Pagan Response to bin Laden’s Death

Pagan Response to bin Laden’s Death May 3, 2011

While I was recovering from Beltaine festivities one of the most wanted men in the world was killed. My reaction is decidedly lacking in oomph in either direction. I am neither celebrating nor mourning the loss of life.

I don’t care which president gets credit. It’s taken us 10 years to find him and two wars. I feel as if Menelaus is suddenly expecting an ‘atta boy for finally defeating the Trojans. If you want to pat someone on the back it should be the service members that actually come under fire and put their lives on the line every day.

I’m also a little annoyed at the idea that bin Laden is the most dangerous member of Al Qaeda. He was the spinmaster, but now he’ll be replaced by those who followed his teachings without his understanding of what was spin and what wasn’t. It’s his students we should be worried about, the people who were far enough from him to hear and live his message without understanding the craft behind it. We should be worried about people far more extreme than bin Laden. Those people are not celebrating right now.

What this really tells me is that Obama is far more cagey than I expected. Between releasing his birth certificate and taking out bin Laden he’s making it clear he means business. The timing of either of these events is not coincidental. It’s not happenstance that bin Laden was killed on the anniversary of Hitler’s death. It’s politics. It’s planning. It’s spin. It’s also not a coincidence that Celebrity Apprentice was interrupted so that the nation could wait in suspense for half an hour, completely in the dark as to what was going on. This was well-choreographed and a little frightening, right down to the ocean burial preventing any sort of memorial shrine springing up around his resting place.

If bin Laden’s death brings you a sigh of relief or a sense of closure, by all means rejoice. Honor your emotions. If it makes you sad and mournful then honor those emotions as well. You have the right to celebrate a victory as much as you have the right to grieve the circumstances that made it necessary. Laugh if you need to. I’m finding refuge in sarcasm and humor myself as a way of processing this.

As for how I really feel? I am conflicted and wary. The circumstances surrounding me the death bother me more than the fact of it. Through this Obama has proven his ability as a political strategist. As someone who voted for him, I’m not certain to be proud or appalled at how well he plays politics. I feel as if the meek puppy I brought home suddenly grew fangs. He can guard me with them as Cerberus guards Hades, or bite my hand off as Fenris did to Tyr. Only time will tell which it will be.

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  • I should also say I’m disappointed to learn that fantastic MLK quote is a fake. :(

  • I should also say I’m disappointed to learn that fantastic MLK quote is a fake. :(

  • Eileendalla

    My sentiments exactly. Wish I could say it as well as you have here.

  • Eileendalla

    My sentiments exactly. Wish I could say it as well as you have here.

  • Turns out not ‘fake’ so much as a mistake of attribution. Jessica Dovey wrote the first sentence, and followed it by King’s words. Someone failed to note where the quote marks began and requoted the whole as King. The first sentence then got separated from the rest, misattributed. It likely went viral after being requoted by Penn Jillette.

    http://twitter.com/#!/jmadly/status/65314784136011776

    This at least makes more sense – is traceable – than the Marianne Williamson quote that got attributed to Nelson Mandela!

  • Turns out not ‘fake’ so much as a mistake of attribution. Jessica Dovey wrote the first sentence, and followed it by King’s words. Someone failed to note where the quote marks began and requoted the whole as King. The first sentence then got separated from the rest, misattributed. It likely went viral after being requoted by Penn Jillette.

    http://twitter.com/#!/jmadly/status/65314784136011776

    This at least makes more sense – is traceable – than the Marianne Williamson quote that got attributed to Nelson Mandela!

  • Aj

    What gets me is those suddenly saying that now the man is dead, we can bring our troops home. Ummm, no. He was only one man, a symbol. Just as we didn’t pull out of Germany quickly, we should not pull out of the Middle East quickly…or we will just end up going back…for a THIRD time.

    Obama is a politician, first and foremost. He can play nice and smooth but underneath he is like all politicians otherwise he would not be where he is at. He is a smooth operator. That said, I rather doubt that he orchestrated all these coincidences though. One or two but not all. Interrupting the Apprentice was just fortuitous timing I think. The wait was due to the need to contact all the necessary people before going on air…it took longer (and it always does) than they thought.

  • Aj

    What gets me is those suddenly saying that now the man is dead, we can bring our troops home. Ummm, no. He was only one man, a symbol. Just as we didn’t pull out of Germany quickly, we should not pull out of the Middle East quickly…or we will just end up going back…for a THIRD time.

    Obama is a politician, first and foremost. He can play nice and smooth but underneath he is like all politicians otherwise he would not be where he is at. He is a smooth operator. That said, I rather doubt that he orchestrated all these coincidences though. One or two but not all. Interrupting the Apprentice was just fortuitous timing I think. The wait was due to the need to contact all the necessary people before going on air…it took longer (and it always does) than they thought.

