Muslims charge Katy Perry with blasphemy

Muslims charge Katy Perry with blasphemy February 25, 2014

Muslims are offended by Katy Perry’s latest music video “Dark Horse,” claiming the video promotes blasphemy and is insulting to Islam.

Muslims are upset because at one point in the video a man wearing a pendant with the word ‘Allah’ written in Arabic is zapped by Perry, and disintegrates. In the light hearted pop video Perry plays a campy Egyptian queen who rejects suitors by zapping them with lightning and turning them into sand.

For some Muslims, the silly pop video is deeply offensive to their fragile religious sensibilities. A petition at  demanding YouTube remove the video has already received over 48,000 signatures.

The petition hopes to win major support to show “that people from different walks of life, different religions and from different parts of the world, agree that the video promotes blasphemy, using the name of God in an irrelevant and distasteful manner would be considered inappropriate by any religion.”

Although the number of signatures on the petition continues to grow, they are dwarfed by the video’s YouTube numbers. So far “Dark Horse,” which was posted to YouTube on Thursday, has received more than 31 million views.

The attempt to censor any artistic expression is always a morally dubious activity. The fact that Muslims would attempt to censor Perry’s video is a ridiculous and juvenile response to what is quite frankly a harmless pop video. To think these imbeciles believe their imaginary god would take offence to a Katy Perry video of all things staggers the imagination. It would be a shame if YouTube caved to pressure coming from some silly religious extremists, and removed the video.

Dark Horse is Perry’s third single off her new album “Prism” and is currently sitting at number one on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 list.

The supposed “blasphemy,” the episode with the Allah pendant, can be seen at 1:15 of the video.

From Katy Perry’s ‘Dark Horse’ Video


Update: Katy Perry’s ‘Dark Horse’ music video censored after Muslim outrage

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  • Thomas

    religion makes people act stupid.

  • Phil B.

    Dear Muslims, God is a big boy. I don’t think he really needs your protection.

  • Justin T. Storar

    because petitions solve EVERYTHING.
    guess if you cant bomb something, petition it?

  • Nikhil

    this video even violates basic laws of science, so does that mean that i sud censor it even though i know i thouroughly enjoyed it?

    • Adam Steed

      Lol good one!

  • Bawk Bawkbagawk

    Sometimes I imagine that the different religions get together every year to give out awards for the stupidest, silliest, most harmful etc. edicts of the previous year.

    • Kaylara

      We should do this. It would be fantastic.

      • Daniel Schealler

        It would be overwhelming. 😛

  • SatiricalQuark

    You know damn well Youtube isn’t going to censor, or at least take down that video. They are making money from it, no way they’ll stop that from happening.

  • Fiona Summers

    Yeah sure right!! It’s hating on muslims, even though she’s parodying a culture from before islam. Those muslims sure love their butthurt.

  • Mando44646

    Oh boo hoo. These morons have to learn to respect the idea that other people, in fact, are allowed to have their own ideas and opinions

    • The Denver Diamond

      Most people alive need to learn this haha

  • Daniel Schealler

    I have to wonder how much of this is genuine offence, and how much of it is just chest beating to show how much better a Muslim the signatories are than all the other Muslims out there.

    • andrew_owens

      And how much of it is media operated social engineering to gin up anti-Muslim comments?

      • Daniel Schealler

        Valid point.

        The Muslims that decry this kind of petty crap do speak out about it, but they don’t get a voice in the media because it’s not as exciting.

        And that’s a damn shame. The media should be going out of their way to publish that kind of information to counter the insanity. By only covering the nutty ones, it makes the nutty ones look normal, which in turn makes them more powerful.

        The media is definitely complicit in this… But I’m not sure if I’d go so far as to call it social engineering. That implies a sort of grandiose large-scale plan that I find it hard to accept. Has a conspiracy-theory kind of smell to it.

        • Paul Crowley

          Oh the role of the media has been examined in detail in lots of ways. I haven’t explored it fully, but some relevant ideas worth looking up are folk devils, moral panics and deviancy amplification spirals.

          • andrew_owens

            I think you should explore the role of the media in creating conditions ripe for genocide. It is a vital role that is found in every modern genocide. The radios and TVs of Rwanda and Bosnia in Chile, in Hitler’s Germany were lit up with hate speech. Death lists were read out, etc.

        • andrew_owens

          Do me a favor. Read the wiki biographies of Wolf Blitzer, Yigdal Carmon of MEMRI (constantly quoted by Glenn Beck), Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook and his fraternity, FCC chairman Julius Genachowski, David Horowitz, etc. For that matter, read about how Zionist groups have dedicated themselves to editing Wikipedia.

  • Kshitij Bhusari

    2 words: fuck them

  • BorderColliesRules

    TIL, Muslims get Butthurt very easily….

