Quoting Quiverfull: African Americans Are The ‘Real Racists’?

Quoting Quiverfull: African Americans Are The ‘Real Racists’? January 22, 2016

quotingquiverfullby Zsuzsanna Anderson from her blog Are They All Yours? – Joyous Kwanzaa? No Thanks!

Editor’s note: Every now and then one of the Quiverfull leaders will slip up and state that one of the aims of the Quiverfull movement is to outbreed darker races. Nancy Campbell has admitted it a couple of times along with a few others. Turns out, surprise, surprise, that Zsuzsanna Anderson, wife of pastor Steven L. Anderson is also a bigot against blacks.

What is the point of this post, you wonder? I would like to clarify, once and for all, that Black activists are the real racists. They are the ones who label African-Americans as an abused minority, which they are not. In turn, too many Black kids grow up with a chip on their shoulder, thinking Uncle Sam owes them a living, and viewing white people as the root of all their problems. It is no wonder so many of them grow up to live off government support, which in essence makes them enslaved to the government. Instead, somebody should have taught them that white or black, red or yellow, you have to work hard to make a living, and that griping about what wrong was done to your great-great-grandpa by people who are long dead will not make your life any easier. That instead of fighting the idealistic battle of a Marxist criminal, they would be better off investing time in their families and freeing themselves from dependence on the US government.

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  • SAO

    I wonder how many of Zsu audience is dependent on the US government. I’d bet the number isn’t small.

  • This is a very common sentiment here in the South. People who post bumper stickers with the confederate flag and words like “Forget? Hell!” on their cars are amazed that black folks just won’t put slavery behind them. I used to read a sports message board that began with fans of our state university and if you ever see “racism” in a thread title there’s a 99.9999% chance that some POC is being mean to some white dude.

  • Aloha

    Forgive, Forget, and Recover … why can’t you people just do this instantly?

    You sexual abuse survivors, get over it!
    Victims of Spiritual abuse, move on!
    Afro-Ams whose ancestors were underpaid even until the last decade, and who still cannot live in safety, time to forget the past.

  • Maura Hart

    people like these are so christ-like. he too was full of rage and fear, wasn’t he? isn’t that what all that love your neighbor and don’t be all judgey stuff was about? it would be wonderful if these bigots would take a homeschooled statistics class so they could learn that most of the welfare and food stamps are not used up by all african americans who only represent 10-13% of our citizens. alas. scary part is we might have a president soon who believes this bs as well

  • Saraquill

    Translation: Taking responsibility is for Other People.

  • Mirella222

    Except, racism isn’t something that is in the past. Studies have shown that when there is a “black” name at the top of a resume, the employer thinks less of them than if there is a “white” name….even if it is the same resume. Natural hair is still often seen as unprofessional. And let’s not even get started on the issues of mass incarceration, “random” car stops, and police brutality. When employers won’t hire you (or offer you a job but with lower pay), or when you have a criminal record (even if it is for something like petty theft of possession of weed), it can be hard to get by. I am sick of people railing against others who already have the deck stacked against them.

  • Portia McGonagal

    Part of my outsider fascination with Quiverfull has been wondering if there was an underlying racial component , so color me (no pun intended) not surprised at this.

  • Portia McGonagal

    Like the Bundy bunch in Oregon, many of whom ( along with their sympathizers) un-ironically and openly talk about their “government” checks.

  • Abigail Smith

    My 19 year old daughter was just telling me yesterday that she’s reading a biography of MLK Jr for her college class. She just started the book, and she told me that a line that stood out to her was that “My days in college were very exciting ones. As stated above, my college training, especially the first two years, brought many doubts into my mind. It was at this period that the shackles of fundamentalism were removed from my body.”
    I had no idea that he was shackled by fundamentalism in his childhood.

  • Nea

    Or the income from their foster ranch hands.

  • Nea

    It always is for the “personal responsibility” crowd.

  • Julia Childress

    QF philosophy is a religio-political-ethnic blend that is based on fear. They believe that the US was founded by western European protestants who are by divine providence superior to other cultures. They have great fear of the country being taken over by secularists, dark people and non-English speaking people. My experience with QF tells me that most are not overtly racist when it comes to individual people (assuming said people are non-Catholic Christians). However, they fear groups of people that they feel are not really Americans, but who may eventually take over the country. Hence their program to produce as many white Christian children as possible to keep this from happening.

  • Mel

    I read an article on Modern Feminist a few days ago titled something like “10 Responses to Conversations about White Privilege that are just plain stupid.” Zsu managed to start off with #1: People who talk about privilege are REALLY RACIST.

