

Suzanne is an empty nester lives near Washington DC with her husband, cats and various rescue birds. She works at a residential treatment center for children and is also the administrator of NLQ. Was raised Catholic in South Louisiana before falling in with a bunch of fallen Catholics whom had formed their own part Fundamentalist, part Evangelical church. After fifteen uncomfortable years drinking that Koolaid she left nearly 7 years ago. Her blogs are True Love Doesn’t Rape and Seeking The Light

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  • KarenH

    I highly recommend Sirius/XM for long road trips 🙂

  • One of the worst ones that I heard yesterday that I would like to fire up is “God allows things like bankruptcies, divorce and other disasters to happen to get your attention to turn you to worshiping Him”

    I have heard a variation of this so many times this year. We’ve had a lot of loss in our family, and as the only “out” nonbeliever most of them know, I consistently heard the refrain that he was trying to get my attention. It’s fucked up…pardon my french.

  • Nea

    “God allows things like bankruptcies, divorce and other disasters to happen to get your attention to turn you to worshiping Him”

    Wow. Just wow. “I hurt you so you’ll adore me.” When has that EVER worked?

  • Astrin Ymris

    It’s not surprising that domestic abuse is so pervasive in CPM culture– God is described as an abuser.

  • Evelyn

    A big chunk of my healing started when a clergyman (different church from the one that promoted/accepted the abuse) looked at me and said, “God is a gentle lover. He never forces, only invites.”

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    *Their* version of God is described as an abuser, likely because they are so very attached to the scripture that says Man was made in God’s image. They are a certain way and were made just like God, thus, God is that way.

    My God isn’t at all abusive. He’s patient, forgiving, and loving. And he doesn’t demand that anyone believe or follow him “or else”. He gives us choices. I’m not even sure that there’s a hell like the CPMs and Dante have visualized. Hell is more like…having to be alone when you die and whatever your soul becomes after your body starts reverting to carbon…that energy being kept from the next stage is where hell is.

  • Baby_Raptor

    I was told once that my 14 year long problem with self-injury was so that I could have one breakdown at age 28 and one of my partners would have the opportunity to use my pains and problems to learn how to “respond in a godly manner” to such things.

    Said partner is now an ex, and either way was never a Christian.

  • Someone close to me had a relatively late miscarriage–well into the second trimester–and it was somehow so that God could show me the way back…

    Nope. Apparently he is terrible with directions? I dunno.

    I’m sorry you went through that. No one’s pain should be viewed as someone else’s lesson.

  • lodrelhai

    I had to dump the concept that a loving god was all-knowing and all-powerful. Those concepts do not, can not, mesh with a loving god. The mental dissonance was just too much.

    Of course, once I dumped “all-knowing” and “all-powerful,” I kinda had to re-evaluate my definition of “god”…

    PartiallyClips pretty much encapsulates my current mindframe. The birds are missing the actual answer. Their goddess may be kind and good, may provide them with food, may be capable of all kinds of things they can’t even imagine – but she’s just a more capable being. She doesn’t control the cat, or them. She just does things that benefit them because she enjoys it. And she can’t do a thing about the other god across the street who cut down their nesting tree (for reasons that made perfect sense to the god but the birds cannot comprehend), or the young god 4 blocks away who thinks it’s funny to throw rocks and watch the birds fly away.

  • B.A.

    LOVE your second paragraph. I think of God the same way. I
    do believe we were created in His image,but in a positive way,NOT a negative one. He is not an abuser,as you pointed out, and he didn’t create Man to be one,either.

  • B.A.

    Me too! I love it. That,and some really great CD’S.(Yes,I’m old school.)

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    In my view, God is genderless. Was his son a man when he was here? Of course, how would he fit into the binary setting of humanity otherwise? In a way that people would listen, that is…back then, being a man gave him the opportunity to run around the countryside without the same limitations they had for women. It’s the message we’re supposed to be focused on, not the genital configuration.

    There is a certain tendency towards identifying oneself as like those who are ‘leaders’ or hold power – it gives a person who does this a feeling like they might one day be a ‘leader’ or hold power too. What better way to perpetuate the CPM world view than to identify oneself as being like God. They just don’t see it as blowhard nonsense, it excuses their bad behavior, and it’s the last thing that God or his son would want to be associated with their message.

  • B.A.

    I wrote “he” out of habit. I also believe God is genderless

  • Astrin Ymris

    Sorry I haven’t answered before this– it just that composing a post that explains my concept of God was too intimidating to tackle.

    However, it just occured to me that I can just share the Cliff Notes version: I believe that God exists and God is good. I don’t know what the plan is for after we die; I just have faith that it’s loving and not sadistic.

    Inverting that Christian bumper sticker claim that “I don’t have enough faith to be a an atheist”, I sometimes say, “I’m a Pagan, because I have TOO MUCH faith to be a Christian!” ;-D

    Note: No offense is intended to any Christians– I just think that not-enough-faith-to-be-an-atheist argument is based on specious reasoning.