Quoting Quiverfull: Public Schools Filled With Mega Sin?

Quoting Quiverfull: Public Schools Filled With Mega Sin? July 21, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Voddie Baucham from Exodus Mandate – 5 Reasons NOT to Sent Your Kids Back to Public School

Editor’s note: Many of Voddie’s other four reasons are just as filled with blaming and scare tactics as this bit. But the claims of ‘brutal beatings’ seems to be something that is more associated with homeschooling done the Michael Pearl ‘To Train Up A Child’ way than at any public school. Homeschooling is also rife with abuse, a fact that Voddie seems not to realize. At least at public school teachers are mandatory reporters of abuse, unlike homeschool, where abuse gets hidden or denied until there’s a dead body. Oh and I am so hoping Voddie decides not to pay  his taxes, as he seems to indicate here. Let’s see how long the government would put up with his ridiculous ideas as to why he isn’t paying what everyone else is.

America’s Schools Are Morally Repugnant

The headlines speak for themselves.  Student-teacher sex scandals, student-student sex, immodesty, foul language, drugs, alcohol, radical homosexual agendas, teachers taking students for abortions, “sexting” leading to suicide, sexually transmitted diseases, brutal beatings, and school shootings.  These are just some of the headlines that have become the norm.  And that does not include things like cheating, disrespect for authority, impropriety towards the opposite sex, and other moral behaviors children learn regularly and repeatedly in school.

Van Til said it better than I ever could: “Non-Christian education puts the child in a vacuum…. The result is that child dies. Christian education alone really nurtures personality because it alone gives the child air and food…. Modern educational philosophy gruesomely insults our God and our Christ. How, then, do you expect to build anything positively Christian or theistic upon a foundation which is the negation of Christianity and theism?…. No teaching of any sort is possible except in Christian schools.”

Moreover, the system itself is funded by virtual theft.  Homeowners are forced under threat of the loss of their property to pay for the education of other people’s children.  How is that appropriate?  The government tells everyone that they have to send their children to school, then tells homeowners that they are going to be the ones to foot the bill whether they like it or not.  Not only is this a form of welfare, it is also a form of theft.

For those of you ready to read me the riot act and yell and scream about paying for roads and bridges, hold on a minute.  Why is it that we get all up-in-arms about our tax dollars being used to fund abortions (while our opponents make the roads and bridges argument), but we don’t see this one?  Our schools are morally repugnant.  They are also neo-Marxist, secular humanist indoctrination centers.  Why should I as a Christian be forced to pay for children to have every vestige of Christianity beaten out of them?  Americans are not forced to pay for Mormon schools, or Muslim schools; why should we be forced to pay for neo-Marxist schools (remember, all education is religious in nature)?  And why should any Christian contribute to such a system by sending their children to such schools at the expense of others?  And before you yell, “I’m just using the tax dollars I spent,” ask yourself if you’re willing to take advantage of all that abortion funding going to Planned Parenthood, or those tax dollars going toward fetal stem cell research.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Nea

    Get back to me when a major technological or medical breakthrough is invented by a Christian Patriarchy homeschooler, mmmmkay? Because while the CPM is bragging about how good their debate teams are and how many homeschooled little kids win spelling bees, it’s the public schoolers — including, *gasp* GIRLS — actually changing the world.

  • Saraquill

    Ow, the non-logic in this passage is painful. Instead of going point by point, I will point out that a long haired unemployed hippy said “Render unto Caesar’s what is Caesar’s.” I’m sure said hippy would approve of how public schools offer cheap or free meals to needy students.

  • Mel

    Student-teacher sex scandals = Doug Philips; Bill Gothard, many CP escaped bloggers
    student-student sex = Duggars; many escaped CP bloggers

    immodesty = most people who write on modesty manage to be really immodest,

    foul language = CP bloggers when talking about homosexuality or any sin,

    drugs, alcohol, = I’m willing to be money a decent subset of homeschooled families have substance abuse problems in the parents or the kids

    radical homosexual agendas = Steven Anderson among others,

    teachers taking students for abortions = Don’t got one for this – but I never saw it in 8 years of public schooling,

    “sexting” leading to suicide = compared to the angst of living at home with no chance of getting mental illness treated,

    sexually transmitted diseases = Well, check student-teacher/student-student victims.

    brutal beatings = Michael Pearl, Debi Pearl, the parents who killed their homeschooled kids,

    school shootings = See HA.

  • Mel

    Why didn’t Voddie actually try defend tax money be used for roads and water? Well, since most CP/QF families aspire to live a more agrarian life, they would be wide open to the obvious fact that rural counties take in WAY more tax dollars to maintain roads and water lines than they pay out.

