Quoting Quiverfull: Public School is Creating Indoctrinated Herd Mentality?

Quoting Quiverfull: Public School is Creating Indoctrinated Herd Mentality? September 14, 2015

quotingquiverfullRay E. Moore of Exodus Mandate as quoted by Raw Story – Christians Urge Parents to Save Their Kids From Indoctrination With an Exodus From Public Schools

Editor’s note: I don’t think that our government is organized enough to have an actual agenda to turn all American children into an unquestioning herd of robots like Moore is claiming in the first part of his piece. While Common Core may not be the best thing for education, it remains to be seen, it’s not trying to indoctrinate Christian kids to leave the church. Part martyrbating and part fear mongering. Every parent should be free to decide what type of education they want for their children and what will be best suited for each individual child.

“To think we can win the culture war when a majority of Christian children are still being indoctrinated in the public schools doesn’t pass the common sense test, much less the theology test,” Moore told the website. “And so Christians are derelict and irresponsible, in my judgment, if they continue to put their kids in these pagan, godless, atheistic public schools.”

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Allison the Great

    It’s entertaining to see someone who tirelessly promotes a culture where there is a herd mentality try to scare people out of getting a real education because of… herd mentality. The Evangelical subculture is absolutely horrible to anyone who doesn’t go along with the herd, to the point that they’re sent to camps and schools that are run by Gothard and others. They tell you to never ask questions, lest you’ll let the devil deceive you and infect the others.

    Then you read websites like A Lovely Calling, Girl Defined, Ladies Against Feminism, Above Rubies where the Stepford Robots who run those sites repeat the same rhetoric over and over again while trying to convince the rest of us that they can think for themselves. It’s laughable.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Translation: Our belief system can’t stand up to even the mildest competition– such as kids learning that a lot of good, decent people don’t buy our anti-intellectual, homophobic, misogynistic biblical eisegesis, yet live happy, fulfilling lives. How can we retain the next generation if they’re exposed to visible proof that we’re talking out of our asses?

  • Saraquill

    Pagan=/= atheist. The person quoted does not make a good case for their idea of Christian education.

  • Benoît Firer

    “pagan, godless, atheistic.” What ?

    I also find it funny that these people are always tooting about the STRENGHT of their faith and how it’ll topple mountains, but won’t ever allow their kids within a hundred feet of an atheist because that’s apparently enough to corrupt them for life.

    Gee, maybe basing one’s worldview entirely around arguments from authority doesn’t fare so well when put against people who have actually thought independantly about moral matters and can argue with logic…

  • Mel

    I’ve worked on CC curriculum work for nearly 10 years. The truth is that t most of the fear mongering about CC is created by homeschooling groups trying to rally around an anti government agenda. Those people can’t tell the difference between a standard and a curriculum and are simply looking to get more followers.

    Well, and justify turning out subpar graduates of homescooling…

  • Finding Home

    I have a close friend who’s a very, VERY conservative Christian. She and my daughter had a vigorous discussion about racism and white privilege. She argued and argued with my liberal daughter and finally told me later, “I just want her to be able to think for herself!” And I thought, “No, you want her to think like you do.” The same people who would preach messages about raising strong young people who can think for themselves are appalled if they actually do and end up forming an opinion that’s different from what they’ve been told.

  • jennabobenna

    In thirteen years of public schooling, not counting college, I’d say 95% of my teachers were members of a Christian denomination. If anything, the kids in our school system were surrounded by Christian indoctrination. In fourth grade, students in the corporation have the opportunity to attend weekly religious education at an area church. A decades-long program that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. FCA was the biggest extracurricular group in middle school and high school. God hasn’t been erased from our schools anymore than math or science. The only difference between public schooling and homeschooling is that public school teachers are required to teach a curriculum that encourages free critical thinking.

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  • SAO

    These people would hate public schools more if there was religion in them, because since few of these hard-core fundies agree on doctrine, whatever the school religion was, 99% of them would disagree with it.

  • Joyce

    I had no idea you had Pagan schools in the US. Cool.

  • paganheart

    Oh if only we actually did….Keep in mind that to these people, “Pagan” is a synonym for “Atheist” or “Satan worshipper” or “Any person who does not worship Gawd or Jeebus exactly the very same way I do.”

