Quoting Quiverfull: Part 1 – Justifying Child Abuse?

Quoting Quiverfull: Part 1 – Justifying Child Abuse? October 28, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Michael Pearl from Above Rubies Magazine – The Rod and Reproof

Editor’s note: We’re going to look at Michael Pearl’s latest claims that his child training advice does not lead to kids that think violence is the answer. He’s still trying to say that those that beat their children to death during discipline aren’t doing it right, or truly following his advice. This is even more horrific in light of the beating death of Lucas Leonard at the hands of his parents and church members in upstate New York just a few weeks ago. Any time you take up ‘The Rod’ there’s always a chance that the adult administering the ‘correction’  might lose control and beat the child to death, no matter how Michael Pearl frames his advice.

The progressive secularists intimidate parents with assertions that spanking children causes them to use violence to solve problems.

It is stated so many times and with such conviction that parents who should know better have suffered an erosion of their confidence. The conclusion of these “researchers” is based on the reported experience of professionals who work with juvenile delinquents and violent criminals. A large number of those who have committed violent crimes will confess, among other things, that they were spanked, beaten, or in some way physically violated when they were children. Thus the statistician concludes that these offenders’ violent history is a result of the violence done to them. All forms of physical discipline are thrown into the mix, including criminal acts of violence and abuse. There is no attempt to separate spanking administered in moderation by loving parents from criminal beating. The progressive views all forms of corporal chastisement as “hitting.”

It is true that a small percentage of children in a home filled with anger, violent corporal punishment, and hitting do grow up to become equally mean and violent. But it is also true that a small percentage of kids who were never physically disciplined grow up to be violent, even mass murderers. It is also true that the vast majority—greater than 99%—of children who suffered abusive physical punishment do not grow up to use violence against others. There is absolutely no correlation between corporal chastisement and violent tendencies in the chastened child. All social science reporting is controlled by special interests and is skewed to accommodate some social or political agenda. See my recently expanded book, To Train Up a Child. There is a lengthy section in defense of corporal chastisement, quoting a number of studies that clarify the issue.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • My father was physically abusive, both inside and outside of disciplining. He definitely did not “spare the rod”, as it were. When I was younger, I would often hit my sister when I was angry. My mom would always tell me “People that love each other don’t hit each other.” And then she would get upset when I would ask her why daddy didn’t love any of us.
    No matter how many times the parents claim they are doing it out of love, and that it’s for the child’s own good, the child just understands that they are being hurt-and scared. Some children will mirror what they know. Some will go the opposite direction, because they don’t want to become like their parents. And not just in regards to how they handle frustrations, anger, or disciplining.
    For example, my father was/is a raging alcoholic; his whole family has addiction problems and abuse issues. Because of this, I have had 2 sips of alcohol in my 29 years. My sister, on the other hand, was an out of control alcoholic by the time she was 23 and died from alcohol poisoning at 26.
    My point is: children, especially in the isolated cultures that favour PearlyWorld, have very few frames of reference for behaviours. So either they turn into their parents, or they defy them and become the polar opposite.
    People can’t learn what they aren’t shown. If you want your kids to become compassionate, empathetic adults, they need to be shown compassion and empathy. Not just being switched everytime they do something to irritate the adult in power.

  • Mel

    That’s a smooth attempt to both poison the well against social scientists and imply that “To Train Up a Child” somehow aligns with any position studied by social scientists involving legitimate discipline.

    There is a lot of research on corporal punishment and parenting. The huge point that Pearl obscures is that the categories that legitimate researchers are arguing about are “no spanking” and “spanking: one or a few open handed swats applied to the buttocks of a child with force limited to cause transient reddening of the skin but no bruising or damage to the skin.”

    NO ONE agrees that the Pearl method of hitting infants with flexible piping and increasing the diameter as the child gets older is legitimate. EVER.

  • Nightshade

    I want to know where he gets that 99% number from, until he produces a reliable source I don’t believe it.

  • Abigail Smith

    I am so sorry for what you suffered at the hands of your father. My mother was/is like that but without the alcohol.

    I do everything the polar opposite of my mother.
    No one can ever give me a good response to how hitting a child while saying “we don’t hit in this house” isn’t hypocritical….Doesn’t it bear to reason that Jesus would have shown an example of ‘proper spanking without anger’ in the bible? The only evidence I see is Him being totally loving to the children who came to Him.