    I was sent to Catholic schools growing up. My parents were proud to pay their taxes to support other students in public schools while paying for our tuition. Educating ALL children is something that citizens of the USA have supported for nearly 150 years.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    The Big Reasons for having an educated citizenry are that 1) a democracy needs educated voters, and 2) an educated workforce contributes more to the economy and therefore to the general standard of living. The first reason here works against conservative Christianity, which operates on the principle that people should be sheep, and be led about rather than think for themselves. The second reason is irrelevant because “God will provide”. That he does a crappy job of it for an awful lot of conservative Christians is beside the point.

    I find it exceedingly annoying that conservatives (who tend to be, but are not exclusively, Christian in this country) don’t give a fat rat’s patootie about the welfare of the country as a whole, even while they generally proclaim themselves to be patriots. God Bless America, but heaven forbid that she should bless herself with something like universal education! Grrrrrr. The rhetoric about neo-Marxism is also tiresome, a classic example of Making Up Crap. Just — just — Grrrrrr.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Failure to indoctrinate kids in my religious beliefs is indoctrination! War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength!

    The Religious Right is getting more and more like George Orwell’s fictional “Party” every day.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Shorter Voddie Baucham: “If you send your little hellspawn to public schools, they will never become the pliant, tractable underlings that God requires. Especially the girls. (Isn’t it cruel, besides, to feed girls the lie that they can be anything but a man’s property? They don’t appreciate how morally deficient, and depraved, they truly are…)”

    It’s appalling, how Mr Baucham can take a little bit of truth (American schools have been slipping in academics) and spin it into a loud, obnoxious, Big Lie designed to scare parents into removing their children from public schools.

    How does he conflate sexting with cyberbullying? Or justify denying education to those who can’t afford to send their ickle vipers to a Christian academy? What is it about sex, drugs, and critical thinking that has him so obsessed with policing other parents’ children? He’s as bad as Michael Pearl, or BGR. Oh, but wait, he quotes Post-Reformation Church Fathers (Wesley and Machen, not Chrysostom or Augustine, too mystical, and definitely not Hildegard von Bingen, Margery Kempe, or Julian of Norwich) and refers to Marx and Gramsci, so he can’t possibly be anti-intellectual.

    Then again, the Christian right has a fascination with intellect. They envy it, and look for conservative figures that share their worldview. And at the same time, they heap scorn and contempt on anyone who has even a little intellectual curiosity. Critical thinking? Literature? Music and the arts? Subversive rubbish that poisons the minds of children! Do these teachers think they’re so much better? How very dare they interfere with parental indoctrination?!

    Back to Mr Baucham: I repeat, his scholarly references and post-modern jargon allow his readers to gloss over the fact that, like Michael Pearl, he is a vicious bully, whose goal is to break children’s wills. He’s especially keen on turning girls and young women into sister moms and surrogate wives, and cultivating a select few to be the next generation of cultural enforcers.

    But I doubt he will go sovereign any time soon. However much he may rail against tax dollars going into public schools, he benefits greatly from his ministry’s tax-exempt status. And he has too much invested in steering Southern Baptist families further to the right to drop out.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Psst…you forgot, Hate is Love and 2+2=5.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Sorry! So much doublethink, so little time.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    No big deal. I mean, we’ve always been at war with Eurasia, Big Brother is watching, and it’s time for me to attend the Two Minute Hate.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Perhaps this is one of the reasons that conservative Christians are so keen on defunding and destroying public schools.

  • Joyce

    Somewhere they got confused and started using Nineteen-Eighty-four as a training manual.

  • katiehippie

    Sexting leads to suicide? I’m doing it rong.
    What an idiot.

  • Allison the Great

    All the up-votes!

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Ah, you’re too kind. Thank you. Just doing my duty as a Mega Sinner.

  • pinkie

    And The Handmaid’s Tale.

  • Julia Childress

    I wonder if he understands that about 60% of Ivy League students are from public high schools? To hear him describe public schools, you would think that those lucky few students who weren’t molested by teachers or other students had to run the gauntlet every day avoiding drug dealers, rabid Marxists, shooters and other hazards. About 10% of American students are in private schools and another 3% are homeschooled. Who does he think is occupying most of the jobs in this country? Who does he think is paying the taxes? Where does he think the nurses, doctors, firefighters, plant workers, utility workers, IT specialists, teachers, journalists, fast food workers, farmers, military members, etc., etc. come from? What a complete idiot. Yes, you pay taxes even if you don’t have kids, but you reap enormous benefits by having access to all the services provided by all of the aforementioned. Our public schools are struggling for sure. Instead of disparaging them and threatening to eliminate them, how about we work harder to fix them? It makes me want to weep to think of all of the wonderful teachers, and the students, many of whom work so hard to do the right thing. What a slap in the face. In terms of intellect, Bible knowledge, charitable volunteerism, kindness, and respect, I would put my public-educated kids up against his ill-informed, protected, hot-house kids any day.

