Quoting Quiverfull: Homeschool Because Gays and Muslims?

Quoting Quiverfull: Homeschool Because Gays and Muslims? October 29, 2014

gayteacherby Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies – Do We Have Our Heads In The Sand?

Notice that Nancy does not once bring up the word ‘homeschooling’ yet every point she brings up seems to lead right to homeschooling as the only way. Coded language. Heaven forfend some Arab or Gay teach her children!

She also doesn’t mention if she feels the same way about educating her abandoned adopted African children. Where are those kids now?

Are we aware of the accelerating of the indoctrination in our public schools away from everything that relates to God and family. Or do we have our heads in the sand? Islam is now taught in many of our schools, but the Bible, the Ten Commandments, and prayer are out! One of our children’s textbooks says, “I bear witness that there is no God but Allah.” Some history books teach that Muslims discovered America and that Jerusalem is an Arab city. That’s just some of the “history” that students in America’s K-12 classrooms have been taught in recent years–with the help of taxpayer money.

And what about the gay agenda which is radically and subtly becoming more and more part of the school agenda? Liberal educators teach students that being a homosexual is not much different from being left-handed. They are encouraged to be “open-minded” and try this lifestyle before deciding their preferred sexual orientation. This is only tip of the iceberg of what is happening while we merrily go along our way.

Every father and mother is vigilant in protecting the physical bodies of their children. But what about their souls and spirits? As Bible-believing parents, how can we send our precious children into this system, a second home away from home, to be indoctrinated against all that we believe? Don’t we want them to have an education that affirms and enforces what we believe?

The psalmist stated in Psalm 119:30 “I have chosen the way of truth.” I am sure this is also your testimony. But are we choosing“the way of truth” for our children? If so, we’ll be rescuing them from this system where they are subtly indoctrinated in a humanistic and atheistic agenda.

We go back to the first Psalm to find who God blesses: “Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, not stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night” (ESV). Every day children sit in the seat of scoffers in our public schools. You can’t find one mention of God’s Word, let alone delighting in it, in all the hours they spend there each day, each week, and each year.

Psalm 1 tells us what happens to the wicked counselors. They are like the chaff that the wind drives away. They will not stand in the time of judgment, and their way ends in destruction (Psalm 1:4, 5). Why send our children to receive counsel that will be blown away like the wind? Instead, bring them home where they can be filled with the truth that “lives and abides forever”(Matthew 24:35; 1 Peter 1:23; and 1 John 2:17).

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Trollface McGee

    Parents! Do you know your children are being taught information in schools? Why, they are even teaching them that not everyone is the same and that there are different cultures and lifestyles out there! They even refuse to stick to right-wing talking points and instead, teach facts! That’s right, FACTS!
    As Bible-believing Christians, we need to keep our kids ignorant and brainwashed because otherwise, they might become teh atheists or worse, Christians with a different interpretation of the Bible.

  • I…is she just making this shit up as she goes along? I mean…really? Does she even believe what she writes? Can anyone really believe that massive a load of BS?

  • Saraquill

    Perhaps Nancy Campbell outsources her writing to a warehouse of monkeys with typewriters?

  • BlueVibe

    Seriously, I wish that were the explanation.

    I want to know where all these schools are that are teaching Islam and, uh, gay-ness. Not because I care, but because I want proof they exist. I can only assume that heir FFA program includes raising unicorns and chupacabras.

    Also, since she’s not involved in the public school system–how would she know? Right. I didn’t think so.

  • Nightshade

    Context, Nancy…One of our children’s textbooks says, “I bear witness that there is no God but Allah.” There’s a difference between describing what Muslims believe, and telling kids they are supposed to believe it. One can repeat Ted Bundy’s words to describe the kind of person he was without becoming a serial killer. Not calling Muslims serial killers or anything, and no insult intended to an entire race/religion/whatever, just making a point.

  • I dunno. I think the monkeys would do a better job.

