Quoting Quiverfull: All Who Rebel Are Miserable?

Quoting Quiverfull: All Who Rebel Are Miserable? September 24, 2016

quotingquiverfullby Lori Alexander from Always Learning – No One That is Submissive is Happy

Editor’s note: Alexander is getting push back again in her comments and cannot understand it’s because her words are always blaming others, negative towards those different and not ever very ‘nice’. She comes across as someone sitting up on high being uber judgmental. But clearly how she reacts whenever anyone disagrees with her shows how incredibly thin-skinned and easily offended she is. She’s right, she IS  ‘Christian’, or at least the toxic very far from the words of Jesus American Evangelical Christian that are chasing people away from the church.

Therefore, according to her logic, all children who are submissive and obey their parents are miserable. All employees who are submissive and obey their bosses are miserable. All citizens who are submissive to their governments and obey the law of the land are miserable. All wives who are submissive to their husbands and obey them are unhappy.
She is terribly mistaken. Most marriages where the wives become submissive heals and strengthens the marriage which usually results in making both of them happier. All those who are in rebellion to authority are the ones who are miserable. God has set an authority structure so there will be peace. When people obey those who are in authority over them, more people will likely be happy since things run more smoothly and those under authority must use self-control to do what is right.

It takes a lot more discipline to be submissive to authority rather than just do what you feel like doing. Most can see the chaos beginning to reign in our culture as many are doing as they please: broken homes, prisons overflowing, riots in the streets, less safety for all, STDs, drugs addictions, and miserable, unhappy people

She has listened to the lies of the enemy of her soul. I pray her blinders come off and she can see the error of her ways and decide to repent and follow the King of kings. I was happy, however, that she can tell that I am “clearly a Christian.” This was my favorite part of her comment!

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders, cultural enforcers and those that seek to keep women submitted to men and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull and Spiritual Abuse honestly and thoughtfully.

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  • Nea

    I’m not “submissive and obey” my boss. I do my job, which means prioritizing and making judgement calls, which includes saying things like “I can’t do x until I’ve done y because z” or “if we take this direction, be aware that this less-then-optimal result could happen because…” Not to mention that I am free to change jobs and bosses at any time I please.

    I’m not “submissive to my government,” I’m a member of a participatory democracy, which means I literally choose my government! (Did she seriously fucking promote passive submission in the middle of a Presidential election? Seriously?)

    I also don’t “obey the law of the land” at all times. Not only do I suspect that Lori also breaks the speed limit sometimes when she drives — but it’s the LAW, dearie! — as a member of a participatory government it is vital to me to pick judges, campaign over laws I feel are needed/against laws I feel unjust, and use my first amendment rights to assemble, protest, and petition the government for redress of wrongs.

    Where’s the passive submission in THAT?

    “Most marriages.” “All who are in rebellion.” Citation needed.

    “Under authority things run more smoothly”? While I’m not surprised that Lori’s too ignorant to know about “…as long as the trains run on time” (look up the rest of the quote, Lori; it’ll be educational), please do explain how dictatorship has historically been the most efficient and happy government on Earth. Use examples. You can even use examples from the Bible, which shows all of the people were always happy under all that government authority. Like the Jews under Pharaoh, or various husbands in the reign of David. Such examples of peace and happiness and prosperity!

  • Mel

    *taps Lori on the shoulder*

    Psst. Those “riots in the streets”….that’s an example of people reacting to others being shot and killed while acting “in submission” to the Law.

  • Mel

    This post, like so many CP/QF blog posts, essentially explains why the ideal member of CP is eternally a child.

    Children – especially ones that are too young to be securely independent – are safer and generally happier when they follow rules set up by caring parents. The reason for this is pretty obvious: kids are not born with all the social, career, and survival skills needed to be an independent adult. Parents set up rules to help the kid navigate the world without hurting themselves or others.

    In every other society – including the ones were multi-generational family units are the norm – children eventually transition to adulthood where they are functional members of the family, society and the workforce without needing continual oversight and feedback from the parents.

    In CP-land, no one ever really becomes an adult. Men can’t deal with any kind of negotiation from their wives or children. Women are supposed to substitute their husband for the role of her parents and raise their kids to do the same. Kids are raised in a boiler-plate method where boys are either encouraged to start their own business or get involved in blue-collar trades (minus the actual advanced training needed to be highly successful in those trades) while girls are raised to eventually breed, bare and raise a billion kids.

  • Joy

    Does she allow dissenting comments on her blog? Not that I want to post one, but all of the comments published are ones that agree with her.

  • SAO

    My kids are teens and I don’t expect them to submit to my authority, I expect them to contribute to the family, by doing their share of chores — that is, to be a contributing member of our family. I expect them to prepare for the future, by studying and managing their schoolwork and schedules. I think they agree with these things, but sometimes need guidance to get there.

    Happy marriages and successful communities are made of people who see what is needed and contribute. I’m guiding my kids to be contributing members of their community and family.

    Note, none of this entails submission to an authority, particularly not one designated by his genitalia rather than his ability.

  • Nightshade

    So I’m miserable? Gee, Lori-girl, thanks for telling me, I’d never have known otherwise!

    Also, in the linked post she refers to a comment left on her Always Learning Facebook page, can anyone else find it? I’ve looked, and I don’t see it anywhere.

  • Suzanne Harper Titkemeyer

    I am not sure but I think she moderates every single comment on her FB Page and blog and does not allow anything that does not line up with her personal theology to remain up.

  • Julia Childress

    I have made numerous respectful comments on her blog and not one has ever seen the light of day. I usually disagree with her positions, or I present some additional points of view and I’m sure that’s why they don’t get published. You will notice that the comments that end up on her blog often include flattery. Lori has a high opinion of herself (as indicated by the final two sentences of the quote above) and she’s not about to be upstaged on her own blog.

  • Nightshade

    Ah. So is there any evidence that this comment she references was actually there? I just can’t help wondering if it was ever really there.

  • Astrin Ymris

    Or if it was, whether Lori is relating its content accurately.

    In fact, based on her strawman fallacy argument, I think we can take it as read that she isn’t! ;-D

  • katiehippie

    She has never posted mine. They disappear almost immediately.

  • zizania

    Apparently there is nothing in between submission and rebellion. No such thing as cooperation or partnership…