Quoting Quiverfull: Influencing a Nation?

Quoting Quiverfull: Influencing a Nation? November 28, 2014

mothersby Nancy Campbell of Above Rubies – A Mother’s Creed

Another screed by Nancy insisting you stay home and birth them babies or else. A little grandiose of an idea that raising your children is influencing a nation, isn’t it?

I am not languishing. I am not deceived. I have a vision. I know who I am and who God created me to be. I know my purpose. I am walking in the perfect will of God. I know it’s not easy, but I’ve counted the cost. My goal is set. How could my career be easy when I am influencing a nation for God, generations to come–and eternity?

How can it be easy when I am destroying the plans of the devil? Such is the power of my God-mandated career, the highest calling ever given to women—motherhood. I have embraced my calling. I am not intimidated by my antagonists. I will not be moved. My heart is fixed.

I may be hidden in my home, but look out world! I am sharpening my arrows. I am getting them ready to shoot forth and destroy the adversary. In the power and anointing of God, I am advancing God’s Kingdom.

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  • Antoinette Herrera

    Well, that was…disturbing. Is Nancy Campbell talking about raising a family, or creating a militia? I’m blown away by the hostility.

  • persephone

    Both.

  • Mel

    Let’s see….

    Nancy Campbell has ‘influenced’ her immediate family, the adopted kids she abandoned and some number of grandkids. Rounding up, I’ll give her (an extremely generous) 200 direct disciples due to her staying at home for 40 plus years.

    I taught for 8 years in public schools and 0.5 years at the college level so far. I’ll give myself credit for helping 30 kids a year graduate high school and start a career which is an (very conservative) estimate of 240 Americans who don’t ascribe to her belief system and are far more educated and competent than her family. Plus, I’ll take credit for at least 20 of the 48 students I am teaching right now completing a BA or BS within 5 years. I highly doubt many (if any) of them would find her beliefs compelling. So that’s 260 for me in 8.5 years. Assuming a rate of 10 kids per year for the remainder of my career, I rack up another 315 students.

    200 for Nancy; 575 for me. Do the CP/QF adherents really understand how long they would have to keep up the militant fecundity to catch up, let alone pass, mainstream Americans? Especially since the CP/QF folk are very poor at converting mainstream Americans into the fold and very good at losing believers back to mainstream USA…

  • Nea

    And then they grow up into… their own people with their own choices. The ones who get to grow up — where are your missing “arrows”?

  • Nea

    I wish I could up vote this more than once. Math. It’s not on their side.

  • Evelyn

    Yeah, kids don’t count unless they become ideological carbon copies of the parents. Yuck. I have only managed three kids, but they will grow up as thinkers and doers according to their own choices, with plenty of real world experience.

  • Saraquill

    Campbell, if baby making is your career why are you wasting precious hours away from your flock to produce printed drivel?

  • Saraquill

    (tease) Math is heathen work! You can tell because the numerals are Arabic!

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    (mental picture: a house full of women with a rabid case of the babies, affecting each and every one of them…) m’rgency kitten please!

    I made the mistake of going out to do a little shopping last night and someone called me a Jezebel because I wasn’t properly covered up or being led around by a man like I was livestock and owned. Of course wearing jeans and a fitted sweater that showed cleavage is so terrible and slutty! Nancy is the sort who would have agreed with the name-caller, to which I’d like to mention that I could assemble an army of men with the right motivations so she can just jump off a bridge with her judgy self.

    If you ask me it was because she didn’t appreciate that the man she was with was staring so obviously. Next time she should put those blinders on him that they use for horses to keep them from freaking out around people in large groups.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    The level of belligerence in that passage still disturbs me.

  • MizzKittay

    The thing that really gets my goat with her posts is this… she expects others to go forth and do this or that. I’ll just stay at home and raise babies but those babies will do the things. That’s called living through your children and it robs them of their own will and dreams and visions. It can also leave them feeling empty.

    Many psychiatrists (Dr. Phil comes to mind) says that your children shouldn’t have a job when their born. It’s not their job to save your marriage or to give you love because you feel empty. Having a baby won’t solve your marriage troubles. Having a baby won’t make you feel loved because babies demand love they don’t give it.

    News flash Nancy: As a parent your job is to prepare your children to survive in the world. Not to accomplish the things YOU couldn’t do because YOU chose to settle down and make babies.

