Part Two – Tim Keller on the Meaning of the Sex Act in Marriage: A Virtual Dialogue With Shirley Taylor

Part Two – Tim Keller on the Meaning of the Sex Act in Marriage: A Virtual Dialogue With Shirley Taylor September 5, 2015

Undermuchgraceby Cindy Kunsman cross posted from her blog Under Much Grace

The previous post discussed the Doctrine of the Eternal Subordination of the Son in the Trinity which the Southern Baptist Convention falsely contends has been the only orthodox understanding of the Trinity since the original Biblical texts were penned and a belief always held by theologians.

In Keller’s book, The Meaning of Marriage, he goes on to quote George Knight III in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in a statement of agreement:

Paul saw that when God designed the original marriage, He already had Christ and the Church in mind. This is one of God’s great purposes in marriage: to picture the relationship between Christ and His redeemed people forever!

Shirley Taylor responds to this statement in her book Dethroning Male Headship in the discussion of the “Sexualization of the Trinity”:

Salvation by faith has been replaced

They have made the marriage bed into God’s grand design and demoted salvation by faith into a secondary design. But salvation for the Church Body was God’s grand design, not the marriage bed. Procreation was part of God’s grand design in marriage, and the Bible does not shy away from sex. However, God’s command to be fruitful and multiply does not indicate that the sex act reflects God Himself. Sex is procreational and recreational, but it is not symbolic of the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

In case you’re wondering who this Shirley Taylor is, I love how John Pierce describes her in the publication, Baptists Today:

[Quoting Shirley]


“We have sent emails and faxes to Paige Patterson, Al Mohler, the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention, the Southern Baptist Convention, Baptist General Convention of Texas, Lifeway Book Stores, Baptist encampments and Baptist newspapers. 

[Blog host note:  Add to this list the document sent to the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood]

“How much does a snowflake weigh? Almost nothing, but one snowflake upon another can cause a tree limb to break. This is my snowflake. I add it to the weight of all those others who have come to realize that women should claim the equality that is already given them by Almighty God.”


Two editorial observations [as noted by John Pierce]:

1. There are other places in Baptist life where women are affirmed and other groups (such as Baptist Women in Ministry) where this concern is addressed.

2. However, I wouldn’t underestimate the impact of one Texas grandmother’s *woman’s snowflake.


*Shirley asked that the notation of “grandmother” be noted as “woman” because she is first and foremost a woman, and she doesn’t mean to limit any woman’s effectiveness or impact based on age.  And she is far more than a grandmother.

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Read this blog host’s response to Keller’s statement in the next post.


Part 1

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Cynthia Mullen Kunsman is a nurse (BSN), naturopath (ND) and seminary graduate (MMin) with a wide variety of training and over 20 years of clinical experience. She has used her training in Complementary and Alternative Medicine as a lecturer and liaison to professional scientific and medical groups, in both academic and traditional clinical healthcare settings. She also completed additional studies in the field of thought reform, hypnotherapy for pain management, and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) that is often associated with cultic group involvement. Her nursing experience ranges from intensive care, the training of critical care nurses, hospice care, case management and quality management, though she currently limits her practice to forensic medical record review and evaluation. Most of her current professional efforts concern the study of manipulative and coercive evangelical Christian groups and the recovery process from both thought reform and PTSD.

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