Quoting Quiverfull: If You Don’t Give Things Away You Don’t Really Trust God?

Quoting Quiverfull: If You Don’t Give Things Away You Don’t Really Trust God? March 13, 2016

quotingquiverfullby anonymous as reposted by Lori Alexander of Always Learning – Keeping a Home Beautiful on a Small Budget

Editor’s note: Most of this article is the typical ‘blah-blah-blah’ female cult enforcer idea that no matter how broke you are that you aren’t Godly or righteous unless you keep your home spotless and attractive to others. On a budget of course. How many different female cultural enforcers have we heard this nonsense from? How does it square up with the words of Jesus to Mary and Martha? I have done the every six months reorganize and donate for years now but still do not consider it anything to do with faith or God. Is it ‘spiritual’ or practical?

When we refuse to throw things out {or give them away to someone who could use them} we are actually wasting more time, energy and money than we are saving. Unless the things we save are actually useful to us {or are a family heirloom)}or if we hold on to them indefinitely they are more prone to ruin {dust, moths, water damage, etc.}, and we may not even be able to find them at the time we need them most–so we will have to go out and buy new anyway! There are exceptions to this: seasonal clothing, seasonal decorations, children’s clothing and the like. I use the “six-month rule” for pretty much everything else; if I have not required an item in the last six months, I probably don’t need it.

A lot of our effort in saving things actually is rooted in a lack of trust that God will take care of us, even if the future should turn bleak. Along with being frugal, we must learn to always trust in His provision. Giving to others, however, ensures that we have treasure stored up in Heaven, where nothing can touch it. Also, if we plant seeds and help meet the needs of others, God tells us we will reap a harvest that will bless us in our times of need.

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • guest

    The advice to get rid of stuff, declutter, give stuff you don’t need to people who need it, is great. The problem is the “if you don’t do it, you don’t trust God” statement. Sigh. That is a troublesome statement. Where do you draw the line?
    Last Christmas, our church did a big collection of clothing for the refugees in our city. While I was in the attic sorting through shoes, I found a winter rubber boot (the ones with wool lining) had been chewed up by some animal. It had been completely destroyed and its pair had been rendered useless by a couple of bites. I took any pair of shoes I didn’t think we’d be using this season and gave them away.
    Should I make a doctrine out of this now? No. I will share the story as a funny reminder not to hold onto things we’re not using and don’t think will be using soon enough. That pair of boots could have kept a child’s feet warm and dry had I not been so lazy about clearing my attic or had I not held onto things that we wouldn’t need for several years.

    If this article was written by Lori Alexander, I bet the writer has a nice savings account for her retirement. I don’t think she’s giving everything they have leftover away, “trusting the Lord” to provide for their retirement.

  • SAO

    It’s always amazing what petty bits of advice get a tacked-on threat that you’re can’t love God if you have don’t follow these decluttering rules, if your hem is a centimeter too short, if you don’t do this, do that or do the other thing.

    Sure, it’s good to declutter, but leave God out of it.

  • Nea

    Wow. As a homeowner, I see two MASSIVE, blatantly obvious flaws in a six-month countdown to destruction.

    1) Her listed exceptions include “children’s clothing.” Children grow very, very quickly – is she really storing infant clothing on the assumption that there will be an infant coming along again soon/maybe/perhaps? Is she planning on stuffing an upcoming toddler boy into the previous toddler girl’s dresses? Children’s clothing is the fastest outgrown (and most needed by others) item in a household.

    2) She lists a whole series of clothing and holiday choices, then handwaves everything else as “the like.” Know what’s not like clothing and holiday paraphanalia? Tools. Better get rid of that screwdriver and hose clamp; haven’t had a leak in six months, so now it’s up to God to fix a pinhole drip for you!

    Also missing: emergency supplies. Haven’t had a blackout in the summer? You’ll totally won’t stand a chance of one in the winter then – or vice versa! God wouldn’t let *that* happen!

    That. Isn’t. Frugal!

    Also, does anyone else find the “give it to others, you should give your stuff to others” coming across an awful lot like “You should give to ME when I find myself without something I want”?

  • Saraquill

    I’m now thinking of children whose toys and books are confiscated under this reasoning. It’s not a pretty mental image.

  • SAO

    Besides, if she were really a good person, she wouldn’t have bought the useless stuff in the first place and would have given her money to charity so the needy could have something new that fit their needs, not her leftovers.

  • Abigail Smith

    Exactly…”if you don’t do exactly as I say, you don’t trust God”…I remember when my oldest (now 21) was a toddler and I had another baby girl, I had been given tons of clothes for her so I didn’t have to buy a thing until she was about 5…but then I started to panic because of this kind of stupid thinking, and I gave almost everything away to the Shelter…granted I am sure it helped people but at the same time when I look back I think, what if getting all those provisions for our daughters WAS the Lord providing for us, instead of feeling “selfish” that we had those clothes…we were in pretty desperate need at the time, too so we needed them.
    I’m so sick of these people telling us what we are supposed to think all the time…now with some distance from QF, I see it as they are trying to convince themselves.
    I am a Christian and I actually ENJOY my relationship with Jesus alot now whereas before I was always worried He’d be “mad at me” if I messed up.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Ding!Ding!Ding! You win the internet!

