Quoting Quiverfull: Disaster as Divine Disapproval?

Quoting Quiverfull: Disaster as Divine Disapproval? May 4, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Vaneetha Rendall from Desiring God and as quoted by Ladies Against Feminism – The Greatest Gift Is God Himself – Is Suffering a Sign of Divine Disapproval?

Editor’s note: For a change here’s an article from Desiring God that is usually reasonable. The author and her husband suffered the loss of a baby who started having problems in utero. The usual suspects starting saying and doing the usual things about praying. The author believed the teaching that suffering was merely God’s disapproval, a divine swat on the behind to show you’re doing something wrong. How many times in the QF movement have we seen people blaming all sorts of things happening on God’s disapproval: 9/11? Tsunamis and earthquakes, check. You name it, check.

Where the author differs from LAF and many others in Christianity is that she comes to the conclusion that bad things happening aren’t some sort of holy payback, they just happen. LAF chooses yet again to have cognitive dissonance and talk about Christian social classes and the acceptance of man, missing the entire point that sometimes bad things happen and it’s no one’s fault. Kudos to Desiring God for publishing a piece that goes against the standard Evangelical party line of punishment and approval theology. Quoted below exactly as it appears at LAF.

[Editor’s Note: Man’s idea of what the christian religion is will always leave people saying, “I felt judged.” We’re supposed to testify to God’s standards not our own. There is a christian social class in this country and to be in it, you have to keep up with all the social standards. Christ in not in it but at least you’ll be accepted by man. You’ll live under the fear of man and his expectations. You’ll spend your time, money, energy and resources living up to unspiritual moral ethics. Better to be known of Christ, be His workmanship, live according to His graces and persevere in the faith than to find in the end He never knew us. Matt. 7:21-23

What is taught here is applicable to all of the Christian woman’s life. Everyone should give it a read.]

“Don’t take this wrong, but we prayed before our children were born, and all of them were born healthy.”

I wasn’t sure how I was supposed to take that. We had just told a new acquaintance that our infant son, Paul, had died several years earlier, after we had already grieved three difficult miscarriages. I felt judged. According to this person speaking to me, Paul’s death and my miscarriages were easily preventable. It was simple. We hadn’t prayed enough. We had neglected to do our part. In short, we were to blame.

This attitude wasn’t new to me. I had felt this mixture of judgment and pressure from the day I learned of Paul’s heart problem four months into the pregnancy. Concerned friends had rallied around, assuring me of healing for my unborn son. “Pray, believing you will receive,” they urged from James 5, “and he will be healed.”

So I prayed. I fasted. I recited set prayers. I read books on healing. I asked friends to pray. I begged God. I did everything I knew to do.

Read the entire article at Desiring God.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Anonyme

    And here I was thinking that earthquakes were caused by seismic waves resulting from erratic energy within the Earth’s crust.

    Also, whoever insinuated that Vaneetha and her spouse’s child died because they didn’t pray hard enough is a monster. Even if you believe it, you don’t say that to mourning parents.

    Four of the women I’m closest to in my life happen to have seven miscarriages between them. Did they not pray hard enough?

  • Rachel

    Some people need to realize that sometimes, nature screws up and if there is a god, it certainly is far from perfect. Lots of pregnant women don’t pray (or at least pray to a different deity) and still go on to have healthy pregnancies, and lots of women do pray and still have complications. She’s conflating correlation with causation. And even if she sincerely believed it to be true, what does telling the grieving mother accomplish? Praying isn’t going to bring her dead son or miscarried fetuses back. All she’s doing is kicking her while she’s already down.

  • SAO

    If your tragedy makes someone else feel smug, avoid them like the plague.

  • Saraquill

    Shame on these people for indirectly telling a pregnant woman to fast.

  • What a sad, cruel, thoughtless thing to tell that poor woman. One of my oldest friends was a minister and his wife went through three miscarriages before their daughter was born. Anyone who tells a preacher’s wife she’s not praying “hard enough” deserves a sharp punch in the head.

  • Friend

    Vaneetha Rendall deserved kindness and got cruelty instead. I am sure she did her best under horrible circumstances, which were one on one.

    But it’s up to those among us who attend church, or other types of groups, to speak out when we witness this kind of cruel talk, whether or not the victim is present or obvious. (Sometimes it’s just general, bland hate speech.)

    I can’t always come up with a bold, clever remark. However, I have taught myself one simple routine. I allow myself to look rattled and upset, and then I make my goodbyes: “Oh dear. Forgive me, ladies, I need to excuse myself.”

    When I have done this, people have called me later to talk about what happened, and we have strategized about ways to stop future cruelty. And the mean folks have absolutely no grounds to reproach me.

    (Edited for clarity.)

  • ShaLaLa

    Not even correlation, coincidence.