Quoting Quiverfull: Part 5 – Never Worry About Providing For Your Kids?

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 5 – Never Worry About Providing For Your Kids? June 16, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Nancy Campbell from Above Rubies Magazine – Is God Able to Provide For Another Baby?

Editor’s note: Oh so now we’re supposed to plant a garden on top of all the other ‘supposed to dos’ Nancy throws in. She tries to shoot down each and every objection to gardening and throws in a ton of scriptures to support the crap she’s spewing trying to add additional burdens to already busy mothers.  While having a garden is usually a good thing, there’s just no way that would work for everyone and should never be a ‘must do’ thing.  Unless, of course, you have a fleet of adopted children from Africa that you can set out there weeding and picking bugs off your crops. Right, Nancy?

God reminds us in the Scriptures that His plan is for each family to keep a garden to help provide food for their family. The first home, which was the prototype of all homes to come, was called the “Garden of Eden.” The first home was a garden and consequently God intends all homes to have a garden! Many of us are rather slack on this principle, aren’t we?

Genesis 2:15 tells us the first thing God did after creating the first garden home, “Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.” The word “tend” is avad in the Hebrew and means “to work hard even until fatigued, to till, to plow.” This command was given before the Fall! The word “keep” is shamar and means “to guard, to protect, to preserve.”

You may say, “Help, that may be okay for you, but we live in the city with hardly any space.” It’s amazing what you can do if you set your heart to it. We live in the country but the land on our hill is clay and rock. We had to make garden beds and buy in our dirt to start our garden. You may have better soil than we have, but not much room. Make a small garden or grow tomatoes, lettuces and herbs in containers on your deck. There is always some way you can do it.

The following are further Scriptures that remind us of this important provision principle:

Proverbs 12:11, “He who tills his land will be satisfied with bread, but he who follows frivolity is devoid of understanding.” Read also Proverbs 28:19.

Proverbs 24:27, “Prepare your outside work, make it fit for yourself in the field; and afterwards build your house.”

Proverbs 27:18, “Whoever keeps the fig tree will eat its fruit.”

Proverbs 31:16, “She considers a field and buys it; from her profits she plants a vineyard.” This Scripture is often taken out of context with women saying they are free to get into a career outside of the home. No, this Scripture is in the context of the home and feeding the family. As the family grows, she needs more land to plant more vineyards which were survival for every Israeli family in those days. The mothers’ management of the home, not only included her home, but her garden and growing food for the family.

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  • Nea

    I have a garden and I call bullshit on Nancy’s privilege, unBiblical “scholarship” and sheer hypocrisy.

    1) Yes, despite Nancy blithely assuming that all her readers have a deck for a container garden, being in a city or being in an area with bad soil (bad light, bad air, no space) are very much impediments to having as much as an herb in a pot. (Speaking of which, there was a notorious case in my area where the police detected grow lights in a basement, and kicked down the door of the house to find the marajuana. What they found was a basement herb garden. The damage to the house was not reimbursed because the cops were deemed to “have cause.”)

    2) The Bible also speaks – often and kindly – of people living in cities or having lifestyles that don’t permit much in the way of hobby gardening. Does Nancy think that the apostles, who were fishermen *on the beach* bothered to “buy soil” and garden in the complete no time off their jobs gave them? God Almighty his own self doesn’t seem to be too fussed that these people aren’t out there deadheading the dill.

    3) In addition to the fact that we know that Nancy literally imported slave labor to work her garden, I am shocked to the core that she so blithely says that she purchased the proper growing ground for her garden. (What? God *didn’t* provide?) She can’t be arsed to purchase CLOTHING for her CHILDREN but she can shell out hard cash for DIRT in the very next sentence? Wow.

  • Saraquill

    Ripping random, standalone lines from the Good Book makes for a poor argument, Campbell.

    Emulating life in the Garden of Eden on the other hand, she has a point there. Naked time for all!

  • Antoinette Herrera

    If Nancy Campbell could only harvest spuds, then her gardening skills (not to mention, dirt purchase) leave much to be desired.

  • Poster Girl

    …..but it’s the Catholics and mainline Protestants who are obsessed with works. Riiiiiiiiight.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Yeah, I was going to call her on the “All apartments have a deck” thing as well. Nancy must get all her ideas about City Livin’ from TV shows.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Even for Colin and Nancy Campbell?

  • SAO

    News Flash! Life in the Iron Age was different.

  • ShaLaLa

    Yes! The freedom may do them some good. I know it always puts me in a better mood :]

  • Allison the Great

    I think she buys that stupid fucking dirt instead of food, clothing, and adequate shelter for her children/slaves because she cares more about living out this Iron Age fetish that she has than she does about the people in her care.

    She “adopted” those kids to be slaves, not to give them a loving home.

  • Mel

    Plus, gardening takes a lot of practice and materials to feed a family for a year. In MI, we have 5 months of time fresh produce can be produced MAX in the southern areas. You have to grow and store enough for the rest of the year- which I have never been able to do in the past 3 years for two adults on 700 sq ft.

  • Friend

    Nancy sez “my anachronism can beat up your anachronism” here:

    “This Scripture is often taken out of context with women saying they are
    free to get into a career outside of the home. No, this Scripture is in
    the context of the home and feeding the family. As the family grows, she
    needs more land to plant more vineyards which were survival for every
    Israeli family in those days. The mothers’ management of the home, not
    only included her home, but her garden and growing food for the family.”

