Scott Brown’s Seven Questions For True Believers

Scott Brown’s Seven Questions For True Believers July 14, 2015

Vyckieby Vyckie Garrison No Longer Quivering founder

Very interesting … Scott Brown recently added a video to the National Center for Family Integrated Churches network page with a disclaimer stating that NCFIC doesn’t actually evaluate the churches listed in the network, and he lists seven questions to ask which supposedly will help True Believers™ find “healthy congregations.”

Scott Brown’s seven criteria seem to me like the perfect recipe to guarantee serious spiritual abuse:

#1 – Does this church preach the true gospel?
#2 – Does this church place the Lord Jesus Christ at the center of everything?
#3 – Is the Bible the ultimate authority in this church?
#4 – Does the pastor attempt to biblical exposition, or is he simply speaking out of his own passions?
#5 – Is the church elder led, or is the senior pastor biblically qualified? Ideally, we recommend you go to a church with multiple biblically-qualified elders.
#6 – Does the church practice discipline?
#7 – Is the church age-integrated, or substantially so?

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  • Karen the rock whisperer

    #1 makes me laugh. All churches preach the True Gospel (TM). Mind you, they mostly disagree on what that is.

    #6 strikes me as a Big Red Flag of abuse.

  • katiehippie

    Who gets to decide what ‘biblically qualified’ means? Or is that just fundie speak for ‘men’?

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Ooh, seven bits of propaganda and Bad Wisdom. Lovely. Let’s see if I can decipher:

    1: “All those other churches are false. We’ve got the One True Truth.”
    2: “We’re so dedicated to Jesus, that we’ve made him Lord, Savior, and Supreme Micromanager of Everything!”
    3: “We don’t need nuance or critical thinking, because Bible, Bible, Bible!”
    4: “If a pastor doesn’t adhere to the Bible in a slavish way, he’s not a Real True Pastor.”
    5: “Priesthood of believers? Not on our watch! A real church is stacked with patriarchal men, and their female enforcers, we mean, God-fearing wives, to keep the congregation in line.”
    6: “Those of you who deviate from what we say, sorry, from the teachings of our One True Church, will pay dearly. We have ways of making you comply.”
    7: “You will be happy to know that your children, like your women, are grouped together, as property should be. (And if anyone harms your children, it’s your fault for not tightening the reins, and their fault for leading a poor, innocent man into sin.”)

  • Julia Childress

    Qualifications for being an Elder: 1 Timothy 3: 1-7 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full[a] respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap. Titus contains a slightly different list.

  • Allison the Great

    Yeah, I never really understood “church discipline”. As far as I’m concerned, no church should know enough about my life to be able to”discipline” me about anything going on in it. If they feel the need to do so, I can just stop going, problem solved. This whole discipline thing seems like a way to spiritually abuse people and control them.

  • Allison the Great

    Exactly. It’s like high school. It’s one clique (the elders) ostracizing a person who they think is undesirable. When you have a bunch adults who act like high school cheerleaders, having them say that you get to sleep in every Sunday morning instead of go to their shitty social club/church, then it should be considered a good thing.

  • Tuna

    There is nothing in that list about how the church supports its congregants.

  • Poster Girl

    Well, yeah. And of course what they do is pull you in so much that your entire social and even professional life (for what it is, after all women aren’t supposed to HAVE professional lives) revolved around the church. You join a “small group” for midweek meetings and Bible study, your kids join the youth group, you send your kids to the church-affiliated Christian school or homeschool them and then attend church-affiliated homeschool conferences, and you make professional contacts through the congregation. Then if they want to “discipline” you, they instruct the other members to completely shun you and they kick your kids out of the school.

  • Wookie Monster

    #1 – Does this church preach the true gospel?

    I couldn’t get past this one. How do you know which is the “true gospel?”

  • Wookie Monster

    Well, as we saw with both the Duggars and the Catholic priest abuse scandal. “Church discipline” basically means sheltering the elect from the real world consequences of their actions.

