Quoting Quiverfull: Hot Tranny Mess Kids?

Quoting Quiverfull: Hot Tranny Mess Kids? November 17, 2015

quotingquiverfullby Doug Wilson from Blog and Mablog – Defending the Trannykid

Editor’s note: Every time I think I cannot possibly find anything more offensive than something said by a Quiverfull Evangelical Fundamentalist prominent minister I find I am sadly mistaken. Just like Michael Pearl this guy, Doug Wilson, has to take it to new and disgusting levels. These are CHILDREN he’s talking about and putting down with derogatory terms such as the vile title I used on this piece. Again, where the heck is the love of Christ? Much of what this guy writes comes across as hate speech said merely to hurt others. His entire piece is vile, but I find this bit the most reprehensible. He’s talking about a Texas daycare that fired several workers for not calling a child by the gender the child and the child’s parents preferred.

In this case, Child Protective Services was called. Should they be, or not? Remember — there is no neutrality, ever. Some worldviews like Christianity, which actually invented childhood, object to the sexual exploitation of children, including this kind. Other worldviews, like the current kultursmog, get their jollies from such exploitation.

In the meantime, employment issues aside, on to the merits. Little girls are not little boys. Little girls cannot become little boys. But what if a female could be transformed into a male through our magic surgical prowess, or a male into a female by our jurisprudential juju? Suppose for a moment that we really could get down into the trillions of cells that make up a dude. We have isolated every single presentation of XY chromosomal machismo and we put a little dab of lipstick on each one. That would be really hard. It would be no easier with the trillions of cells that make up a chick. But we finally located every last XX display of maternal tenderness and gave each one some martial arts training, a set of nun-chucks, and some tight leather pants. Suppose we could actually do something like that.

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  • Nea

    This is the new hatred front, I think. They can’t give up the rigid gender roles but they also can’t “pray the gay away” anymore, so they’re turning all that hatred and bigotry onto trans people instead.

  • Saraquill

    Helping a child live as their preferred gender is a good thing. Guiding a barefoot Wilson onto a field of broken Legos is also beneficial, I feel.

  • Christianity invented childhood? In which century?

  • Mel

    It would explain why when Jesus said “Let the children come to me” everyone stared blankly since there were only big adults and little adults.

  • Mel

    Wilson needs a basic human genetics course and a statistics course.. We all need one X chromosome to live since the genes on it control scads of important functions like muscle repair, bone growth and repair, blood clotting protein production, and color vision for a short list.

    Males need one X and one Y, but the Y is active mainly during very early embryonic development. If the Y works, you get a boy. If something goes wrong, you get a girl or possibly a transwoman. No Y should give you a girl, but if something goes wrong, you can get a transman.

    Yes, across large groups of random humans (sample size of n is greater than 100), the women’s group will show more feminine characteristics like interest in caring for things, more verbal communication, and better ability to find objects in a visuallybusy background while the men’s group uses more non-nonverbal communication, more overt competition, and better visual acuity over distance. (For Doug, the problem isn’t sample size, per se; the problem is nonrandom sampling. )

    When you drop the sample size to one-as in that kid over there-statistics predict anything can happen because the range of feminine and masculine traits in males and females has a lot of overlap. Many men are good caregivers and women compete with each other.

    Genetics is not as black and white as Wilson has made it out to be.

  • Finding Home

    He sure is in love with how cleverly he strings words together.

  • Portia McGonagal

    BINGO

  • Astrin Ymris

    Oh, for the… it is not “sexual exploitation of children” when you validate their experience by acknowledging their gender identity. Sexual exploitation of children is what occurs when you use your influence to get a known child molester out of jail and arrange for him to have unsupervised access to kids.

    Why am I not surprised that Doug Wilson literally doesn’t know what sex crimes against children ARE?

  • Em

    He must have missed the last big MMA fight. Girls can kick his ass in marital arts.

  • Julia Childress

    Mel, I always learn something from you. You have just enlightened me as to why no man I have ever lived with has ever been able to find the mayonnaise in a crowded refrigerator. I’ll stop nagging them now, since now I know they can’t help it. Seriously, though, I do find that you explain things in a way that makes it easy to understand.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I second that! I always look forward to Mel’s comments/articles because I always learn something I didn’t know..

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    The extreme focus on rigid gender roles that link to secondary sexual characteristics has ALWAYS annoyed me, ever since my mother insisted there were things that women just couldn’t properly do — like study engineering (which I did), or sort out what needed doing with the tree-trimming company, or purchase a car, or what-have-you. As far as I could tell, even when really, really young, guys didn’t use their “special parts” to figure out which limb of the tree was too close to the house; as I got older, I came to believe that Fourier transforms didn’t work differently for men than for women, and that a car should be chosen by whoever would drive it most and negotiated for by whoever in the family was the better negotiator. So this Wilson jerk and I are not starting out in the same thought-universe.