    Doubly ironic since Pres. Obama’s healthcare mandate saved Zsu’s family from utter bankruptcy when she had an extremely expensive pregnancy complication while uninsured that lined up with the first wave of no-preexisting conditions refusals for insurance with the 2014 open window for new enrollees. Her family could have never worked their way out of that financial hit – ever.

  • Julia Childress

    “That instead of fighting the idealistic battle of a Marxist criminal, they would be better off investing time in their families and freeing themselves from dependence on the US government.” What does this even mean? Does she think that people struggling to make ends meet are spending time studying Marx and plotting how to bilk her out of her husband’s hard-earned money?

  • Mel

    With an undertone of “I deserve mine, but others don’t deserve shit.”

    Again, deeply ironic from the family who would be in bankruptcy from her twin pregnancy that needed multiple maternal-fetal medicine consultations, laser placental surgery, an amniopatch, and ever so many ultrasounds except that Obamacare’s first open window for enrollment + no refusal due to preexisting conditions lined up perfectly so they only had a few thousand dollars in debt before Zsu signed up for a policy instead of 10-100x that much debt.

    By crowdsourcing, Zsu had gotten~$8,000 online from supporters. I doubt they could have raised $30,000 or $100,000.

  • Mel

    A) She believes that her family’s current financial situation is due entirely to the actions of her husband and herself without any input from “outsiders” or the government.

    B) Yes, she does. Everyone else is out to get the Andersons in the minds of the Andersons.

    C) I doubt she ever tallies up in her head how much money she gets due to in-kind donations to her especial-special family from supporters. I can think of clothing, sewing machines and toys that have been given to them by supporters. Oddly enough, when she gets handouts from people, it’s not charity even though I suspect often it is an act of charity.

    D) She’s still in total denial about the fact that governmental restraint on the insurance industry (aka Obamacare) saved her family from a medical bill of tens of thousands of dollars when her twin pregnancy needed advanced medical assistance.

  • Mel

    While Zsu was born and raised in Germany or Hungary, she’s also homeschooling her large family. It’s none so hard to read a book or two on US History to realize that people of color have been systematically excluded from governmental benefits, have had assets stripped illegally, and have been restricted from full-participation in commerce for hundreds of year.

  • progressive and proud

    She has some valid points. Many minorities do have a chip on their shoulders and do feel the whites owe them a living.

    I believe the vast majority however don’t feel that way and just want an even shot at life. People like this woman don’t see that and will vote to prevent any improvement in any poor persons life. It’s sad really.

  • B.A.

    Sadly,I think she’s referring to Martin Luther King as the “Marxist Criminal”. Many right-wingnut racists consider him a Communist.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    Ah, but if Zsuzsanna Anderson ever did read US History texts, she would probably shred the books for their “Marxist” propaganda. Pretty sure she would consider much of it a threat to her worldview.

  • Nea

    What part of working hard to make a living is covered by crowdsourcing? Especially crowdsourcing for personal reasons as opposed to funding the creation of something that will be shared with the donors?

  • Nea

    Oddly enough, when she gets handouts from people, it’s not charity

    I notice a lot of that in this lifestyle. Mikey Pearl “provides” for his family and his wife has had not just beg for her own medical bills, but food for the children. But they don’t take *charity.* Only irresponsible people take *charity.* And they’re certainly not beggars or anything…

  • katiehippie

    Chips on shoulders are not unique to any one group of people.

  • Nea

    I don’t know that it’s all that hard. A lot of grade-school level books simply “disappear” any information except for the “important” (and coincidentally white) movers and shakers.

  • Antoinette Herrera

    I wondered myself if she was referring to Dr. King. Though I get the impression that she would have said the same about Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. DuBois, Medgar Evers, and so many more.

  • Mel

    I believe that, but if she wants to be teaching her kids she should be hitting the adult-level history books.

  • BridgetD

    She should. That doesn’t mean that she is. Censorship and ignorance is a powerful weapon for those of extremist views (not limited to Quiverfull, but certainly not excluding). Anything that threatens their preconceived view of how the world should be is excluded.

  • Donna Beth

    I just wanted to share this. I live in the southeast U.S. Seeing confederate flags is not unheard of, though not as frequent as in the 60s until more recently. The other day, I was driving with my oldest daughter in the car when a big pickup came roaring by us with two large confederate flags attached outside somehow to the driver’s and passenger windows. I made a comment to my daughter describing what I thought about this prejudicial symbol, and her reply really hit me. This isn’t exactly verbatim, but what she said was this ” At least with those flags waving, we can identify who these bigots are, and know to avoid having anything to do with them. When they do this, we KNOW.”