    • Henna

      *TODAY* you learned? lol

  • TheSquirrel

    Honest claims that Islam has no proof are seen as offensive by overly sensitive Muslims. I stopped taking Muslim complaints seriously a long time ago.

    Here is a smiling Muhamid

  • Buster Fixxitt

    It looks like the man is also wearing a number of other medallions. Some of which appear to be graven images, thereby making this man NOT Muslim. He’s also wearing quite a bit of gold, which is only to be worn by women, again, meaning he’s kaafir and not Muslim.

    So is the concern that something with Allah’s name on it was destroyed by this kaafir empress’ magic while something else survived?

  • The Denver Diamond

    Every one commenting here has made me a very happy “lady”. <3

  • JamesMMartin

    Will ignorance ever find its zenith? The iconography of the Perry video not only has nothing to do with Islam, it is antithetical to the Muslim faith. When that village nutjob retreated to a cave and rewrote parts of the Old Testament to suit his whims, changing the name J*H*V*H to Allah and demanding a code of human behavior that, if anything, was more patriarchal and homophobic than anything in Leviticus, he was calling for an end to the seemingly endless polytheistic permutations of the old Egyptian faith, with its cat-headed deity, its Osirian dynasty, and the other accoutrements of rampant paganism on steroids. What on earth are they bitching about? Next thing you know, Perry will do an ad for pork chops and they will put out a fatwa on her.

    • Michael Zuchowicz

      BRAVO !!

      • JamesMMartin

        Thanks, Michael Zuchowicz.

    • andrew_owens

      Who in this case is they? What group issued this complaint?

  • Michael Zuchowicz

    So, now it looks like she too will be on the meteorite worshippers hit list. These people should grow up. If they’re offended by anything I say, it’s because they can’t control their emotions and I should do it for them, that they have some special right. Can’t control their sexual desires it appears also, they way they drape their women in rags to prevent men’s arousal. Fuck them !

    • Yamon Bo

      I couldn’t agree more with you, especially about the fact that they covered their women from head to toe in black…

      • andrew_owens

        Which women? All of them? Do you know what you are talking about?

    • andrew_owens

      Meteorite worshippers? Please explain.

      • TVG

        It is commonly believed that the black stone in the kaaba in Mecca is of meteoric origin.

        • andrew_owens

          So what? Muslims don’t worship the black stone.

  • Pseudonym

    The first paragraph reads “Muslims are offended…”.

    The second reads “Muslims are upset…”.

    The third reads “For some Muslims…”, emphasis added.

    I’m betting on that last one being the most accurate of the three.

  • Anonymous

    If it was offensive towards gays, it would have been removed by now. funny how its okay to make bad jokes against muslims.. but when its against gays. the whole world throws a fit

    • Being gay is innate, being a Muslim is a choice.

      • Longbowgun

        I’m starting to wonder if you can be deprogrammed after how severely religious indoctrination is ingrained.

        • It’s possible, probable is another story…

          However, comparing a biological reality to indoctrination, is a big leap.

    • ThisIsTheEnd

      “If it was offensive towards gays, it would have been removed by now”. I take it that you’ve never encountered Youtube?

    • liveevil

      I think Muslims should show the world how upset they are by committing suicide.

      • Fin Guz

        I think they do more than enough of that already!

        • andrew_owens

          That’s why there are 1.5 billion left. Because they all committed suicide like some movie stereotype.

        • liveevil

          lol nah…they still exsist

    • ShadyDame

      There is a difference between a vague (practically nonexistent) reference to a religion in a music video that makes NO ACTUAL insult to the religion itself, and executing people based on their sexuality. HUGE difference.

    • Will Downie

      would gay muslims like it

  • Awww, poor things.

  • I really wish people would just tell Islamist that those of us that live in the 21st century don’t give a shit if they offended. If they don’t like what is on Youtube the internet in general get the hell off. I am so tired of every day they are upset about something. Sorry folks if you can’t stand being in a free society please go live in the Islamic state of your choice.

    • andrew_owens

      I’m sure you could go break a couple of shop windows and remind them of who they are… and who you are. 25 likes. You would have gotten a thousand likes in 1940s Poland.

  • Their resident sky fairy is offended by music videos, but apparently not by female circumcision, the hacking off of limbs, the stoning of adulterers, or the execution of homosexuals. Glad to see that their sky fairy has its shit together and that their priorities are well in order!

    • Julian

      You Sir, are an idiot.

      • Paul Crowley

        You’ll have to contribute something better than that to make such a case. Do you find the examples illustrated in that post acceptable?

        • Murray Garrison

          Take a look at his ‘2’ posts. They both say the same thing. Seems the idiot is the one who can’t put more than one phrase together.

