Quoting Quiverfull: God Hates R Rated Movies?

Quoting Quiverfull: God Hates R Rated Movies? March 15, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Kristen Clark from Girl Defined – Why Watching People Make Out Should Be Awkward

Editor’s note: One thing you can count on from the Quiverfull/CPM/Fundamentalist movement is that they will keep moving the bar, changing the rules, until everything except reading your Bible and praying is ‘sinful’ This piece basically says if you are not uncomfortable watching a movie scene of people deeply kissing, much less having sex, then there is something ‘wrong’ with you in your spiritual life. Yeah, keep moving that line and telling yourself you are hole-y, err, holy. It really is all about sex in that world. Seems like the author is coming very close to calling passionate kissing pornography.

It’s not how God designed it.

Passionate kissing is a very intimate act between two people (and it’s very different from a light kiss). That’s why you’ve probably never seen your parents make out in front of you. It just wouldn’t seem appropriate. Why? The same reason as before. Intimacy is meant to be intimate…and it’s hard to do that with a crowd watching.

So when did we, as a culture, become so comfortable with watching people make out on the screen?

Well, it happened like a frog in a pot of boiling water…slowly and over time. Hollywood movies used to keep private matters off the screen; but not anymore.

Little by little they cranked the heat up until most people felt comfortable watching something that would make past generations blush.

Okay, if you’re reading this and you don’t feel awkward watching someone else engage in passionate acts…let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable having a group of people watch you do the same thing with your future husband? Would you want your siblings, parents, pastor and friends watching you engage in those intimate moments?

My guess? Probably not.

So why are you okay with watching other people do it?

Hollywood has done such a great job of bringing intimacy to the screen that we hardly think about it anymore. We hardly blink when an intimate make-out session starts.

What used to be sacred and special is now common and cheap.

As Christians, we must have a God-defined worldview on this. Just because it’s on a “screen” doesn’t mean it’s okay to watch. Instead of accepting whatever Hollywood throws our way, we need to think carefully and biblically in our modern times. We need to question everything we watch and are “entertainment” by.

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  • persephone

    Sounds like god hates PG movies.

  • I gather she’s never seen Pierce Brosnan and Rene Russo in “The Thomas Crown Affair.” I didn’t have a problem watching them do more than make out, trust me. This said, I don’t like the same sort of scene being repeated in front of me, in cold, hard reality. It’s tacky. Get a room. Hollywood is about fantasy. I also assume the poor little thing has never read this:

    Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth!
    For your love is better than wine,
    your anointing oils are fragrant,
    your name is perfume poured out;
    therefore the maidens love you.
    Draw me after you, let us make haste.
    The king has brought me into his chambers.
    We will exult and rejoice in you;
    we will extol your love more than wine;
    rightly do they love you.
    I am black and beautiful…

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    What is the deal with these people and boiling a frog in a pot of water!? Animal cruelty!

    In any case…I don’t understand what the point of all this bitching about movies, television, music, dating, the secular feminist liberal *fun* world…the people who agree that all of those things are horrible and never to be experienced because, purity and holier than thou! – those people are already sitting there nodding their heads in agreement. They aren’t going to win over people that don’t share their particularly narrow focused view, and definitely not with all the judgey mc-judgerson antics that keep taking more and more off the table because – sinning!

  • Anonyme

    It’s fiction, you nimrods! You’re not forced to watch it!
    They’d also tell people not to watch ’19 Kids and Counting’, Dim-Bob and Michelle love themselves some on-air snogging.

  • Anonyme

    Don’t forget ‘your teeth are like goats coming down from the mountain’. Sexy!

  • Nea

    Make past generations blush? I’ve seen a black and white silent movie with acts of lesbian sex onscreen. Metropolis has bare-breasted women running around.

    Past generations does not mean “Grandma was a prude.” She’s probably seen and done more than you.

  • Nea

    It’s the myth that if you do it slowly enough, the frog won’t jump out although it could. It’s an easier metaphor to use than “moving the Overton window” which whatshisface probably tried to copyright.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    But,,,but….. all that on air dry humping the Duggars do is ‘Godly’ and designed for more reproduction so they are perfectly fine with.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yeah, no kidding! Even “Frozen” is PG.

  • KarenH

    Apparently the CP/Quiverfull movement has never heard of the time in Hollywood before the censor boards 🙂

  • bekabot

    A parody of the above-cited piece could be written along these lines:

    Would you want to watch a sniper in a pillbox mow your siblings and pastor down in RL? Would you want to watch such an individual mow your parents and friends down in RL? Or would you be comfortable having your siblings and parents and pastor and friends watch you and your husband mowing each other down in RL? Then why would you want to watch these actions being performed on the screen? Blame Hollywood, my children, because Hollywood is the utmost villain; why, sniping should be sacred and yet Hollywood has made of it a coin of common exchange. It should be hard to massacre people in front of a crowd, yet Hollywood has made the whole procedure seem like eating a slice of pie; in short, Hollywood is good at making what used to be sacred and special seem easy and cheap; so boo, Hollywood.

    But Lolly is right in noting that we’ll be waiting a long time before we hear anything like that from the Fundies. Just saying.

  • Chris Dagostino

    “We need to question everything we watch and are “entertainment” by.”

    We also apparently need Hooked On Phonics.

