Quoting Quiverfull – Pooping Out Drugged Children?

Quoting Quiverfull – Pooping Out Drugged Children? April 7, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Michael Pearl from No Greater Joy – Attack on Traditional Child Training

Editor’s note: Michael seems to think that beating your children into submission means they will not develop any sort of mental illness or depression as a child. That runs counter to what we’ve seen in the survivor groups.  We have seen too many times in the homeschool alumni groups that harsh, blame the child discipline tends to create depression in children even into adulthood.

As the agents of permissive parenting see the tide of public opinion turning in their favor, they have gone into a feeding frenzy, devouring tradition and common sense, and they are pooping out drugged children who are cutting themselves, killing one another, and committing suicide. As discipline collapses, the schools have become battlegrounds with one in five teachers suffering physical assault in their classrooms each year. That is 666,000 teachers assaulted by students who do not believe they are constrained by boundaries. And amazingly, after creating the problem, the professionals now point to the results as evidence that they need to further strip parents of the tools that once produced generations of young adults who by and large acted responsibly and exercised

According to HealthDay News “Seven percent of American schoolchildren are taking at least one medication for emotional or behavioral difficulties.” That is, over 3.5 million children are being drugged into acceptable behavior because today’s parents and school teachers have given up hope of instilling discipline. How could they without the tools?

When I was in school in the ‘50s and early ‘60s, all students quietly complied without the use of drugs. Drugging a child was unheard of. Every teacher had a “board of education”—a wooden paddle lying prominently on the desk, and the principal patrolled the halls with a two-foot-long oak paddle. I was on the receiving end only twice during my 12-year durance, and it kept me fully compliant. They were serious about the rules, so I was as well. Today teachers have no more power over their students than do street signs. John Dewey and Dr. Spock never imagined where their progressive philosophies would lead. I am sure they thought their ideas would produce a better world. They were sadly wrong.

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  • SAO

    Sure, we live in a better world: most people think beating kids is not okay.

  • Nea

    “generations of young adults who acted responsibly and exercised self control”

    Yeah, Mikey, because there never were such things as crimes like lynching, sexual harassment/rape, child abuse, armed insurrection, drug running, theft, and murder in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY until Dr Spock wrote his first book.

    Read your damn Bible, boy. It’s FULL of people dodging responsibility or without self control.

    In the meantime, the “better world” you reject delivers more education, less disease, longer healthier lives, and more autonomy to more people than previous generations. It also gives you an international platform at the click of a button. Stop biting the hand that feeds you.

  • KarenH

    Clearly it did NOT keep you “fully compliant”, Mikey, because they had to go at you twice. That suggests you were wrong *at least* twice–that they knew of….

  • Nightshade

    If you’re ‘pooping out’ children you’re doing it wrong.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    That phrase gave me jawdrop

  • jennabobenna

    Wow. The [lack of] logic here is astounding. I was raised in middle-class suburban America, and I was the most well-behaved of my parents’ children, and I also got spanked the least. Likewise, the only correlation that studies have found (to my knowledge) between spanking and child psychology is that spanking has a profoundly negative impact on psychological health, often having the opposite of the intended effect.

  • Mary

    From the Wikipedia page on “Crime in the United States”:

  • Mary

    And is it a coincidence that: “The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1992 from a rate per 100,000 persons of 9.8 to 4.8 in 2010, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. […] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9)”

    And also “The United States has the highest rate of deaths from child abuse and neglect of any industrialized nation, at 2.4 per 100,000 children; France has 1.4, Japan 1, UK 0.9 and Germany 0.8. According to the US Department of Health, the state of Texas has the highest death rate, at 4.05 per 100,000 children, New York has 2.46, Oregon 1.49 and New Hampshire 0.35. [59] A UNICEF report on child wellbeing stated that the United States and the United Kingdom ranked lowest among industrial nations with respect to the wellbeing of children.”

    The data pretty strongly suggest that as Spock and Dewey’s methods increased in popularity, violent crime decreased in the US.

    Also, though parents in the US are more likely to practice Pearl-style parenting than parents in Europe or Canada or Japan, the US continues to have higher homicide rates than Europe or Canada or Japan.

    The facts clearly contradict Michael Pearl’s theories, here.

  • Nightshade

    Me too. Is it a comment on the value he thinks permissive parents place on children, or his own?