    But somehow, it seems like believing trans people don’t exist (or are some evil perversion) is all one with believing that being gay is a choice always, or that the earth is 6000 years old, or that the red sea actually parted in walls of water, or that there was a global flood… or whatever. “In for an egg, in for a dragon,” a Harry Potter character said; once you decide that reality is optional, you can believe whatever you want and science be damned. But then there are no belief-boundaries; if there was a global flood, then by equally good logic there are no trans people and we should torture children who are exploring the notion that their gender might not match their (undeveloped!) secondary sexual characteristics. Never mind that science says otherwise. I have it right here in my Bronze Age Sheepherder’s Guide To The Galaxy!*

    *If you’re not a blblical literalist, and you don’t take the bible as being an inerrant Guide to the Galaxy, I’m not aiming this at you.

  • Friend

    Omigosh stopstopSTOP it with the showoff writing, dude. You’re a poseur, and hopelessly middlebrow.

  • Friend

    Exaaaaactly. And no medium-size adults, because teenagers were invented in the 1950s.

  • The Student

    This kind of attitude really bothers me. Not only is this dismissive of trans kids who will face a lot of discrimination throughout their lives, but it invalidates the preferences of a lot of cis kids that don’t fall into normal gender roles.

    Does this person actually believe that your genes dictate whether or not you like to rough house or play with the kitchen set, whether you like to play with trucks or dolls, whether you like to build or dress up?

    I bet his kids aren’t allowed to play with toys that are for the ‘wrong’ gender. That’s just going to make kids that never want to see him again after they turn 18.

    And on top of that, for the n’th time: Genetics isn’t everything!!!

    There are three biological ways of determining sex and gender, there’s the DNA, there’s the physiological appearance of the person, and there’s what’s in the brain. In most people those three things match up, but they don’t always. What would this asshole think of a kid with XY genes, but who looks like a girl? Do we listen to their body or their DNA?

    Hint: We ask them what their brain is saying

  • Alessandra Martellacci

    If only… He’d have to reach way up to be able to scratch middle brow. As it stands, he’s hovering near chode brow level, and falling.

  • Alessandra Martellacci

    Oh would they, please? 😛

  • Mel

    Thank you.

  • Aimee Shulman

    It fascinates me how the people who claim to be the only ones to truly recognize the ~glory~ and ~beauty~ of gender roles are the same ones who describe the genders in ham-fisted, icky-sounding cliches all the time

  • gimpi1

    What the… I can’t say that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, because I’ve read some things from Pastor Steve Anderson, but it’s in the top seven.

    Look, this isn’t a big deal. Pronouns aren’t that big a deal. Use what people prefer, even if you think it isn’t “right.” You don’t need to ram your definitions down everyone’s gullet. As an example:
    I did not take my husband’s last name when I married. When I’m formally introduced, I introduce myself as Ms. MyLastName. If someone knows my husband, and they insist on calling Mrs. HisLastName, I correct them politely. If they insist on continuing to call me by HisLastName, I walk away and make it a point to avoid them in the future, because refusing to use the name I prefer is the action of a total dick, and I have no need for one of those in my life. Now, I have had people argue that my “real” name is Mrs. HisLastName, because they personally don’t approve of women keeping their names when they marry. Again, total dick move. You don’t define my reality.

    You don’t define this families reality. Use the terms of address they prefer. If you can’t do that because of said total dickdom, get another job.

  • gimpi1

    I wondered about that, too. So, children didn’t exist for most of human history? How did that work?

  • gimpi1

    Thank you, Mel. Good breakdown of the genetics, and the reason behind a spectrum understanding of gender, rather than polar.

  • Only unlike childhood, adolescence was a bad invention, and therefore teenagers only exist in the secular world.

  • gimpi1

    Seconded. Facts matter. Facts trump mythology, belief, opinion and ideology. The geologic record is made up of facts. (I know I’m preaching to the choir on that.) The biologic record is made up of facts. Those facts trump the Bible, which is neither a history, biology, geology or astronomy text.

    If you can move into an alternate universe with a 6,000 or so old earth with “evidence” of a global flood 4,000 years ago, you can decide in that universe that trans people don’t really exist and gay people are “choosing” to be gay out of “rebellion” or that women can’t be trusted to make decisions or that the physics that describe the process of climate change are a “conspiracy.” And that’s bloody dangerous.

  • There are scholars who believe that for a long time, children weren’t treated much differently from adults once they passed the age of reason, however that was defined. For instance, children were given alcoholic beverages to drink at quite a young age, their clothes were similar to those of adults, they were expected to be apprenticed at young ages, and they weren’t sheltered from the facts of life. According to Phillippe Aries, author of Centuries of Childhood, childhood as a concept did not reach a familiar form until the 18th century. Christianity is more than a millennium older than that, so that’s why I asked in which century. It was more a way of asking, what took them so long?