  • MizzKittay

    Not to be rude but I don’t think you made the mistake.

    It was a jealous chick. Next time give those twins a mini work out with some slight bounce. Really make him notice. Than wink maliciously at the girl. I mean if your going to be accused of being a Jezebel, it would be rude not to vindicate her… right?

    Sorry I’m blatantly pot stirring. Hopefully all in good fun though. Her hubby staring at you is an issue between them but you unfortunately took the blame because they’re marriage likely couldn’t take the strain of a “civil discussion”

  • Astrin Ymris

    This doesn’t mean we should be complacent. They have some millionaires who like the idea of being aristocrats ruling over a nation of poorly-educated peasants– and they’re trying to use their bought-and-paid-for politicians to kill the internet as we know it, and turn it into a marketing tool under their control.

    Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Nancy’s theological beliefs are identical to “delusions of grandeur and persecution”.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Oh don’t worry about the pot stirring, I was thinking along the same lines about giving him a real ‘show’, but too much jiggle in the bra and I pop out of it which isn’t the best for G cups. So I settled for swinging my hips a little more than they normally have – I can’t help the way I walk, but I’ve stopped apologizing for it, and complainers could always stop looking! 🙂 It bums me out a bit though that there are people who blame others who simply are there existing near them for deficiencies in their relationships.

    Still, it was kind of a mistake to go shopping last night…people were practically trampling over each other trying to get in to grab stuff…it would have been a shame to die because I went and tried to buy a few things to wear while the selection was still good. 😛 Luckily most of the crowd was still piling up their carts (I went to Target) with things so once I made it alive to checkout I was out of there pretty quick.

  • Mel

    I’m not trying to minimize the damage the CP/QF ideology is doing – especially to their adherents. But for the average John/Jane Doe who believes in this ideology, the chances of out-breeding the enemy is very, very low.

    If I get a few minutes of down time, I’ve been meaning to look at the math done by Botkin because I’m pretty sure he did the math incorrectly – both in terms of the formulas he used and the assumptions he made.

  • MizzKittay

    LOL. Good on you!!! Nothing is sexier than some self confidence.

    Oh, you meant the mistake of going shopping. I misunderstood so I apologize. I thought you were referring to the “mistake” in your choice of clothes. As if you took her advice to heart. I’m totally glad to be corrected on that one 🙂

    Glad you survived shopping too. I’ve heard of people dying because they’re all piling up and shoving each other. Squishing to death.

    Hope you got some nice finds 🙂

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    I did manage to get a few tops for $8 each and two sweaters for $14 each – I love Target for buying tops and such, it allows me to update my wardrobe with new trends without costing me a fortune. Most of the time where I’m at in California, they have things set up so that nobody will get crushed in the initial surge of people trying to enter and I noticed several extra security guards outside too. It’s inside the store with people trying to get to the electronics and toys that worries me. Getting one of the giant tv’s for the sale price shouldn’t be that important you know?

    I have been thinking about what that lady said a lot – not only did she call me a Jezebel but she followed up with a vague reference about bad things happening to whores of Babylon…it bothered me but I didn’t think it would be worth the effort to actually stop and say something that would more than likely turned into me giving a full monologue about rape culture and why I’m not responsible for what other people do only the person who is doing something is…Now I’m thinking did I miss a teachable moment or was it better to just ignore and walk with hips-a-swinging away.

  • Nea

    Maybe that’s part of the emphasis on homeschooling; making it easier to cook the books. I’ve seen some truly dubious number crunching to “prove” that a two-career family is worse off than a single provider family.

  • Nea

    Not to mention what a friend of mine called “delusions of significance.”

  • MizzKittay

    So glad you got some neat finds 🙂 It’s so awesome when you can get some cute stuff that’s easy on the wallet. It sure lifts the spirits. I hope you have fun with your new purchases. Y’know do the girly thing mix ‘n’ matching and all. 🙂

    Yeah, this time of year (Black Friday and Christmas) people tend to get a little crazy. Happy that your local stores are taking some precautions. It’s really sensible of them. I agree though buying that new giant tv shouldn’t be a life or death experience.