  • Nea

    I didn’t read the original. That’s all she planted? Hell, you don’t even NEED dirt for that – they grow quite nicely in straw and are easier to “dig” out.

  • Nea

    I want to start making a set of gifs for her “better” quotes. You know – superimpose her line about men “quickly” finding new jobs over a photo of bread lines in the Depression. Her one about the deck would go very nicely over a photo of a tenement, don’t you think?

  • Nea

    She’s not obsessed with works. She’s obsessed with lifestyle.

  • Nea

    Not *that* different. All the way back in Pompeii they found taxies and “to buy this house, contact Gluteus Maximus” signs and commercial bakeries so people didn’t routinely make their own bread and no, there wasn’t room for a private garden in a lot of those homes either. City life was very much the same as now, only with different levels of technology and different social structures.

    Nancy’s got this Better Caves and Gardens notion of what a Biblical life should be and blithely ignores that her lifestyle isn’t practiced even by most of the people actually IN the Bible.

  • Nea

    vineyards which were survival for every Israeli family

    Well, that’s got to be news to the fishermen and the innkeepers and the “sellers of purple”!

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. We have a large garden and the section where I throw the grass clippings and suburban hay like clippings is on the potato patch. They grow way better that way than buying garden soil and creating an artificial patch. Can you even grow potatoes in containers?

  • Marianne013

    Yes you can. Every year I stick a a couple of potatoes I find in the back of the cupboard in a couple of containers and so far I always ended up with more potatoes than I started with 🙂

  • Nea

    Yes, although the one time I tried was a failure. Growing potatoes in barrels is apparently a thing.

  • Nea

    How do you care for them? I tried that once and the plant just keeled over.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    Good to know! Potatoes are about the easiest thing to grow I guess.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    I don’t know if those were all she grew, but that time when all they had were potatoes just made me wonder…

  • B.A.

    Maybe that’s their problem…they’re just not “getting any”.

  • B.A.

    “Better Caves and Gardens”….reminds me of Wilma reading “Good Cavekeeping” on The Flintstones. Thanks for the laugh and the memory.

  • SAO

    Potatoes have one of the highest calorie and nutrient yields per acre, which is why they are a staple of poor countries.

  • SAO

    Maybe, but most of the population were subsistence farmers, which is not true today.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Yes! Do it! ;-D

    Though her fanbase might be ignorant enough to think that Fire Escape = Deck = Space that can be used for container gardening, because obeying secular Fire Safety regs isn’t a thing. 😛

  • KarenH

    Yay! I have a garden! I wins!!! I have daffodils, and lilacs and lilies (of many persuasions) and roses and zinnias and tulips and gladiolus and peonies and mums!!! (Because, as Nancy also says, every house needs a stay-at-home Mum 😀 )

  • BlueVibe

    This comment made me laugh coffee up my nose.

    Actually, people have bought bread for centuries because many crowded city homes didn’t have ovens. I guess this is why so many people ate porridge and stew and other stuff that you cook in pots, and why street food has actually been a thing, like, forever. But, when you think about it, an oven is a pretty serious appliance, especially when they were made of brick or stone.

  • gimpi1

    Yeah, and the Scriptures she cites were written in a herding and farming culture. Of course they put emphasis on farming. That was how you got security. Today, we might see scriptures telling us to learn to write code, study engineering or pursue higher education.

    “…And thou shalt master HTML-4 and grasp FLASH web-protocols. JPEG formats thou shalt understand, and PDF documents shalt thou generate, that thou canst provide for thine and spread thy witness far and wide…”

  • gimpi1

    I’ve grown them in tire-towers. You plant them in an old tire, and keep adding tires and grass-clippings and dirt to bury the vines, keeping about 6-8″ of vines above the tires. Then, when the vines die down, you can just pull off tires and they roll out. It works fine in the generally cool and damp Pacific Northwest, but I don’t know about warmer areas… the tires might keep too much heat.

  • gimpi1

    It sure does.

    I’m a fair gardener, but only here in the Pacific Northwest. We can grow year-round (cole-crops, cold-weather greens – that sort of thing) but getting tomatoes to ripen here, well, it’s hit or miss at best. I’ve all but given up on peppers except in containers. Corn is generally a waste of space. Part of my productivity has been learning to love romaine, parsnips, snap-peas, broccoli, bok-choi, bunching shallots and spinach.

    Can I grow a lot of food – yes. But if we moved to your region, I’d be starting from square one. I wouldn’t want to bet my family’s health on my ability to grow food until I had a season or two under my belt to understand your microclime.

  • Nea

    Completely off topic, but someone showed me a photo of the coolest Roman-era “kitchenette.” It was a clay… thing… on legs so it looked about waist height. The main works were a central hollowed core with a flat space in front, and then three “pipes” coming up from that which could each hold a pot. (I’m describing this very badly. Imagine a 3-fingered rubber glove. Cut the tips off the fingers and put a grill on each one, then cut a flap out of the palm and fold it forward to make a ledge.)

    The idea was obviously to build a fire in the central (palm) portion, with the heat rising up through each pipe/finger and the ledge to both tend the fire and maybe grill something. Having seen such a thing, I am consumed with the desire to own one.

  • Nea
  • OhNotAnotherOne

    [sar] Well then, I guess you better get your butt in gear! Those excuses amount to just whining in my book! [/sar]

  • Marianne013

    I don’t. Anything that doesn’t thrive on benign neglect doesn’t stand a chance in my garden.