    Decluttering is a good strategy, and giving the things you don’t need to a charity or second hand store instead of throwing them in a landfill is environmentally responsible.

    Just don’t unload a bunch of your worn-out clothes and lousy-tasting canned food that you regret buying on some poor person and expect “gratitude” from them for having your trash dumped on them.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Child collectors like to babble on at length about how they’re “trusting God to provide” as they’re crowdfunding their fourth international adoption in three years. For some reason, God always chooses to provide by cash donations from soft-hearted people on GoFundMe or Reese’s Rainbow.

  • Wait… You mean other QF families actually, say, try and GoFundMe babies??

  • Astrin Ymris

    Yes. They subscribe to the “Adoption Gospel”, and believe that all American Christians are obligated to “rescue” a foreign orphan by international adoption. Kathryn Joyce wrote a book called ‘The Child Catchers’ about this phenomenon.


    The crowdfunding is problematic on several levels. For one thing, it increases the amount “the market will bear”, increasing the cost of international adoption for responsible adopters. For another, it induces the corrupt to create “orphans” by kidnapping them from their birth parents, either outright or by fraud. Most would-be Rescue Adopters prefer healthy children under age four, but there are far too few orphans in this category who are legitimately available for adoption. Fraud, corruption, and child trafficking is rife in international adoption– something that devoted child collectors either deny or dismiss as unimportant.

    It also allows child collectors to adopt far more children than they can provide for, starting a cycle of continual crowdfunding for “unexpected” expenses like extensive dental work or wheelchair-adapted vans for Special Needs adoptees.

    But far worse than this are parents who after discovering that adoptees aren’t usually like Shirley Temple in ‘Curly Top’, but come with a plethora of psychological traumas and behavior problems, quietly “rehome” the kid to someone they barely know, without bothering with a home study. Google “Representative Justin Harris” or “Reuters The Child Exchange”.

    There are responsible adopters who are great people who love their adopted children and treat them wonderfully. But there are also people who do a lot of harm to the children they “rescue”.

    *steps off soapbox*

  • *facepalm*

    There are some awfully strange people in this world… =

  • We got rid of our Keurig machine, for reasons. My place in Heaven is locked-in. *rolls eyes*

  • Nea

    Like that woman who bragged about taking away all the toys of her very small girls and made them “earn back” their blanket?

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I got rid of ten bread pans, me too..

  • Mirlo

    I have been following this blog post series on international adoption/child stealing: http://gilandamy.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-dark-side-of-international-adoption_9.html?m=1
    I have been accused of being a child catcher as well, but at least mine are all “catch and release”! 😛

  • Hm. I wonder if you are more godly than me now?Single Keurig vs. multiple pans.

  • Saraquill

    I never heard of that situation before. That’s appalling.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    LOL! Nope, I’m just someone that used to have to bake huge numbers of bread to feed a son and all friends. He’s grown now. There are no more mass bakings…

  • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

    My mom has a *cough*slight*cough* obsession with decluttering, and even she hasn’t tried to falsely connect it with some sort of religious thing.

    I tend to keep more stuff, which has never been more apparent as it was the last two weeks while I was prepping for my house to be painted and had to be gone while the asbestos-containing ceiling acoustic was removed and the painting was being done. Having to put all the furniture and contents of the cabinets in the center of the room, so it ends up looking like a mountain range of stuff, does tend to point out how much one has. And this is even after throwing out at least 6 outdoor trash bags full of junk/trash. I have a practice of requiring myself to throw out or donate items before I go buy anything new, and twice yearly I cull my closet of things I haven’t worn in the time since the last cull because that’s basically proof I never wear something and likely never will again. This doesn’t apply to the seasonal clothing, that I look at and decide keep/donate according to the applicable time of year – if I didn’t wear it last winter it usually gets donated if it’s two winters or more since I bought it.

    I do these decluttering things because if I didn’t I’d probably be drowning in stuff a-la-hoarders, and I don’t want to let that happen. 😛

  • Anonyme

    Your comment made me think of Ma and Pa Duggar telling the story about how Jessa was bullying Jana, and they made Jana give her jewelry box to Jessa…which supposedly would make Jessa feel bad, and earn brownie points with God for Jana.

  • Astrin Ymris

    *sigh* The adoption industry turns children into commodities. 🙁

  • Mirlo

    And their mothers become disposable.

  • Astrin Ymris
  • AnonCar

    I haven’t needed my sewing kit in a few years (well technically I have, I have just gone about things the lazy way), so does that mean I should get rid of my sewing things?