  • Anonyme
  • Mermaid Warrior

    Last semester I took a “Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries” class where we learned about hoaxes and conspiracy theories. I heard all sorts of crazy shit but never heard the thing about Muslims discovering America. She’s just making shit up to scare people, not even trying to prove her statements, because her followers will just believe her. :p

    Most American sex education sucks, so I really doubt that many schools are addressing homosexuality. Maybe in super liberal areas, perhaps.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Some schools (definitely not all) have started to attempt to educate – I know, at schools! – students in regards to not bullying their classmates because they are gay, whether it’s through starting a gay-straight alliance group or the new “coming out day/week”, etc.

    I’m gonna just throw this out there, but I bet Nancy thinks that transgendered students are just the gheys who like to dress up.

    I want to get a bullhorn and find out her address, so I can stand on the sidewalk starting at the same time as they allow leafblowers and construction to begin for the day and ask her what she did with her foreign children, and demand to know why she insists on her status of expert on how to raise kids when she won’t tell us what she did with hers.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    I want a warehouse with monkeys! ….thinks for a minute….ok, better make that a warehouse full of goats. I can handle constantly putting new buttons on my clothes, but I don’t want to worry constantly about whether or not I should duck to avoid flung poo.

  • So … talk to your kids and teach them your values at home? Teach them to think critically about everything they think and hear and learn? Sheltering your kids from every little thing you disagree with is bound to backfire.

  • Trollface McGee

    The whole “discovering America” thing is stupid anyway. It totally eliminates the existence of native cultures, civilisations and cities.
    The first Europeans to reach the continent were the Vikings, who had their asses handed to them by the locals and had to retreat.
    Some Muslim countries had good navies but most of the sea trade was within the Mediterranean, or with Africa or South-East Asia/India. There’s some speculation that there were voyages that reached America in the 12th century but little evidence for it, and since they were looking for trade partners, no reason to stick around if they had.
    One of the most famous Chinese explorers was the 14th century Uighur Muslim Zheng He and there is some speculation that he travelled to America, but again the evidence isn’t that persuasive.

  • Trollface McGee

    I think she’d love him(in a platonically heterosexual way of course)

    “No religion should be taught at school. In their paper it says Allah is their only God. That’s insulting to me as a Christian who believes in just Jesus only,”

    “They should also say to you, ‘in history, your son is going to learn about Islam,’ send out a letter.”

    My brain hurts….

  • katiehippie

    ” They are encouraged to be “open-minded” and try this lifestyle before deciding their preferred sexual orientation”

    I really don’t think this is how it works. A little education might help her out.

  • Trollface McGee

    We learned about Islam in school. It’s standard in most world history classes to teach about Islam and the 5 pillars when learning about the Islamic world – which is what I suspect the problem is… they don’t want their kids exposed to the fact that these people exist and that 1.6 billion people don’t spend most of their time beheading people.
    Gayness was never covered in my school, which is a shame. It’s confusing when you’re different, you know you’re different and all talk of sexuality makes it so you don’t exist. I hope things are different now, and at least some schools are teaching the gayness.

  • That was well over ten years ago for me… we knew that Islam existed but since most of it was before 911, that’s all we knew. Before that, the biggest fear about Islam was about black prisoners converting to it instead of Christianity.

  • Independent Thinker

    “Liberal educators teach students that being a homosexual is not much different from being left-handed.” Teachers don’t pick their curriculum Nancy. Curriculum is mandated by the federal and state government. The teachers are required to teach what is mandated. They don’t get to wing it in the classroom.

  • Astrin Ymris

    I think there have been schools who’ve added “sexual orientation” to their anti-bullying programs– which has REALLY riled True Christians™. “Our children have a right to bully gay students! How else can we intimidate our own LGBT kids into remaining closeted?”

    Another was a proposed rule to include the actual sexual orientation of historical figures in history class. THAT generated a lot of hysteria as well. Heaven forfend that their kids learn how many actual gay people there are– not to mention that they were functional, sometimes heroic, influential and ACCEPTED during the purportedly more pious and moral past!