  • BridgetD

    **Sigh**

    I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this. The evangelical fundamentalist groups often seem to have racial undertones. I just don’t know what to say to these people, since racism is a concept that I’ve never been able to fully understand for whatever reason. I don’t think that anything is owed to anyone, no matter how much or how little melanin your skin happens to produce. Yes, I’m looking at you Zsu. And Nancy. Should I go on?

    That said, even if you were an abhorrent kind of person who doesn’t care if the poor live or die, it’s only common sense to make sure that our people are taken care of. A hungry, sick, or otherwise desperate citizenry is less likely to be productive and more likely to resort to crime.

  • BridgetD

    Good point. I’m in Texas, and I see confederate flags here and there. Quite considerate of them, advertising their bigotry. That way, I suppose we can save ourselves the pain of interaction.

  • BridgetD

    That would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

  • Donna Beth

    I’m all for saving time. And my daughter has a valid point. If someone is that blatent about their ignorance and hate, I don’t want anywhere near them.

  • Allyson Smith

    Translation: real racism is making me feel bad for a second.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    It’s pretty hard to find a far-right group that doesn’t have some kind of underlying racial component…

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    I’m curious as to how that stuff about being saved by Obamacare is known? I mean, it’s not that I don’t believe it, it’s just that it seems like the kind of thing she’d never talk about, since it makes her and her husband look like hypocrites and their belief system look ridiculous. If she has been open about it, how does she actually handle that issue?

  • pl1224

    Ye gods and little goldfish–as if she works hard at being/doing anything–except possibly being an unthinking, incapable-of-taking-responsibility-for-anything, doormat.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    I had no idea she wasn’t born American. When did she come here? And was she raised fundamentalist in Europe?

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Yeah, but a lot of them also like to act like Dr. King is totes their buddy and that all these other black people demanding rights and equality are Doing It Wrong, not at all like Dr. King, the guy they can easily lionize now that he’s dead and judged a hero by history, would have done!

    I don’t know which one she is.

  • Petticoat Philosopher

    Many minorities do have a chip on their shoulders and do feel the whites owe them a living.

    What does this even mean?

  • Emily

    …Black activists are the real racists. They are the ones who label African-Americans as an abused minority, which they are not…

    Funny, isn’t it? how people who are being abused don’t ever seem to be qualified to determine whether or not they’re being abused? Only your abuser has the wisdom and authority to identify you as such. And- surprise, surprise! Turns out you’re not being abused so shut up already.

    Yeesh.

  • Nea

    That, I say cattily, would require her to be able to handle adult-level discourse and thought.

  • Wookie Monster

    And many white people, as Zsuzsanna Anderson, amply demonstrated, have a chip on their shoulder as well and do feel that the complaints of anyone outside of their own in-group never have any merit whatsoever.

  • jennabobenna

    There is a link on her blog to her husband’s version of how they met. Since I wouldn’t ask my worst enemy to read either blog, I’ll give you the short (-ish) answer: she met her husband when he was handing out tracts on a Bavarian street, she wasn’t a Christian and most likely held the fairly liberal (by American standards) secular worldview common to much of Western Europe (government intervention is good for society, etc.) prior to her now-husband’s intervention, only converting shortly before their marriage during a visit to his parents’ home in the US when she was in her early 20’s.

  • BridgetD

    Oh the hypocrisy.

    I understand not wanting to admit that you have depend on others for survival. My family had to take charity in order to squeak by on occasion, and I never felt comfortable with it, even as a child. It’s ridiculous, however, to condemn people who take charity, as it is often either that or having no food/water/electricity/clothing/medicine/etc. Very few people that I know feel entitled to the charity of others, or ungrateful when it is received. Some of our Quiverfull friends might fit in that category though, particularly with their insistence that what they get isn’t charity…

  • BridgetD

    I’m not going to pretend that they don’t have a reason to be bitter, but I understand what you’re saying for sure. I’ve lived in a few areas that had high African American or Hispanic populations. In those places, I’ve had a lot of assumptions, aggression, and guilt thrown my way by SOME individuals due to the color of my skin. This is, however, in no way the majority opinion, and these attitudes aren’t limited to POC. There are people who want preferential treatment over equality (unfortunately, I have known them), but most just want to have the same opportunities as everyone else.

  • Catherine

    You know, if I’d been systematically treated as a second class citizen for centuries, I’d have a pretty big fucking chip on my shoulder too.

    For someone who calls themselves “progressive” you seem to not understand the concept of privilege.