  • Mrs. Sunshine

    He had me at “culture war”. We are Christians and our kids go to public school. I have not had any of the scary stuff happen that people like this are freaked out about. All I have experienced is nice people helping my kids learn.

  • Allyson Smith

    Hey, be fair. How else are these parents supposed to shield their kids from facts and keep them from realizing that evil-lution, unlike biblical creationism, is heavily supported by scientific evidence?

  • Friend

    Yes, and in many schools, the kids meet others who have very different lives.

  • Joyce

    So true. Years ago when I was living in Australia, I knew a guy who referred to my Muslim and Catholic friends as “pagan.” And he wasn’t being ironic.

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  • gimpi1

    Yes, it’s interesting that your friend apparently couldn’t see that your daughter can think for herself, and she had thought her way to profoundly different conclusions than your friend.

    Frankly, if the friendship can take it (and it can’t be much of a friendship if it can’t), say this to your friend. For some reason, we all tiptoe around our conservative acquaintances, as though they are too fragile for real discussion.

    I think that’s a mistake. First of all, it’s insulting, assuming that conservative people are so fragile that they can’t hold their own. Secondly, it leads many conservative people to a false view of how wide-spread their opinions are. I’ve heard people say, “Well, most everyone agrees with me. When I say (Obama’s a Muslim Atheist, black people are actually privileged, climate change is not happening – fill in the blank) no one says anything, so I know they agree. They’d challenge me if they didn’t.” The idea that people simply don’t want the stress or frustration of arguing is often not on their radar, for some reason.

    I think it’s healthy for people to get push-back when they adopt extreme beliefs. That doesn’t take away their right to their beliefs, but it lets them know that they are heading out on a long limb. That’s good information to have.

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    Yes, at all public schools there are gangs, shootings, rapes, and atheists – and that’s just in the classrooms! Girls are handed birth control pills when they go to that special class for all the girls, by the pervert homosexual male teachers! Oh, and boys are exposed to live-action pornography – female teachers need to be given a dress code that specifies they must wear UNDERWEAR at public schools!

    Best to just keep your pure and perfect children at home, where their parents can be in charge of their education, which of course must include overly dramatic super scary stories about what happens to kids who go to public school because their parents don’t love them as much as REAL Godly parents love their kids.

  • Finding Home

    I appreciate your input and it’s good advice, but I disagree with one thing you’ve said. I think we tiptoe around our conservative friends because in my experience with Christians, love is conditional. It’s based on whether or not we “behave” and can be withdrawn if we transgress. Even if the love or friendship isn’t withdrawn there tends to be much sighing and bemoaning of our failings, followed by constant attempts to talk us back into the right path. Should I allow this? Probably not. Will I continue to put up with it? Probably yes. 🙂

  • gimpi1

    I think you’re right, with many people, love, friendship or acceptance is conditional. In my experience, conservative Christians are more prone to this than some others, though it’s by no means their province alone.

    However, many people simply aren’t that socially adept. If that’s the case, that’s what I mean about providing good information.

    For instance, if I were to come out with a, well, unusual opinion (something like ‘shoot all lawyers’) and the room went quiet and people started looking at the floor, or their watches or each other, I’d understand that I’d said something that was making people uncomfortable. I would then back-pedal, make a joke or do something to defuse the tension. Some people, and in my limited experience, conservative Christians are more prone to this, simply don’t pick up on that social clue. They blunder on, oblivious to the discomfort and disagreement around them, assuming that silence equals consent or that their arguments are convincing people, since no one is saying otherwise. Except they are, just not in a language that is being understood.

    For my money, right now, I challenge people. Politely, kindly, and only when I know the facts, but I challenge them. Here’s why; I figure if they’re just blundering socially, they will be better off with the information that their actions are off-putting, and if their affection is conditional on total agreement or submission, they don’t really care about me at all, and I’m better off with that information.

    However, I understand fully that that’s my choice, and I would never presume to insist others choose the same way. It’s just a suggestion.

  • Finding Home

    Thanks! It’s something that I’d never even considered and I believe you’re right. My friend has often lamented her lack of friends at her work, but she also tells me stories of witnessing and setting people straight. Looking back now I can see how these two things together illustrate your point.

  • gimpi1

    Glad you found this idea worth considering. I hope you can help your friend understand how to be a little well, more friendly to those around her. It might make her (and you) happier. Good luck.