  • Oh yes, Ms. Campbell, there are so many queer Muslim anti-Christian teachers out there, ready to launch a “love jihad” against your holy, godly, Christ-y family…
    Beware, holy woman!

  • BlueVibe

    OK, no–we had none of that. I mean, I knew about it from outside sources, but it was definitely not taught in school. I haven’t been in the public school system in nearly twenty years, though.

  • gimpi1

    ” One of our children’s textbooks says, “I bear witness that there is no God but Allah.” Some history books teach that Muslims discovered America and that Jerusalem is an Arab city.”

    Citation oh so desperately needed. Also context. For instance, is the textbook a book on comparative religion, talking about Islamic beliefs? Is this ‘history book’ talking about myths?

    “They are encouraged to be “open-minded” and try this lifestyle before deciding their preferred sexual orientation.”

    Again, citation profoundly needed. Since Mrs. Campbell doesn’t bother to back up any of her claims, anyone with any sort of real education will assume she’s blowing smoke. But, I suppose people having that education is exactly what she’s upset about.

  • gimpi1

    I prescribe a shot of good brandy administered hourly until you obtain relief.

    I may join you…

  • Baby_Raptor

    So what were the bogeymen before Obama was President? Neither Muslims nor LGBTs were hated that badly until within the past ~8 years.

  • Joy

    *gasps* What?! Facts?! No, we can’t have facts being taught! Why, that’s against my religion!!

  • gimpi1

    Exactly. There’s some evidence for several European explorations in the Americas before the late 15th century. Good evidence for the Norse. Spotty evidence for the Chinese. Would it upset Mrs. Campbell if we found good evidence of an early Islamic presence in the Americas? Why?

  • Anonyme

    Now, don’t be so quick to judge! When I was in community college (for an office tech certification that taught me…nothing), some Muslim students started a Muslim students club. The very next day, they made us all pledge to blow up America and had every woman wear a burqua 😉 . There was a gay professor, too, and that very semester, all the guys caught “teh gay”! 😛

    Actually, the Muslim students club was open to anyone no matter what religion they followed (or didn’t follow)–it was an opportunity to understand Islam.

    And the “gay professor” was one of the most amazing people I ever met. He taught a public speaking class and his method of teaching really helped me learn how to speak up and speak out with conviction. His debate team won many awards and he was one of the best-liked guys on campus. Two years ago, this professor died of unknown causes…while people like Bill Gothard, the Pearls, etc. still live to carry out their abusive ways and toxic beliefs.

  • I actually remember reading something about the Islamic quote case. It was one line given as an example sentence on grammatical structures, not a statement of endorsement either way. It was simply presenting the words for their grammatical structure. Something about pronoun use, as I understand.

    I don’t have a reference for the article, though, I’m sorry.

    As for the other one… I cannot imagine ANY educator actually suggesting that their students “try out” any sexual orientation at all. Hell, most educators with this “Abstinence Only” sex education are pretty well forcing the practice of *Asexuality* down their unwilling throats, so I don’t think the Gay/Lesbian angle is THAT much of a danger.

  • Ahhh, but didn’t you know? There’s no such thing as a platonic heterosexual relationship! This is why women cannot be allowed to work outside the home because they might come in contact with men who aren’t the one that owns them and then Teh SECKS might happen!

    *choke* *gag*

  • If it weren’t for my medications, I’d consider joining the both of you for that treatment regimen.

  • Trollface McGee

    Because it would show that we aren’t the speshul #1 civilisation of some Arabs could beat us at something.

  • B.A.

    Let’s make a party of it!

  • B.A.

    They’re a lot smarter than Nancy-poo,that’s for sure.

  • B.A.

    May I join you? :-p

  • Trollface McGee

    I think the same Islamophobia/homophobia was there, just not taken to 11 as it is now and of course there were the wimminz with their feminism and immigrants. The very blatant racism died down in the 80s, which is around the time anti-Semites became fond of “Judeo-Christian” values.

  • B.A.

