Quoting Quiverfull: Discipline, Discipline, Discipline But Keep Your Daughters Unmarried?

Quoting Quiverfull: Discipline, Discipline, Discipline But Keep Your Daughters Unmarried? June 26, 2015

quotingquiverfullby former Vision Forum friend Geoffrey Botkin hawking his newest CD/DVD/book on raising children on Ladies Against Feminism – How To Practice Biblical Discipline.

Editor’s note: The ladies of Ladies Against Feminism didn’t even bother to try and write a review or put into their own words why they endorse this particular item by Botkin. They copied and pasted this right from his website. Odd that there’s been no updates for over seven months at his single very adult daughters website Visionary Daughters, no online web tutorials about gilding your outside or what to do when there’s no real role for you any longer. Most curious how silent they’ve been.

Most American parents do not know how to parent. Some perpetuate patterns of anger and unbiblical violence against their children. A larger number of parents fail entirely to discipline, to admonish, and to lead their children. In both cases the results are disastrous, and they are all around us — angry children, rebellious children, wild children, and broken children, — children that rule over their parents, and parents who are at war with their children. But the Bible speaks extensively to this issue of discipline within the home, and it provides hope that when we obey what the Scriptures say, by God’s sovereign grace, we can hope to raise delightful children for the glory of God and to see peace reign within our homes. Geoffrey Botkin examines the critical issues of biblical discipline within the home, the challenges of wisely employing such discipline in a world driven by the false religious worldview of modern psychology, which the professing church has largely embraced. His seven children share their experiences of and gratitude for the loving biblical discipline of their parents.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • C Ellison

    Yes, it is curious why these daughters are being so silent. Hmm.

  • Nea

    Odd that there’s been no updates for over seven months at his single very adult daughters website

    Well, the wheels are coming off, aren’t they? Vision Forum burnt down, fell over, and sank into the swamp, and the very age of the daughters is becoming an embarrassment to their father’s and their own preaching. Even inside the cult it’s blatantly obvious that Botkin doesn’t practice what he preaches, and those “girls” have frankly embarrassed themselves online, bragging about their greater erudition while behaving (and sounding) like angry kindergarteners towards other women like Rachel Held Evans. That’s hardly an advertisement for the “discipline” and guidance of Daddy’s wisdom.

    To be honest, this is the first time I even heard the guy had more than his two precious pearls. I could imagine that there’s some bad feeling inside the family about the pedestal for Daddy and his (in)famous “Daddy’s Girls.”

  • Plain English

    Beat the devil out of your children every time they force you to feel something you don’t like, beat them with God’s Word in a pillow case and quote scripture while you hit them to prove it is the wish of the almighty hitter who loves us

  • Mel

    The 5 boys are being used as media minions for Dad’s pseudo-empire. The darkly humorous idea for me is that a man who yammers about his 200 year plan to take back control of Western civilization through breeding Christian babies has 4 grandkids from 2 sons. Bluntly, if he had married Anna Sophia and Elizabeth off to the first guys interested in them – and I’m sure they’ve both had offers even if the girls don’t know – he’d have way more grandkids- but way less income.

  • Astrin Ymris

    I think Umstattd has called it right– Why should any man raised to view himself as entitled go through the humiliating courtship process of kissing another man’s ass just to meet with his daughter under heavily-chaperoned circumstances? He’s already obliged to “honor” his own heavily-controlling father; why add another martinet to his life?

    It’s so much easier for college-educated CPM/QF men to date fundie lite women with the hope of bringing them into the fold. That leaves only the poorest prospects to apply to “court” a would-be patriarch’s daughters– the ill-educated, those with complex PTSD from childhood abuse, young men with undiagnosed psychological disorders… All in all, NOT the types a prideful CPM father would consider worthy of his daughters.

    IOW, humans just don’t breed well in captivity.

    http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-fundamentally-flawed/

    http://www.thomasumstattd.com/2014/08/courtship-fundamentally-flawed-qa/

  • Mermaid Warrior

    Not to mention that a well-educated man with a decent income has more options, and thus more power to choose. Why deal with the hassle of courtship when there are plenty of fine women who don’t require that?

  • Antoinette Herrera

    So the Ladies Against Women are all for enabling fathers to be little gods of their households, and to break their daughters’ wills?
    And in return, the daughters become pliant little surrogate wives, to be swapped off to someone else Just Like Papa?

    I’ve wondered what the Electra Complex looks like, applied in real life. Now I know. And I hope the Ladies Against Women never get firsthand experience.

  • katiehippie

    Upvote for the Monty Python reference.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Exactly! But the ‘200 Year Plan’ patriarchs didn’t seem to see that very predictable result coming, perhaps because THEY themselves dated rather than being on the receiving end of paternal scrutiny.

    So much for their long-term prognostication abilities. ;-D

  • Gretchen Beam

    so agree with you on the 200 Year Plan….just a correction, he has 5 grandchildren and one on the way…..but yes, at this rate the Botkin women will never be allowed out of their prison.