Quoting Quiverfull: No True Christian?

Quoting Quiverfull: No True Christian? August 31, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Michael Seewald from seewalds.com (father of Jessa Duggar Seewald’s husband Ben) – Grief, Shame And Taking The LORD’S Name In Vain

Editor’s note: Sad to see someone close to the Duggar family use the same awful shaming technique many of us here have experienced, the ‘you were never a real Christian’ stance. Was Josh Duggar ever a real Christian? We don’t know, nor does Michael. He’s doing more harm that good here by judging if someone else has ‘real’ faith. Most of us got this same treatment the minute we deviated from the established ‘norm’ at our former churches or faith communities. We’ve seen Christians minimize others using the “No True Scotsman” fallacy for years.

To the person reading this, I want to caution you. Josh was a pretender. True Christians fail often, but their lives are truly being conformed to the image of Christ. Do not look at Josh and justify your own sins by dismissing the reality of genuine faith and a holy God. When you stand before God, you will not be compared to hypocritical Christians. You will be judged by God’s holy law. When you are found guilty, you will not get to say, “But what about Josh? I’m better than he is”. God’s wrath will burn against you because of your own sins.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Allison the Great

    Give me a fucking break! Christianity itself has always been kind of a screen for the so-called pretenders to hide behind. They’re all pretenders. There was never any real morality there. It was just used as a weapon and a rod to control others. They never wanted to be the moral high ground. If they did, they would have renounced most of the violent and sociopathic shit that’s in the bible.

    Mr. We’re-All-Molesters-We-Just-Don’t-Do-It-Because-We’re-Afraid-We’ll-Get-Caught can take a long walk off a short pier into shark and crocodile infested waters.

  • Jenna

    It’s a dangerous stance, to be honest. When you say, “No true Christian would do ____,” you’re saying that you don’t believe this to be a problem Christians need to consider. Say you’re dealing with a case of a child predator in the church. If you say that no true Christian would be a child predator, you’re brushing it aside. You’re saying that there’s no reason to suspect that anyone else in that church might be a child predator, and so therefore precautions are not necessary.

    It’s very possible for all faiths and even in secular society. Anyone can be a danger. And if someone is falling through the cracks, then it’s worth considering that maybe those cracks need to be checked. Maybe there needs to be a process for catching and (better) preventing these things. You can’t fix a problem if you’re not willing to admit it exists.

  • BondGurl7

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall during the “discussion” between the Duggars and their daughter’s father-in-law, now that he has publicly smeared their prized eldest son.

  • Mel

    A) I wonder how many views per post Mr. Seeward’s blog jumped when Ben started courting Jessa. This explains why his family didn’t bother to point out to their young son that Jessa didn’t seem to like him.

    B)How is the “No true Christian because of fruits of the Spirit” different in practice than the despised “Catholic” idea of salvation by works? (I can’t see the difference as a Catholic mainly b/c the spin against salvation by works vastly oversimplifies Catholic theology. )

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Michael Seewald: aspiring QF luminary, killjoy who thinks too highly of himself, or a combination of the above?

  • Aimee Shulman

    I didn’t follow the courting story of Jessa and Ben…did she really seem unwilling?

  • Kitty

    I vote combination. It was interesting to read the comments on that post. Of course, a lot of obsequious apologists, but also actually a few people who pointed out that Matthew 7:16 (Ye shall know them by their fruits…) refers to false prophets and applies more to Bill Gothard than to Josh Duggar. Josh is merely evil fruit.

  • Kitty

    I wonder how pissed Anna is at her father. Wasn’t he supposed to make sure she married a True Christian™?

  • SAO

    This is just ludicrous. By saying “When you stand before God . . .you will not get to say, “But what about Josh?” he’s suggesting that the average Christian has the maturity of a seven year old whining because the younger sib has fewer chores.

    But the issue is that 1) Josh fooled basically the whole world. If he hadn’t been famous, he’d never have been found out and
    2) The whole Duggar lifestyle is about ensuring that children are raised to be True Christians ™ and it obviously failed.

    Which leads one to the conclusion that you can’t really know what any of the Duggars really think and believe.

  • I have a terrible feeling she’s too upset at herself for being a wifely failure then she is at her dad for arranging that disastrous marriage. Because I’m sure there’s just no “Question Dad” in her head at all, if she was brought up QF.

  • ydnas639

    I am an Atlanta native. I have a huge family, most of which are loud-mouth bible thumpers. I grew up chin deep in God Fearin’ Christians.
    To my knowledge, I’ve never met a ‘true Christian.’

  • cunning linguist

    I wonder if we have an instance of the ‘biblical marriage’ requiring the woman to marry her rapist.

    And, if so, did Ben properly compensate the Duggar fruitcakes cult?