Quoting Quiverfull: Being Happy During Sorrow?

Quoting Quiverfull: Being Happy During Sorrow? September 13, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Megan Van Vuren from No Greater Joy – The Lord’s Mercies Never Fail

Editor’s note: While this flogging a book written by not by Michael and Debi but by one of their ministry people Erin Harrison it seems from the cover and this paragraph that it’s merely another doubling down on the ‘Don’t ever have negative emotions’ thing tha NGJ does so well. We’ve all seen how well not being allowed to feel your own real emotions works out. Curious that they chose to promote this on the 14th anniversary of 9/11.  Are they implying that you can have joy and peace during the one of the most massive tragedies in America by controlling your thoughts? Seems a bit tacky if that’s the implication.

Why do some people have sadness accompanied with madness, while others with just as much sorrow are filled with thanksgiving and joy? The answer is abundantly obvious. Most people never taste of the LORD’s daily mercies because they do not daily visit the throne of mercy to find grace to help in time of need (Hebrews 4:16). God is a worldwide distributor of grace and mercy, but he doesn’t send you a dose unless you order it. He loves a repeat customer who orders daily.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Nea

    “You’re upset about the worst mass lured on American soil because you don’t know God right.” Classy.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Shorter Megan Van Vuren: Not happy in the midst of trouble and sadness? It’s your fault for not getting your daily hit from the Lord.

  • Mel

    Nice try. Biblical support for being mad at God:

    Genesis 4:4-10 (Cain and Abel; notice that the problem is killing Abel, not being pissed off at God…..)
    Most of the Book of Exodus involves some really pissed off Israelites – whom God gives good things to while they are angry.
    Psalm 22:1 “My God, my god, why have you forsaken me?….”
    Psalm 42:9-10 “I say to God, why have you forgotten me….”
    Psalm 89:46-51 “How long will you hide yourself from me….”
    Jeremiah 20:7-10 “You deceived me, Oh Lord, and I was deceived….”

    If God is strong enough to make, sustain and redeem the world, God can deal with humans being pissed of at God.

  • Evelyn

    Yeah, because God is stingy like that.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    My experience is that peace, at least, comes from calming one’s mind and focusing on what one CAN do, to make things better. I’m not a Buddhist, but that sort of focus makes sense to me. And that can be done even though there’s great source of distress, either personal or political or social.

    I’ve never really understood what fundagelical Christians mean when they talk about joy, so I’m not going to go there.

  • persephone

    Chasing God (the dragon) every day because you never get a high like the first again.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    And the first one’s free…

  • Mel

    My church teaches that while honoring – as in respecting your parents as far as is sensible given their behavior – is a life-long commandment, obeying them is not required once the age of majority is reached or if they are abusive.

    Likewise, if a church community needs to quote “do not forsake gathering together” for any reason, something is badly wrong.

  • Friend

    That’s a very astute point. They’re trying to live by example but can’t resist pointing it out. Not a cool thing to push on friends via social media.

    Madeleine L’Engle was an Episcopalian who believed in universal salvation, according to Wikipedia, and that seems consistent with what little I have read of her. She seems to have been a bit like Tolkien and C. S. Lewis, just putting her work out there without insisting she possessed the One and Only Truth.

  • Friend

    You’re doing the right thing. Peace and clarity will come your way, and I hope you are starting to experience both.

    You matter. You matter infinitely.

  • QE2

    No longer attending the church where the pastor, in the pulpit, announced that “do not forsake gathering together” meant we are commanded to go to the Wednesday night small group meeting…

  • QE2

    Good for you! I have as little contact as possible with mine. Take as much time as you need to heal. If at some point, contact is necessary, you will be in a better place and can choose your boundaries. What always helps me is to ask myself-what would normal people do? And use that as a guide. (Not always applicable as these people are far from normal, but helps me to see a way that I can act-just because she is a nut job doesn’t mean I have to respond to her in an unhealthy way)

  • Astrin Ymris

    Okay, now I’m thinking of ‘Birdcage in Your Soul’ by They Might Be Giants.


    Because we ALL need a Little Glowing Friend from time to time. ;-D