  • Ridetbred

    whoever is in office always gets credit and blame. reagan gets it for the takedown of the wall and the fall of russia. carter will never escape the stain of the hostage situation. bush will always be the misdirected iraq war guy. and yeah, obama gets to count coup on osama.
    it’s not a slam at the military and intelligence folks who have labored so diligently. of course we all know they’re the ones who have been doing all the grunt work. may all the theoi bless them.
    khairete
    suz

  • Ridetbred

    whoever is in office always gets credit and blame. reagan gets it for the takedown of the wall and the fall of russia. carter will never escape the stain of the hostage situation. bush will always be the misdirected iraq war guy. and yeah, obama gets to count coup on osama.
    it’s not a slam at the military and intelligence folks who have labored so diligently. of course we all know they’re the ones who have been doing all the grunt work. may all the theoi bless them.
    khairete
    suz

  • I feel pretty much the same way Star. I’m ready for it to be out of the news. I question how wise it is to go into another country and kill someone living there without their permission when the person you are killing- and it was a kill mission – was not indicted for the crime you claim and was never given any sort of trial at all.

    My son points out that Bin Ladin did not do everything that was done by himself. He says if we’d defeated the entire organization, he could understand the jubilation better, he says this way, it makes us look weak in a way- that we’d be so happy about the death of one man that would threaten us. He is only 15 but I I think he has a point to consider.

    I personally am worried about the land along Bird’s Point and what the Mississippi is doing. In this present day and the land and people are in trouble right here, right now.

  • I feel pretty much the same way Star. I’m ready for it to be out of the news. I question how wise it is to go into another country and kill someone living there without their permission when the person you are killing- and it was a kill mission – was not indicted for the crime you claim and was never given any sort of trial at all.

    My son points out that Bin Ladin did not do everything that was done by himself. He says if we’d defeated the entire organization, he could understand the jubilation better, he says this way, it makes us look weak in a way- that we’d be so happy about the death of one man that would threaten us. He is only 15 but I I think he has a point to consider.

    I personally am worried about the land along Bird’s Point and what the Mississippi is doing. In this present day and the land and people are in trouble right here, right now.

  • I understand your feelings Star, and I do give credit to strategic timing but I won’t rule out also serendipitous overlapping either.

    As for the rest of the cells, yes people will step in–people always do. But look at how hard it is to get any people of faith to gather, Pagans being a perfect example. Half the time the leaders and groups that actually get shit done are just a handful. I’m not saying terrorist organizations are few in number but sane individuals outnumber them BY FAR. If all nations work together to collectively eradicate terrorism, domestic or foreign, it casts a net upon the world special made for these horrible individuals.

    The President is also not Menlaus by any stretch, if anything Former President Bush is. I know what you’re trying to say but it’s unfair to the President AND all those involved to make it possible. He didn’t come out like Donald Trump strokin’ himself, he came out grave and direct.

    More important is what he said about Osama bin Laden not being a Muslim–President Obama took the stand that many Pagans don’t want to take towards Christianity. One or even many assholes does not make the Faith bad. I think there’s more to be learned here than just in relation to the President, and I’d rather focus on that.

  • I understand your feelings Star, and I do give credit to strategic timing but I won’t rule out also serendipitous overlapping either.

    As for the rest of the cells, yes people will step in–people always do. But look at how hard it is to get any people of faith to gather, Pagans being a perfect example. Half the time the leaders and groups that actually get shit done are just a handful. I’m not saying terrorist organizations are few in number but sane individuals outnumber them BY FAR. If all nations work together to collectively eradicate terrorism, domestic or foreign, it casts a net upon the world special made for these horrible individuals.

    The President is also not Menlaus by any stretch, if anything Former President Bush is. I know what you’re trying to say but it’s unfair to the President AND all those involved to make it possible. He didn’t come out like Donald Trump strokin’ himself, he came out grave and direct.

    More important is what he said about Osama bin Laden not being a Muslim–President Obama took the stand that many Pagans don’t want to take towards Christianity. One or even many assholes does not make the Faith bad. I think there’s more to be learned here than just in relation to the President, and I’d rather focus on that.