    Unfortunately,LGBTs have been discriminated against for many,many YEARS. There was no civil protection,they were fired from their jobs,famous actors had to stay in the closet,they weren’t allowed to teach in public schools,they were killed in Nazi concentration camps,there were sodomy laws in my state–I could go on. I’m showing my age (again!) but I remember how it was.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Absolutely! ….Just bring your own caffeine! I don’t like to share my coca-cola.

  • Mermaid Warrior

    I like how they have to make shit up because otherwise, they can’t justify keeping their kids at home to shelter them.

  • Mermaid Warrior

    My “world history” class was pretty lousy. (this wasn’t even in a hardcore conservative area. Conservative, but not fundamentalist or psychotic) We studied ancient Egypt, then it was Europe, Europe, Europe, Europe. There were other chapters in the book about other places but the teacher skipped those. She said that if it wasn’t for the hurricane cancelling school for a week, we would’ve done the Islam chapter but I didn’t really believe her. I think Japan shows up to get bombed but then leaves.

    Up until 9th grade, I thought “Islam” was the name of a country. (shut up) I learned that on the internet. Later that year, my world geography class actually covered Islam (other students were also surprised to learn that it wasn’t the name of a country) as well as non-Europe places and cultures, so I was pretty happy. (especially considering that the class was taught by a coach. They’re required to teach some classes or something, so they’re usually given “easy” subjects. In these classes, I don’t usually expect much)

  • Mermaid Warrior

    Personally I’m wondering how she feels about teaching that the group we call Native Americans were the first ones in America. And that the ancestors likely came from Asia.

  • Trollface McGee

    And yet isn’t this exactly what we tell gay kids? “It’s just a phase.” “You haven’t met the right person yet” “Be more open-minded”
    At least that’s what I was told, and no, it’s not how it works.

  • Trollface McGee

    Mine wasn’t great, it was very, very basic, and this was the “advanced” class.. so meh. But I guess it wasn’t that bad, we covered the Middle East, Egypt, Rome, Europe, Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, so pretty comprehensive – except we skipped all of East Asia for some reason which meant that as a young history nerd, I had to learn it on my own and remain a Chinese history buff to this day thanks to that omission.

  • Mermaid Warrior

    This. A kid who grows up overly sheltered can very easily resent their parents later on for being fed lies and misinformation. The younger generation of conservatives is much more pro-gay than the older one, in large part because these kids have seen and met real, open gay people and realized that, hey, these people are normal. Not scary, not out to drink your blood or give you AIDS or destroy Christianity. Unless you’re willing to completely delude yourself, it’s hard to make generalizations about an entire group of people when you’ve become acquainted with an individual or two.

  • Mermaid Warrior

    The Muslim club at my university has the BEST bake sales. I resent them for not doing these bake sales more frequently. Mostly they do informational booths and pamphlets and shit where you can ask questions and they try to tell people that no, it’s not an evil religion.

  • Baby_Raptor

    I thought women couldn’t have platonic relationships with other women, either? Debi says that’s how lesbianism starts.

  • Astrin Ymris

    That’s why the older generation wants all LGBTs fully closeted again.

  • Jenny Islander

    “Likely?” Before the Soviets got all Iron Curtain-y about the subject, Alaska Natives regularly traveled across the Bering Sea to trade, get married, or just visit relatives–and vice versa. There are still speakers of at least one Alaska Native language on formerly Soviet territory. There was a trade network all the way from China to California long before Bering “discovered” Alaska; it was just run by people who went a couple villages over in a small boat, then traded with somebody who then went a couple villages further over in his small boat, et cetera, except that sometimes “a couple villages over” meant “go thataway over open water a couple hundred miles.”

  • That too, sadly. Basically, there is no such thing as a platonic relationship with ANYONE, which sucks for them and convinces me that they are FAR too obsessed with Teh Secks for their own good. I have plenty of platonic friendships and they are beautiful things.

  • teaisbetterthanthis

    The Muslim Student Association here had an evening info session, with educational “tables” (I only had time for one and went to the hijab table), held a prayer, then fed everyone VERY good food. Plus they were all quite friendly.