    Wow, just wow… That’s a good question. It’s obvious that your heart is in the right spot. That’s truly humbling. I’m so glad you could look past the hurt and even think of doing something like that. I surely wouldn’t be able to I’d be stuck on her rudeness and that’s when the fight would start. To be honest I’ve tried reaching fundies before (though on the LGBT topic) I’ve done it in private and quoted so many Scripture about love and about jesus not being judgemental and eating with tax collectors and the whole 9 yards. I made sure to do it in a tender way. Still though it only caused me grief and I don’t want to see the same for you. I got bible gang banged pretty hard so I don’t recommend it. That being said you seem like such a strong woman and can see past the hurt so… the choice is yours. If you think your strong enough to handle whatever toxin she might spew at you then go for it. Kind of got to remember that these people are extreme. If they listen to Nancy Campbell they might see you as “preaching a religion of tolerance” or a “watered down version of the gospel.” or whatever other nasty quip they’ve stored in the back of their heads for an opportunity like that. To be honest (again lol) I think you did the right thing and walked away the bigger person.

  • B.A.

    Same here.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    It’s taken me years to get to the point I’m at, and I had to go through more than a few difficult and/or challenging experiences to do it. If the same thing with that lady had happened even just 5 years ago, I don’t think I’d have walked away but I might have gotten myself arrested for assault after I picked up the nearest moderately but not too heavy object and hit her in the head with it. Determining which people are most likely to listen to things they probably don’t want to hear is something I’m still working on. The lady last night at Target had already made up her mind about me, I think, how else could she have called me a Jezebel who would deserve whatever treatment a whore of Babylon might get? It seems like I get more reasons to avoid being out around people than I do reasons to increase the frequency of human interactions.

    Men are often so much easier to deal with (for me), even the patriarchal “you need a man to cover you” types…They don’t usually have the balls to say things like that lady did to me anyway, if they’re thinking it at least I don’t have to hear about it.

  • I think Nancy Campbell has a little problem with narcissism.

  • MizzKittay

    Glad you made the effort. Some people don’t and get really bitter. I’m still trying to work the nastyness out of my system but it takes time and patience.

    Determining which people are most likely to listen to things they probably don’t want to hear is something I’m still working on. You and me both.

    I think your right and I was going to type that the lady at Target had already made her mind up about you. Just by looking at you. A bit shallow.

    It seems like I get more reasons to avoid being out around people than I do reasons to increase the frequency of human interactions. 100% in agreement with ya there.

    I’ll keep it short and sweet this time. I won’t ask you to read another essay lol.

  • Jayn

    “How can it be easy when I am destroying the plans of the devil?”

    If this is God’s plan, why does it leave so many children broken and depressed, with their basic needs left unmet, women trapped in thankless marriages, people of all ages and genders frantically trying to convince themselves and others that they’re happy while scared of failure to live up to the demands placed on them, and require words to be redefined to make the lifestyle sound appealing?

    I just can’t believe that any plan of God’s would demand doing so much damage.

  • I read, in quick succession, the self-important: “I am destroying the plans of the devil? Such is the power of my God-mandated career, the highest calling ever given to women—motherhood. I have embraced my calling. I am not intimidated by my antagonists. I will not be moved. My heart is fixed.” from Nancy, and …

    “No man wants to get involved with a girl who thinks she is super-spiritual, holy and wise.”

    Yes, a woman who believe God mandated her career which is the highest one she can have (wherever she gets that from, it is not the Bible), that any antagonist to her choices has to be wrong, and anyone who makes a different choice than she does is not living out as high a calling, in the same camp as a woman who oppose those females who think they are “super-spiritual, holy and wise.”

    Irony…

  • You were much too generous in giving her 2 generations and yourself only one. Your 575 would each have an influence on some other people around them. If she can claim her grandchildren due to indirect influence, you can do the same for those affected by your students.

  • Hester

    I’ll just stay at home and raise babies but those babies will do the things.

    You mean the boy babies will do the things. The girl babies will stay home and raise their own (boy) babies to do the things, and their own (girl) babies to stay home and raise their babies, etc., etc., so on and so forth.

  • A LITTLE problem? She’s , IMNSHO, fully blown.

  • Just another way of making sure that no matter what you do or say, you won’t be able to win. 🙁

  • MizzKittay

    Not I don’t. I meant exactly what I said. I made a blanket statement on purpose. BOTH genders work in a QF/CP house. Albeit guys usually outside and girls inside.

    I guess housework and raising children is too menial to be put right next to boy work