          • Paul Crowley

            I just used CTRL + F and looked for his name. I’m only finding it once, despite clicking show more so all the comments are showing. I’m not seeing his other post. Regardless, that isn’t much of a reason to call him an idiot. Disagreeing with his position, on the other hand would be call for such an assertion. However, I would say, one that would require some defense.

          • Murray Garrison

            You have to click on his name to his other posts. His other post was on another article. I am speaking of Julian Durzi.

      • …and that would be because? I’m guessing that Islam is no longer condoning these practices, or else you think that I’m an “idiot” for viewing such things as Medieval barbarism. Which is it?

      • prolibertate

        It’s pretty clear WHO is the idiot here – and it’s NOT Tony Gavin!

        Julian, you’re a retard for insulting other people who are 100% right!

        To claim that some imaginary “god” would be “offended” by a music video, but not in really EVIL practices, is beyond stupid.

        It’s disgusting to think that we have to share the planet with morons who think like that.

        And you obviously defend them. You actually defend a cult that justified pedophilia, rape, slavery and mass murder.

        And don’t try to claim that I’m “ignorant” – the last Muslim who tried was ridiculed when I posted the appropriate links to

  • Mark

    Get an online version of the Quran and do a “find” on “disbeliever”. See how many you get (100’s) and see what punishment is given either in the here and now or the afterlife, and what is generally thought of them.
    I could get upset about this, and it does rile me a bit that it means they look down on me in the here and now, but otherwise it’s just silly.
    There are some agitators who should know better, but use Twitter etc, to stir up trouble for things like this. And some of those agitators are happily used as “moderates” by the UK TV and radio companies.

  • ArchNew

    It is a blasphemy to think that god is so narrow minded and will be offended by a pop song.

    • ShadyDame

      I couldn’t have said it better myself!

  • djmaxx007

    When will muslims’ vaginas stop hurting???

  • John Blackthorne

    So, which Iman now gets to speak for all of Islam? Or did all the Muslims take a vote and unanimously agreed that Katy Perry is to be charged with blasphemy?

    • andrew_owens

      That’s a very reasonable question. Which Muslim group from among 1.5 billion Muslims in the world cares enough to protest this and how much does the average Muslim in the street care about Katy Perry? Isn’t that the real question?

  • Steve Russ

    If I know that there’s something that I might find offensive I simply ignore it. It seems to me that many muslims have actually gone out of their way to make a point of watching this video in order to be offended and get angry. It’s reminding me a lot of the National Socialist ideology where art and books deemed unacceptable to the regime were burned. A very dangerous route to follow. In a democracy you have the right to be offended on behalf of your fictional deity, but you don’t have the right to impose your irrational beliefs on anyone else.

    • mikewest007

      That is so perfect.

  • onewhodoesnotcareaboutfools

    Yeah this is pretty luls. People fighting over whats true or not. Muslims, The egyptian religion is not true, but neither is your religion Muslims. There is no Amun ra, horus, or whatever 😛 Man did you toast your brains homies.

    I have to get creative now soon and stop smoking weed, so I can build myself a spaceship asap and escape earth, cuz i cant live here with you anymore

    You are making me look like a retard to the ones above race. Please stop it

  • ShadyDame

    I am not sure what is making me more aggravated, the fact that they are getting their panties in a twist over something so ridiculous, or the fact that this issue is making me actually side with Katy Perry….sigh.

    • onewhodoesnotcareaboutfools

      Im not siding with any of them, cuz most people in this world is weak minded, which means they will believe in things they hear, which again causes religious chaos. This song creates chaos for allot of people, So -10 from me. I have lost faith in both earth and humanity, because you are doing everything you can wrong 24/7 😛

      You ask yourself why there is war, there is war because you cant think with your minds before you do an action.

      You all want to be “all powerfull”, you want to be kings, you want to have all the money in the world, you want to rule a continent, you want to be on the top. You want to feel that emotion that you are something, and there is the failure within mankind

  • just for public attraction.

  • Elmarco

    31 million views, the muslims can’t stop watching.

  • David Rice

    If members of death cults don’t want to see “blasphemy,” they don’t have to look at it. WTF?!

  • Casey Shepherd

    Islam isn’t a “death cult”

  • Mikel

    I wouldn’t have even seen the pendant in question if I wasn’t looking for it specifically. At least the ancient Egyptians are not still around to complain about the hijacking of their symbols.

  • Paul Crowley

    What the hell are muslims doing watching her video in the first place?

    • Michelle Yeack Brantley Johnso

      LOL good point

    • Murray Garrison

      They watch it so that they can be outraged. There is no other explanation.

      • Paul Crowley

        Indeed, well said.