  • Nightshade

    But Mr. Pearl knows what he knows, don’t confuse him with those pesky facts!

  • Julia Childress

    I think that reflects his view of “permissive” parents (defined as anyone who doesn’t follow his child-raising program) and their spawn. He views them all as excrement. What a great PR guy for the faith. I hope he’s not staying up at night trying to figure out why Christianity is losing ground to other religions or no religion.

  • I will lose the password soon

    I’m not sure about the US, but where I live the 50’s and 60′ everything from Dyslexia to what is now called ADHD (but then just was a disruptive child) would have you diagnosed as ‘Mentally Retarded’ and placed in a school for special needs children, that would pretty much warehouse you until you were old enough to graduate or drop out. But sure, tell me more about how things were much better in the good old days.

  • Nea

    Considering that he’s called other people trash and his wife has used the term vermin specifically for women giving birth, assuming his own value for the humanity of anyone who disagrees with him.

  • katiehippie

    Hmmm, 666,000 teachers. How strangely specific a number….

  • ArianaDream

    Have you heard about the correlation between reduced lead in the environment and dropping crime rates?http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline

  • I noticed that too… somehow I doubt that’s ACTUALLY “one in five” of American teachers.

  • Baby_Raptor

    they are pooping out drugged children who are cutting themselves

    Speaking as someone whose battled with Self-Injury for 14 years, this pisses me the Fuck off. I was in treatment for SI before psychologists recognized it as an actual mental illness and thus before they really knew how to treat it. I’ve got some stories.

    But, you know, why acknowledge that there are legit problems when you can completely erase real people in order to rag on the Evil Other more?

  • Baby_Raptor

    Wikipedia is a site full of Liberal lies. You should always turn to Conservapedia instead. A site whose creator bluntly stated that he cares more about talking points than facts is sure to be more truthful than a place Liberals cite!

  • I do have a problem with over-medicating kids today. It isn’t good. Having worked with ADHD and kids who had various LDs, I know the difference. The average kid, diagnosed hyper, needs to be out on a play-ground, burning off energy, instead of being constantly prepped for achievement tests so that the school district gets more grand money. When I was in elementary school there was a 30 minute morning recess and a 1.5 hour recess in the afternoon at lunch. The school was, and is still considered one of the top 100 elementary schools in the country. I was considered ‘hyper’. All they needed to control me was give me a book. Today, I would be drugged.

    I worked with and tutored kids who were hyper, and worked, primarily with English and reading problems. We worked for 15 minutes and ‘played’ for 5. Kids who were just busy and active did not need to be drugged. The ones who were truly hyper were, if possible, controlled via diet.

    Imagine my shock when I discovered that the $350/month Alzheimer’s prescription for my father was being used to control hyper kids. That perspiration was flushed. It was amazing how much better he did. I don’t mind admit that I am not all that impressed with today’s version of education and teachers. I’m still trying to talk a friend, who recently took early retirement, into writing about the differences today and when she first started teaching.

  • Mary

    I have heard of it, but had not seen that Mother Jones article, and had no idea how much new evidence there is for it since I originally read about it years ago. Thank you!

    I wish everyone knew about the role of lead in crime rates, but I also just wish everyone were aware how much crime rates in the US have actually dropped over the past few decades so that we could agree on what they *don’t* correlate with (like non-corporal punishment parenting, or the popularity of video games). It makes a lot of right wing arguments about how we need to go back to what worked in the good old days ring so hollow. I was interested to see from your link that even the difference between urban and small town crime rates has been disappearing.

  • Anonyme

    Physically punishing children for negative/detrimental behaviors doesn’t cure or prevent depression, Michael. It just makes them bottle it up inside, no doubt through adulthood, and they fake being happier and “normal”. But under the surface, is what they hide–a personal hell and self-loathing. I know this because *I* was clinically depressed during my teenage years. Even with a supportive family and friends (minus a father who preferred to pretend it didn’t exist), there were so many times I “needed” to hide my misery.

  • ArianaDream

    There was also an episode in Neil deGrasse Tyson’s “Cosmos” all about how this correlation was discovered, complete with a guest appearance by Richard Gere in a voice role. I highly recommend checking it out if you can!

  • Quadratic Wizard

    Did I get it something wrong, or did he just literally refer to a large portion of western children as shit? :-/