  • I’m confused, what the HELL is up with this “age integration” bullchip? I would *presume* that for a list like this, every question *should* be answered in the affirmative, so what’s the issue with “age integration”? Is it to keep teenagers from building relationships in their own peer-group separate from that of watchful adults? What’s going on with that?

  • Tyrone Jones

    EVER hear any Pastor get up & say that they don’t? That they twist things around or use a false Bible?

  • Wookie Monster

    Nope.

  • Tyrone Jones

    Exactly. I would love to pretend I was a Pastor and say all those things, how we scam you, screw with your minds, your women, your kids, lolol. Because while they won’t admit it, this is what they do.

  • Tyrone Jones

    What is TM?

  • Tyrone Jones

    You forgot that they must be blind followers, easily manipulated & willing to betray everyone for the church leaders and have their head up their steeple ass.

  • Tyrone Jones

    Oh NO, you CAN’T have THAT! They only support their own pockets and supposedly people in 3rd world countries….

  • Tyrone Jones

    What is age integration, never heard of it.

  • Tuna

    I thought it meant “Does the congregation include all ages?”

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    I don’t know how to do the symbol for “trademark” when typing comments. Lolly does! But I don’t find it humorous, I’m being truly snarky when I use that abbreviation.

    I know, snark isn’t the way to spread joy and happiness. But I have a scientist’s view of the world: knowledge is provisional. So people who claim to have the Truth, whether it be a True Gospel or True Economic Understanding or whatever, annoy the heck out of me.

  • Tyrone Jones

    Can’t tell you. Most cases I never felt a part of the congregation no matter where I attended. See, was on the poor side, not the right name or background, not mainstream, so I wasn’t one of the right people to know, and I didn’t have any children. I don’t go to churches anymore.

  • Tyrone Jones

    Ty for explaining the tm thing. As to facts only? If you study the brain, each area works differently. So some parts, esp. in our left hemisphere, learn differently. Should we limit our learning to the strict criteria to only 1 or a few parts of the brain? Why can’t we utilize the necessary but different criteria in a more balanced, integrate way to do checks and balances? Why must these methods and parts of us be kept entirely separate? There are 7 levels of thinking, multiple types of reasoning as well as listening types, there are 11 areas of knowledge, left and right hemisphere skills. There are 72 learning stiles, of which we relegate 71 of them under the label of learning disabilities. Do you see where I am going? If we combined them, esp more critical thinking skills we’re do better. I’m not saying that I know the truth, or the truth about everything, or about God. Noooooooooo. Just saying not every thing can be proven by only scientific criteria.

  • Tyrone Jones

    Fund speak for men. Disgusts me. Women are equal to men, at the least. Scriptures actually could imply that women are superior to men, as starting in Genesis. God never called Eve, Eve. God only called her Adam. She was created after Adam, and made differently from the man. She is the only creature not created from dirt/mud. She was fashioned. She represents the NEW CREATION, whether male or female. Women, contrary to what whacked out religious freaks teach was NOT created to pick up after men or for their sexual pleasure as property. Women do NOT need a husband or a Pastor to go through in order to reach God. Look to Luke’s story of the woman who Christ unbound and raised up to be equal to Him, who is also God. Look what she had to defy in order to get to her rightful place/status/healing & freedom.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    I totally agree; science (and here I disagree with some Famous Atheists) is certainly not sufficient for developing morality, for example. One needs philosophy and reason.

    I turn to science, and only science, for my understanding of external reality. And like I said, that understanding is always provisional. But my morality is also somewhat provisional. The more I learn, both in terms of the workings of external reality and internal assessment, the more I can refine my world view to be a better person. That takes all the bits of the brain, but doesn’t involve the supernatural.

    Douglas Adams’ famous joke about the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything being “42” really underscores my belief that there is no such Ultimate Truth. Or at least, such a thing that might be graspable by humans. It might as well be a number. That doesn’t keep me up at night, or keep me from humming along constantly trying to improve.