Quoting Quiverfull: The Two Hundred Year Plan To Keep Your Family Large And Poor?

Quoting Quiverfull: The Two Hundred Year Plan To Keep Your Family Large And Poor? May 24, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Vaughn Ohlman of True Love Doesn’t Wait -What’s In Your 200 Year Plan?

Editor’s note: Don’t know how many of you here have heard the ‘200 Year Plan’ taught at your church but at one point in Evangelicalism it was a pretty popular idea. The one time I heard it preached from the pulpit I remember thinking that it seemed like the ultimate in control freak master planning. Out of Mr. Ohlman’s writings about this two parts jumped out as awful. In his eyes this is all about making sure the children marry as soon as possible and breed the grandkids without one thought for how they are going to support all those grandkids. Very short-sided thinking.

Fathers, if you were to put on your binoculars and peer down the halls of future history, what would you see? What would you want to see? What is your ‘two hundred year plan’? Does it include:

Young fruitful marriage for your children? Or is it filled with college and career?

Grandchildren, great grand children, and great-great-grandchildren? Or visions of doctors and lawyers and politicians?

Which Bible Lineage would it resemble? Abraham? Jonadab?[footnote both]

A while back there was a fad, in part of the church, of writing a ‘two hundred year plan’.The idea was interesting: a father sits down and writes down what he hopes his family will look like in two hundred years: who and what they will be doing. All of his great grandchildren and how they will be pastors or missionaries or famous doctors performing vision saving surgeries.

Then they sit down with their family and share out this plan with a goal of encouraging them to work toward the things they will need to do and be to make this plan happen.

and…

We should teach our children to prepare for marriage and children. Our grandchildren :) The world denigrates children and would have them ‘wait’ until they ‘are ready’. God does not agree. God blesses the Godly man with children, and expects the Godly man to have children, and raise them in Godliness. Indeed God speaks of the having and raising of children as one of the things that moves us forward in Godliness. The home is a literal proving ground for Godly men.

So, when you’re making your two hundred year plan, or even if you don’t, you need to plan toward getting our children married, young and fruitfully. We need to actively work toward that, and cast down every false idol that stands in our way, not just merely sit back and ‘hope’ it  happens. We need to examine Scripture and find, and follow, God’s path toward getting our children married.

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  • Antoinette Herrera

    I’m not sure which is more disquieting: that Vaughn Ohlman speaks about growing a family as if it were like breeding livestock, or the contempt he has for higher education and professionals. It’s as if he wanted these super-sized families to remain susceptible to disease, instability, and child mortality.

  • Gypsy Rose B

    It’s not an either/or. You can have lots of grand kids, great-grand kids, etc AND have lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc. in your family. My grandparents had more grand kids than they knew what to do with and their kids (my aunts and uncles) were highly educated. One is a scientist, one is a lawyer, one is a teacher, two work in the medical field, one is an artist, one does construction…and I can’t even remember the careers of some of them. My cousins have already had (collectively) 9 kids (I think? It’s hard to keep track) and another is about to marry a woman with 3 kids, who will no doubt be brought into the family. My cousins are also lawyers, nutritionists, journalists, entrepreneurs, soldiers etc. Some of them are following their parents lineage and some are forging new ground. We are proud of everyone in my family for developing into the people they want to be and doing things that they love. We happily accept each new baby into the family with many (so many) open and loving arms.

    So, Vaughn, you can’t plan 200 years in the future. And you can’t be disappointed when the children you raised to independence (that’s one of the goals of parenting, right?) have a different path than you chose for them. Raising happy, loving, intelligent kids is its own reward. Some may start having kids young, some may not. If everyone did nothing but have lots of children from a young age, we wouldn’t have people to take care of the world too. And then what kind of world would that be for our future generations?

  • Allison the Great

    Vaughn’s obsession with teenagers having sex and getting pregnant is pretty disturbing. If making sure that these kids can support themselves and their ever-growing families is not part of this “200 Year Plan” then this plan cannot be a very intelligent plan, can it? It’s like buying a plane and forgetting to hire a pilot. He can’t really get this plan off the ground if these families are living in poverty with no means to support themselves, who are susceptible to infant mortality, malnutrition, and disease, can he?

  • Nea

    God blessed the Duggars with many children and look how that’s working out for them these days. The whole family ministry and future is crashing because of one member.