  • Switchtoswitch

    I think that Osama has been dead for years. Obamas approval ratings were dropping quickly, one had to do something I guess. Benezir Bhuto who was assinsinated a few years ago in Pakistan, said that Osama had been shot in Pakistan when she was being interviewed. It’s on You Tube if you would like to see for yourself. Smoke and mirrors and we need to be vigilant about some of the shennanigans that are going on in OUR Whitehouse. Check out http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org and let’s get our country back. Caution though, this drips with Christianity, BUT they do agree that all of our rights are divine and are granted to us by our Creator, so I was able to get by a lot of it.
    Have a great day~

  • Switchtoswitch

    I think that Osama has been dead for years. Obamas approval ratings were dropping quickly, one had to do something I guess. Benezir Bhuto who was assinsinated a few years ago in Pakistan, said that Osama had been shot in Pakistan when she was being interviewed. It’s on You Tube if you would like to see for yourself. Smoke and mirrors and we need to be vigilant about some of the shennanigans that are going on in OUR Whitehouse. Check out http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org and let’s get our country back. Caution though, this drips with Christianity, BUT they do agree that all of our rights are divine and are granted to us by our Creator, so I was able to get by a lot of it.
    Have a great day~

  • Switchtoswitch

    I think that Osama has been dead for years. Obamas approval ratings were dropping quickly, one had to do something I guess. Benezir Bhuto who was assinsinated a few years ago in Pakistan, said that Osama had been shot in Pakistan when she was being interviewed. It’s on You Tube if you would like to see for yourself. Smoke and mirrors and we need to be vigilant about some of the shennanigans that are going on in OUR Whitehouse. Check out http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org and let’s get our country back. Caution though, this drips with Christianity, BUT they do agree that all of our rights are divine and are granted to us by our Creator, so I was able to get by a lot of it.
    Have a great day~

  • Rmcgavock

    Obama is definitely a politician and I’m sure he’ll make the most of OBL’s death, that’s what politicians do. However, do you really think he waited for the anniversary of Hitler’s death? Or that he timed the raid to preempt Trump’s TV show?

    People read far too much into far too many events.

  • Rmcgavock

    Obama is definitely a politician and I’m sure he’ll make the most of OBL’s death, that’s what politicians do. However, do you really think he waited for the anniversary of Hitler’s death? Or that he timed the raid to preempt Trump’s TV show?

    People read far too much into far too many events.

  • If “getting our country back” means shacking up with Christian Dominionists bent on theocracy….I don’t want it back. You can keep it.

  • If “getting our country back” means shacking up with Christian Dominionists bent on theocracy….I don’t want it back. You can keep it.

  • Sunweaver

    Ares’ blessings, especially, for the soldiers who carried out this mission.

  • Sunweaver

    Ares’ blessings, especially, for the soldiers who carried out this mission.

  • Very well spoken. My biggest issue with ALL of this is at the heart of it I have serious doubts about the official story of 9/11. I spoke at a conference at Windows of the World on the Thurs/Fri before 9/11 (Tuesday). The conference continued into the the next week, and I lost many friends and colleagues when the towers came down. With that motivation, I took the time to research the events of this date. In a nutshell there are WAY TOO many oddities that are counter to the official explanation such that in total, the official story is in my mind very suspect. I don’t know exactly who was involved or how, but the overwhelming evidence suggest Bin Laden and Al Qaeda had some significant help. And thus if that statement is true, then the story of 9/11 is (at least in part) a lie. And if it is a lie, then it is possible that Bin Laden was nothing more that a scape goat. I don’t doubt Bin Laden was a very unsavory character who did indeed commit many crimes (USS Cole, 9/11 to a degree, others). But to assign him the sole responsibility of 9/11 is (in my mind) a mistake.

    It would be so much easier and less painful to believe that 9/11 happen as we have been told, but the evidence suggest otherwise. And despite the pain, truth must be acknowledged.

  • Very well spoken. My biggest issue with ALL of this is at the heart of it I have serious doubts about the official story of 9/11. I spoke at a conference at Windows of the World on the Thurs/Fri before 9/11 (Tuesday). The conference continued into the the next week, and I lost many friends and colleagues when the towers came down. With that motivation, I took the time to research the events of this date. In a nutshell there are WAY TOO many oddities that are counter to the official explanation such that in total, the official story is in my mind very suspect. I don’t know exactly who was involved or how, but the overwhelming evidence suggest Bin Laden and Al Qaeda had some significant help. And thus if that statement is true, then the story of 9/11 is (at least in part) a lie. And if it is a lie, then it is possible that Bin Laden was nothing more that a scape goat. I don’t doubt Bin Laden was a very unsavory character who did indeed commit many crimes (USS Cole, 9/11 to a degree, others). But to assign him the sole responsibility of 9/11 is (in my mind) a mistake.

    It would be so much easier and less painful to believe that 9/11 happen as we have been told, but the evidence suggest otherwise. And despite the pain, truth must be acknowledged.