      • TVG

        Outrage. One of the fundamentals of spiritual advancement…

      • Roger Peritone


  • Avengeme

    What a surprise, some religious nut job getting offended over something pointless? Yeah that never happens.

    • Drift

      I agree with this guy ^^^^^

  • Kat

    I think they should deifinitely take the video down. Not for religious reasons, just because Katy Perry sucks and this song is just plain bad. Maybe that’s what they’re more pissed off about. The fact there’s a reference to their God in such a shitty music video.

    • Roger Peritone


    • prolibertate

      So they WATCH a “shitty video” and then are PISSED about it?

      Here’s a hint: if they don’t like it, they shouldn’t watch it.

      Simple enough?

    • Virgil Lee Bowen

      Well I am catholic and having James Wood sitting on a Toilet in Scary Movie and Leslie Neilson jumping Linda Blair in Repossessed Didnt offend me in fact I laugh my ass off, all I can say to Islam is get the F over it

  • Michelle Yeack Brantley Johnso

    I signed the petition. I believe that Katy Perry is a Satanist and So are Muslims. THey just worship SAtan in their own ways, I do follow either and I love God. God gave us all FREEWILL to choose. SO I signed for Freedom.

    • liveevil


  • DahktaD

    If it pisses Muslims off, then broadcast it everywhere.

    • Murray Garrison

      It’s not right, in any way, for the muslims to be outraged over this video. However, I wouldn’t blame for being outraged at your statement. Your statement is no better than the muslims being outraged. In fact, probably worse because you’re just being confrontational for no good reason…other than hate.

      • prolibertate

        No, he is RESPONDING to the pathetic hatred from Muslims against all things non-Muslim, which is INHERENT in Islam!

        The only way we can prevent them from taking over is by PUSHING BACK!

  • Dennis Bullard

    Islam offends Us So take your paedophylloic prophet and go fk your goats

  • Jack Riley


  • Dennis Bullard

    The reason Muslims are attracted to watching Katy is that they see bare arms legs and a face that is not covered… oh and loose clean hair. Their women wrapped up in bolto’s are anything but attractive. To get rid of their daughters they have to marry them off at age 6 or so to make it exciting for the blokes to have sex with, even then it;s probably not as satisfying as the goat they usually go to bed with. As the child ages into womanhood, they develop a high degree of ugliness, so they have to cover up to avoid embarrassing their husband. Ahhhhh the peacful all caring religion that has a high degree of respect for women and equality NOT!

    • sandra

      Are you serious? You definitely don’t know a thing about Muslims. Your mind is clouded with hate. And keep in mind not all people are the same, the image that you have of Muslims from the extremists does not represent what the rest believe. And from what you mentioned above, seems you’re only talking about people from the middle east ie people of Arab descent (what is potrayed on television anyway.) Islam is a religion, not a race! Anyone can be Muslim. In any case, Arabs have some of the most beautiful women in the world so I don’t know what you’re on about and by the way their religion emphasises cleanliness. I am not Muslim but I pray that you will be able to see that all this hate is just going to make you a bitter person who will miss out on everything life has to offer. I mean we were placed on a planet of diversity; people, religion- nothing is the same. Why not appreciate all of it?

      • Dennis Bullard

        You are obviously living in a bubble.
        The Muslims in Kenya just slayed 56 children at a christian school. In Britain recently a soldier was beheaded because he was not Muslim.. 5 Girles were genitally mutilated at age 5-6 by being sent to Pakistant o have their clitoris removed.. 100 british girls kidnapped by Muslim Pakistanis and made to indulge in prostitution.1000 killed in Nigeria when Muslims attacked a Christian parade. The priest was Beheaded. Try living in Yemeni for a few months and wearing your normal clothes. If you dont wear a Hijab and bolto when on the streets you will be stoned. So when you next defend these barbaric stone age idiots, frind out what is really happening in the world around you while you have your head up your arse beieving Islamists are happy peaceful people.

        These people are the same people that shot an passenger aeroplane out of the sky over Lockerby ( Gadhaffi (Lebanon). The same people that blew up The USS Cole and Killed many sailors in Yemen.Killed 3000 US citizens by flying into the twin towers. Blew up a bus in london, Discharged Sarin Gas in the Underground. Killed Buddhist Monks at a Monastery. Gave 200 lashes to a rape victim. Buried a woman in the sand up to her neck and stoned her to death for driving a car. Gang Raped 6 Tourist girls in Egypt with no consequence, except the complainants being gaoled for provocation. yeh real happy peacful people. Go live with them for a while and you will see the reality of this cult.