    The 200 year plans strike me as being simultaneously creepy and hilarious. Creepy because it takes a lot of narcissism and control issues to assume that you can micromanage from beyond the grave — particularly when this comes out of someone who likely can’t name his own paternal great-great-great-great-grandfather.

    But also hilarious, because there is absolutely no way anyone can predict what the world will be in 20 years, much less 200; it changes too quickly! When I was a kid, there was no internet, no personal computers, no cell phones much less smartphones. When my father was a kid, technology meant vacuum tubes; it was a big deal when transistors came in. When my grandfather was a kid, there were no antibiotics — or national highway system. And that’s not even going back a full century! Yet, people like Vaughn and the others think that they can just plan out everything to 2215, while being staggeringly ignorant of how the world has changed from 1915, much less 1815.

    Want an illustration of how out of touch the plan is? How many of the churches that preach 200 year patriarchy are also anti-vax? Yet if you asked anyone in 1815 what they wanted most for their children, they’d look at the graveyards and say “For them to not die of measles, polio, diptheria, whooping cough, or influenza.”

  • Nea

    I notice that those 200-year plans assume that all births are live births, and all born children survive to reproduce their entire adult lives. It makes the numbers look good, but the actual historical record just points and laughs at the numbers.

  • Nea

    Only what you want matters.

    Pretty much. It’s the ultimate in narcissism.

  • Baby_Raptor

    God blesses the Godly man with children

    Pregnancy happens when two opposite people have sex, consensual or otherwise. There’s no “blessing from god” involved. It’s a biological process.

    If it were a “blessing from god” we would never see a single non-Christian reproduce.

  • Nightshade

    And they think unbelievers want to impose their will on others…

  • Allison the Great

    Vaughn is incredibly naive when it comes to things like this. He has quotes from Martin Luther (and we all know how much he just loves that creep, don’t we?) that he thinks are applicable to today. They never were applicable if you ask me, people just married younger because there were no other options. Now we live better and we know better.

    To sum the matter up: whoever finds himself unsuited to the celibate life should see to it right away that he has something to do and to work at; then let him strike out in God’s name and get married. A young man should marry at the age of twenty at the latest, a young woman at fifteen to eighteen; that’s when they are still in good health and best suited for marriage. Let God worry about how they and their children are to be fed. God makes children; he will surely also feed them. Should he fail to exalt you and them here on earth, then take satisfaction in the fact that he has granted you a Christian marriage, and know that he will exalt you there; and be thankful to him for his gifts and favours.
    -Martin Luther

    Vaughn seems to forget that no, God does not feed ALL his children, he doesn’t even feed some of his children. How many hundreds of millions of children in this world are starving? Is he providing for any of them? No? I’m sure that Vaughn would argue that those children are unsaved heathens who don’t deserve to be provided for by The Almighty God. They’re going to Hell anyway, so why bother? I would ask why God created these children then, and insisted they be born, if he’s only going to torture them on earth with starvation and disease, and then torture them in the afterlife with Hell. Vaughn’s God is a real winner.

  • persephone

    Vaughn has absolutely no knowledge of history. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

    His pedophilia is freaking me out. Jeez, dude, let the kids masturbate. Everyone will be much happier.

  • Joy

    Ohlman, show me the Bible verse where God says that it is His will that every single Christian will get married and have kids.

  • Baby_Raptor

    He’d just point you to god telling Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply.

  • perigrinuseram

    And Luther was arguing for young marriages and against ‘waiting’ because waiting was what people did in the 16th century: the average age of marriage in 1600, in England in any event, was 27. People saved up their money and got married when they could afford to, so that they’d be able to raise their children in comfort and prosperity.

  • And no Christian woman would be infertile. As I know THAT is complete horse-shit, I’m in agreement with you to an extent.

  • Baby_Raptor

    Well my theory is that I can’t think of a reason why god would want to bless non-believers with children. Gd does work in mysterious ways though, so I could be wrong.

  • Nicole

    If we all marry young, have children, and forgo college/career…who will be their doctors? Or lawyers?

    Also, these things aren’t independent of each other. I married just after I turned 21. I also graduated from college with a bachelors a couple of months later. Had my first (of only two, heathen me!) child just shy of 27. That’s really not that old.

  • Baby_Raptor

    These people tend to be anti-vaxx “leave it to god” types. They probably wouldn’t care if there were no doctors.

    Same with lawyers most likely, unless they needed one to “protect their rights.”