  • Nea

    It’s a hell of a thing on the conservative platform when the government does anything right. Can’t be having that!

  • persephone

    “The clock struck thirteen.” 1984’s doublespeak is the vacuum these people live in. Up is down. Wrong is right. Pain is love.

  • pl1224

    Extremely well said–kudos!!!

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Teachers are being put in a horrible position where they are stuck in the middle between parents disapproving of the quality of education and issues with the academic performance of their child(ren) and the administration plus unions who are more like executives in corporations the way they mismanage to their benefit the funds intended for improving the student outcomes. My parents retired almost 8 years ago – my mom donated the few thousand books that used to be part of her classroom library, all of which she paid for out of pocket, while my dad made a sizable charitable donation to a local food bank after he’d been giving kids gift cards to grocery stores and restaurants for many years while in the classroom after seeing so many hungry students whose only meal that would be absolutely certain was the free school lunch. I know that they’re only two people who spent 40 years a piece as educators, but there are a few bad apples in every occupation, it’s how human society is – some occupations are more attractive to and accumulate more bad apples, but teaching doesn’t pay well enough for it to be overrun by those types.

    I can’t wait for the day when he needs a real doctor and there are none to be found for hundreds of miles, especially none who were raised according to his specifications. And after several hundred miles traveling on busted roads he dies while waiting in line to be checked in by a triage nurse.

  • Julia Childress

    Kudos to your parents for dedicating their working lives trying to make a difference in the lives of children. The QF types haven’t thought through how they will be able to continue their quality of life if A. half of their population can’t be employed and B. the half that is able to be employed isn’t properly educated. I’m sure their answer would involve Jesus coming again soon.

  • gimpi1

    My sister is a K-3 teacher. I attended public schools, as did my husband. My nephews attend public schools, my step-daughter attended public schools, and I have several friends with kids in various public-school systems.

    I’ve never seen any massive disfunction. Isolated incidents, yes, systemic disfunction, no. All the public-school alums I mention above are doing fine, in general, better than many home-school alums.

    Where is Mr. Baucham getting this nonsense? Oh, wait… he’s making it up. Just like much of his dogma.

  • gimpi1

    Good list.

  • gimpi1

    Yes, good thoughts.

    We need an educated citizenry for our society to work. It’s in all of our best interests to see to that, just as it’s in all of our best interests to see to roads and bridges, police and fire protection, medical and retirement systems and a functional military. We all pay taxes. I don’t get to decide the allocation for the military is too large and Mr. Baucham doesn’t get to decide that public schools shouldn’t be supported because Marxism… whatever that is supposed to mean in this context.

  • gimpi1

    Well then, you did your duty well.

  • Astrin Ymris

    They ignore the fact that Christians have expected the Second Coming to be “soon” for 2,000 years now. History is just more secular humanist propaganda.

  • RetroPam

    “Student-teacher sex scandals, student-student sex, immodesty, foul language, drugs, alcohol, radical homosexual agendas, teachers taking students for abortions, “sexting” leading to suicide, sexually transmitted diseases, brutal beatings, and school shootings. These are just some of the headlines that have become the norm. And that does not include things like cheating, disrespect for authority, impropriety towards the opposite sex, and other moral behaviors children learn regularly and repeatedly in school.”

    Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex. That’s all that these people obsess about. I think they need to see the exorcist themselves.

  • Julia Childress

    QF and CP are fear-based dogmas and the leadership has a talent for finding the cloud in every silver lining. For them, the sky is perpetually falling.

  • gimpi1

    I think that’s just a marketing tactic. For their chosen demographic, fear sells.

  • Julia Childress

    Yes, fear sells. Think about the NRA and also the run-up to the invasion of Iraq (“what do we do, wait until we see a mushroom cloud?”) That’s one of the reasons why critical thinking skills are so important, one of the very things that QF/CP want to make sure is not part of the education of their children.

  • gimpi1

    And that’s exactly why I want some regulation on both home and private schooling. Critical-thinking skills are vital for citizens in a democratic republic. Iraq is not a threat to our survival. Terrorism is not a threat to our survival. An uneducated, credulous citizenry is.

  • Julia Childress

    Many votes up.