    Anyway, as a Christian guy, it goes without saying that some forms of entertainment and media are more wholesome than others. But intelligent adults have discernment. And that discernment should also help us to distinguish the Word of God from man-made Legalism. This article fits neatly into the latter category.

  • Hannah

    Wasn’t the first porno made in 1896 or thereabouts? And porn books predate that by a LONG while. It’s historical revision, nothing more.

  • Jenny Islander

    No, that’s the hair that’s like goats coming down from the mountain. In other words, bouncy.

  • Saraquill

    Watching a movie that’s all about their messiah getting tortured to death is also fine. Go figure.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    They have found porn on cave walls that dates back 10,000 years or so…way way way before Christ arrived.

  • Astrin Ymris

    I think she needs grammar instead! Or maybe she just needs to do some good old-fashioned proofreading before she presents her writing to the public.

    On the other hand, if she read over her work for mechanical errors, she might recognize how inane her reasoning is, and no fundgelical wants to risk that.

  • KarenOfRocks

    My friends/family who hail from various countries in Western Europe say, “what is WRONG with you Americans? You get all hung up over healthy sex, and you celebrate appalling violence.” I agree with them.

  • Anonyme

    I drop by the FOX news FB page from time to time (it’s like watching a train wreck), and DEAR LORD I swear some of the crazies were ready to burn Hollywood to the ground because ‘American Sniper’ did not win Best Picture.

  • katiehippie

    Why are they never satisfied with just labeling something intimate or special. Why does it always have to be ‘sacred’?

  • Baby_Raptor

    Okay, if you’re reading this and you don’t feel awkward watching someone else engage in passionate acts…let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable having a group of people watch you do the same thing with your future husband? Would you want your siblings, parents, pastor and friends watching you engage in those intimate moments?

    Possibly. However I am not a physically attractive actor playing a fake part that involves fake attraction to another fake person. I’m not trained to do the job.

    On the other hand, I don’t have massive prude issues, so…

  • Baby_Raptor

    You think these people care about animals?

  • Baby_Raptor

    The problem with that is that a lot of these people would say “Yes, I’d love to see that. Then I could escape this oppressive bullshit!”

  • Baby_Raptor

    Anyway, as a Christian guy, it goes without saying that some forms of entertainment and media are more wholesome than others.

    Only to you. There’s no set definition for everyone of what is and isn’t “wholesome.”

  • B.A.

    My fundie co-worker is almost 34 and never seen an R-rated film. She mostly sees films for little kids. Sucks to be her.

  • B.A.

    Some fundies hated that movie,too-they had a big problem with Elsa claiming her independence and singing about it.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    Oh, honey, passionate kisses have always been a part of movies. Directors found ways to shoot & edit so that kisses made it past the censors. (And there were plenty of regulations about that.) In fact, some of those scenes are more erotic than the more explicit sexual scenes from after the code was dropped.

    Ever watch a Biblical epic from the golden age of the Hollywood studios? Those flicks were considered very family friendly and frequently had incredibly attractive people (as Biblical figures) sucking face. But you’d probably show those to your kids because Bible.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I know, was watching it last night and pointing out the various parts fundies have problems with to my husband and we were laughing over the stupidity of those claiming it glorifies bestiality, lesbianism and other ridiculous things. When your brain is always looking for the dirty then everything is dirty.

  • Joy

    Sucks to be her. I’m sitting here waiting for my teenager to stop gaming so we can watch an R-rated movie together. It won’t be the first one he’s seen and it won’t be the last either!

  • Edie Moore McGee

    What happens now that she’s told old reproduce? Does the dry humping become unGodly?

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Nope, they don’t care about their kids well-being in most families practicing fundy-religion (I won’t say all because without what I consider satisfactory proof that there are no families who are fundamentalist *and* legitimately doing all they can to ensure their children’s well being, I don’t feel comfortable saying they don’t exist.) why would they care about a theoretical frog.

    It’s a ridiculous metaphor and makes me think “why not just say they’re boiling children”.

  • Oh yeah, people in love are sinful. but watch trained snipers and Mel Gibson’s version of torture porn are perfectly acceptable. Feckin’ hypocrites.

  • Astrin Ymris

    The ‘Baby Burlesks’ starring preschool actors like Shirley Temple were an attempt to get around the Motion Picture Production Code by showing scantily-clad little kids groping each other instead of adult actors.

    I prefer having consenting adults act out sex scenes to that.

  • Catherine

    Clearly they’ve never seen anything made before the Hays Code.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    Ew, ew ew. That is frightening. Yes, definitely bring on the adult actors.

    *shudders*

  • B.A.

    I saw my first R-rated film at 13-“Saturday Night Fever”. That probably sounds old these days.

  • Lisa Cybergirl

    Which, as it turns out, is NOT TRUE! No matter how slowly you heat up the water, a frog will jump right out as soon as it’s uncomfortable. Smarter than some people, huh?

  • Leigh Andrews

    They should watch “The Celluloid Closet”, based on Vito Russo’s book of the same name. He used to show it as a live show, showing all the film clips from movies dating back to the earliest movies, with commentary. You can get most of the movie on YouTube. There is a scene in one of Charlie Chaplin’s movies (“City Lights”, I think), where he is kissing a woman with a very short haircut, and so is mistaken by a man passing by for another man due to the fact that she’s wearing overalls. Rather than slug either person for being gay, the observer starts sort of mincing around an an effeminate way.
    It’s also interesting for showing how the Hays Code was slowly eroded.