        • andrew_owens

          Christians in Mexico killed 80,000 people since 2005. They beheaded police officers, burned women alive. The Lords Resistence Army in Uganda killed over 10,000. They made children kill their own parents and even engaged in cannibalism while trying to establish a state based on the Bible. The Catholic hierarchy allowed pedophiles in its ranks for generations, defended the Nazis, assisted in the Holocaust and ran the Spanish Inquisition. Serbian Christians set up rape camps. And the Bible is full of violent verses. BUT WE DON’T JUDGE ALL CHRISTIANS BASED ON THAT. And we don’t go around demanding Christians to apologize for that before we will speak to them.

          • prolibertate

            NOT because they are Christians!

            They do not point to Bible verses that say that it’s ok to murder people for drug profits, do they?

            But Muslims, when they murder people “for Islam”, do so with the FULL “moral” backing of Islam!

            Imagine the worst and you’ll find that Mohammed already did it!

            In one Hadith (quoted by an Imam on TV), Mohammed caught camel thieves. He drove nails into their eyes, cut off their limbs and threw them in a ditch to die.

          • andrew_owens

            Who says they do that with the backing of Islam? Robert Spencer, David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes and some extremists Muslims? What about Muslims who interpret those very actions as a disgrace? Doesn’t their majority voice count as all? Actually, imagine the worst and you will find Heraclius, contemporary of Muhammad and Christian emperor of Rome outlawing Judaism and massacring tens of thousands of Jews and burning synogogues. This is much worse than anything Muhammad ever did. Go look it up. Don’t take my word for it.


          • prolibertate

            “Who says they do that with the backing of Islam?”

            THE QURAN, damit! READ IT !!!

            “Robert Spencer, David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes and some extremists Muslims?”

            Yes, that extremist Mohammed!

            WHY in the world are you talking about it if you know shit? You ASSUME that those people you mention are somehow “misinterpreting” Islam, but it is YOU who misinterprets it!

            Open the Quran. Read it. The read some of the major Hadiths.

            Either they make you feel SICK to your stomach or you are a psychopath. The kind of EVIL SHIT in those books is beyond belief.

            Here’s the thing:

            – people don’t really retain much from religious verses, they retain STORIES and EXAMPLES. When you ask a Christian what is significant to him, he will say “the example set by Jesus”.

            – when you ask a Muslim, he’ll also say that “Mohammed is the most important person of all times” and that his example must be followed. Muslims will even tell you that they love Mohammed more than their own parents.

            Now what are the examples set by Jesus and Mohammed? (always based on their religious scriptures):

            – Jesus never harmed anyone. He never raped a woman. He never held slaves. He never stole property. He never lied. He rejected barbaric punishments. He PARDONED people who had behaved immorally, such as the prostitute and even the tax collector (that was a mistake…:P)

            Jesus showed his respect for women by making a poor woman the first witness to his enlightenment.

            – Mohammed, on the other hand, LIED all the time, made up verses, then altered them (e.g. the Satanic Verses, which he later denied, through which he allowed multiple gods). He claimed that his cult was based on Judaism and Christianity, but then got every reference to the Bible and the Talmud wrong, so he claimed that those books had been “altered”.

            Mohammed used ASSASSINS to kill his opponents.

            He was a ROBBER, attacking Meccan caravans.

            He went to WAR.

            He RAPED women, authorized slavery and the sexual abuse of female slaves.

            He committed PEDOPHILIA.

            And he mass-murdered 800 Jews in 1 night, then raped the leader’s wife the same night. She paid him back by poisoning him. Good woman!

          • andrew_owens

            I have read the Quran, and I didn’t need Spencer, Horowitz or Pipes to preinterpret it for me. I’ve also studied Arabic and travelled in Arabic speaking nations. Have you? I’ve also noted that hadiths regarding jihad fall in the 52nd book of Bukhari IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE. The first three books are Revelations, Belief and Knowledge. None of the five pillars of Islam is jihad. If you feel so sick, then I suggest the Bible. Read how Moses treated the Midianites or how Joshua treated the tribe of Ai or how David paid his dowry in Philistine foreskins. And then go to the statement in the New Testament where Jesus upholds the law of Moses. You obviously don’t know your own religion or you wouldn’t be judging Islam.

          • prolibertate

            “I’ve also noted that hadiths regarding jihad fall in the 52nd book of Bukhari”

            You mean apart from being IN THE QURAN and THE most important obligation for Muslims!

            The Quran also ridicules those who claim that Jihad is somehow “spiritual”, because it explicitly exempts “handicapped men and women”, but makes it mandatory for physically valid men. Yep, it’s WAR!

            The 5 pillars only exist through the hadiths, so no one can claim that they are not fully part of Islam – with all the FAR WORSE sickness you find there!

            The first guy to assemble a version of the Quran said “I have left out those verses that made Mohammed appear in a bad light”. Clearly, he didn’t have the same notion of what might Mohammed look bad, because what he left in is quite enough!