  • BondGurl7

    What’s the saying? 98.5% of all statistics are made up? 😉

  • Nea

    Mikey’s fighting a three-front battle — and desperately throwing glitter in the air with his appeal to authority fallacy so we don’t notice it.

    Front #1: Studies that repeatedly show what he says they don’t show, and nothing either modern or reputable on his side

    Front #2: Social data from countries that have banned corporal punishment vs countries that encourage it. (Heck, we can do the same with states in the U.S., comparing crime and violence rates in the more liberal states v the more conservative, religious ones.)

    Front #3: The growing number of voices explaining that in their personal experience “spanking administered in moderation by loving parents” was indeed a criminal beating.

  • Nea

    Some children will mirror what they know

    MIkey, with his usual inability to hold a single thought for 5 minutes straight, talks in To Beat Up A Child about how much he *enjoyed* watching a child recreate his beating ritual with her dolls, complete with using a switch.

    She. Acted. Out. A. Whipping.

    If that’s not teaching a child violence, I don’t know what is. As Adrian Peterson’s story shows – he was “whupped” as a boy so didn’t think it was “violent” to leave bloody stripes all over a toddler’s legs, back, buttocks and genitals. Totally not “violence.”

  • Antoinette Herrera

    So, let me see if I understand what Michael Pearl is saying here: thrashing a child in anger is what creates violence and criminal behavior, but that same thrashing, done in a calm manner, perhaps with a helping of affection afterwards, is just what will create good, Godly children?!

    No no no. Michael Pearl just infuriates the hell out of me. ¡Qué cabrón!

  • I’m enjoying a lovely mental image of Michael tossing up a handfull of glitter, and spinning underneath it whilst laughing. Possibly with fairy wings.

  • SAO

    Well, I’ve seen plenty of kids whose parents never spanked them hit others. I think it’s an instinct, however, as you’ve pointed out, parents who spank or worse can’t tell their kids that hitting is unacceptable. These kids grow out of hitting when they grow out of temper tantrums as long as the parents don’t reward the hitting.

  • SAO

    If you ask a child to run a 5 minute mile and beat him when he fails, eventually you’ll have a teen or adult who can run a 5 minute mile. That doesn’t justify the training methods, because you could have produced the same result without the abuse.

    Social Scientists work to tease out cause from coincidence and use the results to inform their advice. Pearl makes no such effort. He encourages and advises parents not only to use abuse as their first choice, but to demand the impossible and punish far more harshly than necessary to produce the desired result. That’s abusive.

  • Rebecca Horne

    There are plenty of studies about corporal punishment that use school performance, parents’ reports about home life, cognitive tests and home videos as their basis.

    Just saying.

    ( they all link corporal punishment to negative results in just about every way imaginable.)

  • Joanna_Jordan

    I thrashed my kids cos I swallowed this caustic teaching. I thank GOD I was able to escape it, but damage is done. I’ll never forgive myself, as to whether my kids forgive me? I dunno. I hope they will one day. Some are remarkably forgiving; others are horribly bitter…… BUT I doubt any of them will replicate that satanic attack on families in the name “of Godliness” (PS my parents were worse)

  • Nightshade

    Sadly so did I, although the ‘advice’ in my case came from James Dobson and the local church-strange to look back on now, because Dobson was too ‘worldly’ for my fellow church-folk! Now I’m torn between wishing I’d never heard of Focus on the Family, and being thankful that I got my advice from him, not Mr. Pearl, who I had never heard of at the time. While Dobson’s teaching is also toxic he did include references to things like listening to your kids, considering why they do what they do, and not treating all apparent ‘disobedience’ as sin, which I probably took way more seriously than he ever intended, and resulted in my kids being treated more like human beings than little bundles of pure sin, and being much more honest with me and therefore better understood than they might have been under a Pearl-guided regime. I’ve apologized to them for numerous mistakes in how they were raised, and they seem to actually understand, which is far more than I really had any right to expect.

  • Joanna_Jordan

    I will find it hard to stand back quietly if any of my children follow these evil teachings with their children. Thankfully I don’ have friends who do. LIke you, Nightshade, I was prob ore into Dobson than Pearl, but still, the “spare the rod” stuff is pure evil.

  • Ayriel123

    He’s just pulling those percentages out of his ass.