    I’d make sure I was wearing something with sleeves (out of respect), but I’d definitely stop in on one of their events again.

  • Sharla Hulsey

    Can’t put that genie back in the bottle, and more’s the better.

  • Astrin Ymris

    I’ve said it before and I’ll stand by it– the Religious Right advanced the cause of LGBT acceptance through their massive hissy fit over same sex marriage far more than if they’d accepted the separation of church and state in the first place. They brought the issue to the world’s attention in a HUGE way, and got people to think about it. Thinking about it brought public acceptance of Marriage Equality.

    I could almost feel sorry for them if it weren’t for the mean-spiritedness of their intial motivation.

  • Sharla Hulsey

    I think you are right. I hate to wish ill on anyone, but it is sort of fun to watch their hissy fit blow up in their faces.

  • “I resent them for not doing these bake sales more frequently.”

    It’s their secret plan to paint all non-Muslims as irritable violent extremists. Don’t give in!!!!

  • B.A.

    That’s fine! I don’t like to share my Cherry Coke,either. 🙂

  • Actually, I would be ECSTATIC for a queer Muslim teacher, especially one as articulate and fair-minded as Irshad Manji –


  • B.A.

    In my part of the country,they called it “Family values”. It means anti-abortion,anti-feminist,anti-gay,etc. Same idea. They might call it ‘Judeo-Christian,but they still hate Jews. When my great-uncle first came to Atlanta in the ’20s,he was beaten up by the KKK,who pretty much ran the whole state of Ga. back then,just for being Jewish. But my uncle got the last laugh by living until nearly 95.
    Interestingly,some of my more tolerant and open-minded Christian friends use the term Judeo-Christian,but in an inclusive,positive,and not anti-Semitic way. Maybe they were taught differently?

  • Trollface McGee

    Interesting. I’ve never heard anyone open-minded use that term. It’s usually to mean “not Muslim,” or “I’m not trying to be anti-Semitic” or “I support everything the Israeli government does” when I hear it – so they must have been taught or exposed to stuff I haven’t been.
    I remember the ‘family values’ thing being popular too, but they only seemed to value the really hateful and bigoted families.

  • That_Susan

    Schools are definitely better, safer places for LGBTQ students than they were in the past. That said, my lesbian teen daughter has encountered more homophobic attitudes, and also more fundamentalist Christian “You’re going to hell” attitudes, since starting school a little over a year ago than she ever encountered during her years as a liberal homeschooler.

    We’re part of a secular homeschooling group and a Unitarian Universalist church, and when dd realized she was gay at age 13, it made perfect sense to her to just come right out about it to everyone, including her new classmates. She started public school at 13, just a few weeks after determining that she was indeed gay, and she has done an awesome job of just being who she is and rolling with the punches.

    There has been some negative feedback, but the positive greatly outweighs the negative. The freedom to be yourself greatly outweighs the pain of having one out of four parents say they don’t want their daughter at your birthday sleepover.

    In dd’s case, it seems like homeschooling has made her a bit freer to be herself than the average non-straight teen girl. It seems like the girls who’ve been in school from an early age aren’t quite as comfortable as dd is with standing out.

    She’s hoping that she can get a gay-straight alliance group started at her school, and I think she’s also a good voice for accuracy during the school’s LifeGuard group, which seems to be somewhat hetero and abstinence-leaning. She watches Laci Greene videos a lot, so she corrected the leader when he said that condoms had a much higher failure rate, in terms of both pregnancy and STD prevention, than what she’d learned from Laci.

    When the leader argued with her about it, she commented that lesbians were also capable of having sex in ways that didn’t involve any exchange of bodily fluids. I was there because they had this conversation at her parent-teacher conference, and he looked like he had no clue what she was talking about. It’s kind of sad if sex-ed is your life’s work and you’re not comfortable or knowledgeable about all kinds of sex. But at least he has a previous homeschooler in his class to help him out!