            ” Read how Moses treated the Midianites or how Joshua treated the tribe of Ai or how David paid his dowry in Philistine foreskins.”

            I know – stories about the PAST, none of which are formulated as model behavior, let alone mandatory behavior. Also, all of the barbaric laws from the Old Testament are abolished by Jesus, as I already mentioned.

            ” You obviously don’t know your own religion ”

            You clearly are ILLITERATE or you maybe you simply don’t read what people write.

            Indeed, I don’t know “my own religion” BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ONE !!!


            But YOU just admitted that Islam really is YOUR religion, which explains all your desperate attempts to defend this shit!

          • prolibertate

            Here are a few choice verses from the Quran and a few famous Hadiths. Care to “justify” them? Or will you admit that whoever came up with this shit was a totally SICK, EVIL PERSON?

            Qur’an 2:61

            “Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

            Qur’an 4:44

            “Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, ‘We hear and we disobey’ with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith…. Allah has cursed them for disbelief.”

            Qur’an 4:47

            “O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

            Qur’an 4:160

            “For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men’s wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom.”

            Qur’an 5:59

            “Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?’ Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine.”

            Qur’an 2:64

            “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”


            “The Jews are a nation of liars…. The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.”

            Qur’an 33:26

            “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

          • prolibertate

            I’d love to hear why the alleged “creator of the universe” is so partial about ethnic groups… or what men and women wear, what they eat or how they shit.

            It just somehow seems like pretty pathetic preoccupations for a being supposed to have created billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars like our own sun – if not much larger.

            I can understand why people wonder where the universe comes from, but to look for an explanation from a guy who thought that the earth was flat and that there are “angels and Jinns” is simply pathetic.

            Even more so to try and impose legal rules based on an uneducated, sick, paranoid, schizophrenic, pedophile guy from the Arabian desert from the 7th century.

          • prolibertate

            “What about Muslims who interpret those very actions as a disgrace?”

            They are BAD Muslims, i.e. they don’t follow their own scriptures.

            “Doesn’t their majority voice count as all?”

            They are NOT a majority! And the “majority” is irrelevant – it’s ALWAYS the extremists who lead!

            The Nazis never had majority support in Germany – the most they ever got in an election was 42% and MOST of those who voted to them would not have agreed with the extremist views of their leaders.

            “Actually, imagine the worst”

            Say the mass murder of 80 MILLION Hindus by Muslims, who tried to impose Islam on India?

            “and you will find Heraclius”

            Muslims murdered an estimated 300 – 400 million people IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and you talk about a guy who killed a few thousand people?

            Sure, he was an awful cocksucker, but he is IRRELEVANT, today. No one is following the ideas of Heraclius, today. But 1.5 billion people claim that they follow the ideas of that evil bastard Mohammed.

            So what was your point again?

          • andrew_owens

            Say the mass murder of 80 MILLION Hindus by Muslims, who tried to impose Islam on India?
            First of all, this is a single source estimate by a far right-wing Indian historian K.S. Lal. He is associated with the Hindutvas and the RSS. This estimate doesn’t take into account for example, the bubonic plague or black death that originated in India and took over 200 million lives in Europe. That happened during the same period. It assumes that all conflict with Muslims was due to Islam and not due to territory or any other motive. It ignores the fact that Hindu groups sometimes allied themselves with Muslims and fought beside them. So no, there is no evidence whatsoever that 80 million Hindus were mass murdered. It is well documented that there were conflicts and occasionally those were based on religion, but there was also peaceful trade, voluntary conversions and cooperation. Everyone who mentions this estimate is ultimately quoting a single source, whether it’s Andrew Bostam, Koenrad Elst or Daniel Pipes. All that aside, not a single Indian was killed by a Muslim during the life of Muhammad. He died decades before the first mosque was built in Malabar, which in turn was decades before the Calif reacted to pirates and sent an expedition to Sindh.

          • prolibertate

            ” not a single Indian was killed by a Muslim during the life of Muhammad.”


            He had no clue about life anywhere else – he thought that the entire universe was what he knew about. Hence there is no mention of snow or ice in the Quran.

            The Quran even says that there is a PLACE where the sun SETS and a PLACE where it RISES. What can you expect from a man who thinks that the world is small, flat and under a sky tent, to which little lamps are attached?

            Stars are also “thrown by angels at Jinns that try to enter Paradise – a physical location reachable by traveling UP 😀

          • andrew_owens

            Muslims murdered an estimated 300 – 400 million people IN THE NAME OF ISLAM and you talk about a guy who killed a few thousand people?

            To start with, during the life of Muhammad, the total number of violent fatalities was, including wars, around 1500. For example, the total lost on both sides at the Battle of Badr was 84.


            We are being asked to believe that jihadis killed, by the year 1600, more people than lived in South Asia in the year 1600.
            So, we’ve just accounted for 80 of your 300-400 million, a single source Hindutva who thinks the burning of Babri Mosque and the massacre in Gujarat of 2000 Muslims with children burned alive was an act of patriotism. That this estimate takes place during the black death without mentioning it.
            So would you be willing to explain the other missing 320 million? This amount is more than the total world population in 1300, six centuries after the birth of Islam.

          • prolibertate

            Wow, the level of DENIAL is pathetic! Did you understand that this number – 80 million – was the number of victims OVER SEVERAL GENERATIONS?

            No, clearly, you did not! Now try the math after you’ve adjusted for that little fact and assume that the mass murder took place over several centuries. Still “implausible”?

            Even if 80 million was a high estimate, how many would be “acceptable” to you?

            20 million? 10 million?

            Maybe 1 million?

            1 million is the number of Europeans who were captured and enslaved by Muslims, until France invaded Algeria and occupied Algiers, which put an end to Muslim pirates in the Mediterranean!

            But guess WHO sold black slaves to Europeans?

            The PRE-EXISTING SLAVE MARKETS in Africa, which were operated by Muslims!

            They took over 70 MILLION slaves from sub-Saharan Africa, castrated the men and raped the women, but killed any offspring.

            This is documented in a book by a Senegalese author who was raised as Muslim. I can even find the video in which he is interviewed.

          • andrew_owens

            No one is following the ideas of Heraclius, today.

            Actually Heraclius involved himself in defining Christianity and uniting various conflicting parties. The decisions made in the Synod of 649 shortly after his death created a stricter doctrine of the nature of Christ. For that act, Constans II, grandson of Heraclius condemned Pope Martin I to exile.

          • prolibertate

            Totally irrelevant!

          • prolibertate

            Ultimately, the question is:

            Are you a Muslim?

            Or why else are you defending Muslims?

            You DO realize that if Islam spreads further, your own rights will go out the window – and it will not matter one bit if you were supporting them before or not – you either CONVERT or you are a non-believer with no rights, period.

            ” the other 99% got it wrong”

            It’s amazing what ridiculous numbers people will pull out of their asses.

            Here are the actual NUMBERS:


            Looks more like the “true believers” are around 80%, overall.

            In the UK, 48% of the general Muslim population admitted to supporting Sharia law.

            Among students, i.e. those who are supposed to be educated, it’s 75%!

            So tell us again about your 99% 😛

          • prolibertate

            In fact, Christians, i.e. followers of Jesus (which I’m not – I’m Atheist) cannot use violence AT ALL, except in self-defense, as Jesus said – regarding ancient violent punishments, like stoning for infidelity: “Who has no faults, throw the first stone”.

            Given that no one is without fault, he clearly said: “no one may throw the first stone”.

            In the Quran, Mohammed says about harsh punishments “Do not feel pity for those you punish”.

            Get the difference?

          • andrew_owens

            They can’t??? Christians can’t use violence except in self- defense? That doesn’t explain huge swaths of history of acts directly committed by the Church and endorsed by scholars within the Church. If you read the Quran carefully, you’ll see that Muslims too can only enter jihad (the lesser jihad) as a means of defending their religion. However, just as with Christians the definition of defense is a slippery slope.

          • prolibertate

            “Christians can’t use violence except in self- defense”

            IF they want to act AS CHRISTIANS!

            If they do NOT act as Christians, they can do whatever they want!

            But Muslims act in accordance with Islam when they do HORRIBLE things, because their model, Mohammed, has done them all!

            Do you understand that difference or is it too hard for you?

          • prolibertate

            There are bad Christians, like those drug gangs in Mexico, anti-abortionists who bomb clinics etc. They act against their own religion.

            And there are bad Muslims – those who REFUSE to commit terror (which the Quran demands of them), who REJECT pedophilia, who DO take non-Muslims for friends etc.

            So a GOOD Christian can be quite a pleasant (though sometimes annoying) person, while a GOOD Muslim is someone who wants to either convert or kill you.

          • andrew_owens

            So, in your estimate, Bin Laden interpreted Islam correctly and the other 99% got it wrong. Who died and made you the judge of Muslims? For that matter, you are denying all the many times in history that people highly placed in Christian hierarchy and with a great deal of knowledge of the Bible have encouraged intolerance and violence.

          • prolibertate

            No, the others just either don’t care (yes, there are plenty of Muslims who don’t give a flying shit about Islam) or they agree!

            e.g. the fact that Mohammed was a pedophile was never questionable, for Muslims. They based multiple legal systems on that FACT: in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan and Iran you can marry under-age girls. Khomeini, based on Mohammed’s example, advocated a marriage age of 9 (Ayesha was married at 6, but raped at 9 by the prophet, according to her own Hadiths!)

            So if so many experts on Islam agree, we can safely assume that Mohammed really did rape a 9 year old.

            “Who died and made you the judge of Muslims?”

            The “judge of Muslims”? What a retarded claim!

            ” you are denying all the many times in history that people highly placed in Christian hierarchy and with a great deal of knowledge of the Bible have encouraged intolerance and violence”

            I’m not denying anything. This is even more retarded. I could equally say: “by mentioning crimes committed by people who claimed to be Christians, you deny the crimes by Chinese Communists”.

            Those crimes are IRRELEVANT. The pope has no more worldly powers. There is no more inquisition. I’ve lived my whole live surrounded by Christians and NO ONE ever batted an eyelash about the fact that I am an Atheist and do not care about Christian morals.

            But since Muslims started invading the West and the Internet, we are constantly UNDER ASSAULT by barbaric retards who take Islam literally, so yes, IT IS A PROBLEM!

            I debated HUNDREDS of Muslims, over the last 12-14 years. And that’s AFTER I read the Quran, of which I bought a copy in 1995, simply out of curiosity.

            I’ve read a lot of religious books, but the Quran is by far the most EVIL one, hands down!

            And not just superficially, no, every other worse is another fascist atrocity.

          • andrew_owens

            The “judge of Muslims”? What a retarded claim!
            Well you’ve just finished ranting about how this religion is putting you “under assault”. Do you feel just as under assault by a drug trade that has killed tens of thousands more Americans than Islamic extremists? The recent arrest of a Mexican drug kingpin ties him to 80,000 murders! Since 9/11 there have been fewer than 100 Americans killed by extremists outside of warzones. That’s over a period of 13 years. More Americans have died of bee stings in that period. But you think these pion criminals are waging some kind of winnable war that, unless Islam and the other 99.999% of Muslims are erradicated is going to rock your world???

          • prolibertate

            Here’s your other gigantic error: You think I’m American!

            WHY would you assume that?

            I’m actually Swiss.

            This guy here is my neighbor – just down the road and yes, I know him – you probably missed the fact that I mentioned him:


            He knows infinitely more about Islam than you do. He translated the Quran himself, after consulting all the first original scriptures. He taught Sharia law at university level. He is consulted as Sharia expert.


            Incidentally, he translated the web site of the mosque of Lausanne for the police. That mosque is 5km from my place away.

            The OFFICIAL part of the mosque’s web site contained Arabic texts that called for the MURDER OF NON-BELIEVERS! It also instructed parents to BEAT their children, if they didn’t do their prayers or didn’t want to go to the mosque.

            Right here, at my front door!

            “Only 0.000001% of Muslims think like that” MY ASS !!!

          • The Farney Fontenoy

            Get your head out of your arse, Mexico is a drug gang warzone & nothing to do with religion. Period. The LRA are a bunch of rebels & criminals who care nothing about religion and only blather on about African mysticism and Christian fundamentalism whenever it suits them. Granted there has been abuse in the Church, however islam TEACHES child abuse, paedophilia & rape from childhood.
            Hundreds of Catholic priests & bishops along whith hundreds of thousands of Christians of all creeds shared concentration camps with the jews AFTER the vatican made peace with hitler, who stabbed them in the back. However hundreds of thousands of muslims happily fought and killed for hitler in north Africa and the Balkans after all, they were doing the work of ‘allah’, as in killing non-muslims.
            The Spanish inquisiton ran for 350 years, yet muslim gunmen kill more people every day than the Inquisiton did in that whole time.
            If you want to talk about violent verses, you are referring to the Old Testament, and in that case, go talk to a rabbi.
            Christians follow the New Testament – you should read it – and if no-one finds out, you not might get your hands chopped off for that.

          • andrew_owens

            There are plenty of conflicts in the world that are simplified by our media so that only we hear about religion. Kashmir and Golan Heights for examples are territorial disputes and elsewhere there are tribal disputes. Politicians in those places use religious rhetoric to fire up the people, but the base conflict and the ultimate cause of violence is territory and resources. Let’s look at the Sudan. Darfur is close to 100% Muslim, but it sits on one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Afghanistan sits on trillions of minerals as well as being the perfect spot for a pipeline. The LRA marches in a cross formation and quotes from the Bible in their efforts to base a state on the ten commandments of Moses. The Spanish Inquisition and the persecution and force conversion of North and South American natives were done with the blessings of the church by people well versed in the scripture. Lutheran and Catholic priests gave sermons that encouraged persecution of the Jews. As recently as Rwanda, priests were charged with using the pulpit to encourage a genocide. Before that there were attrocities by the Serbs against the Muslims. And BTW, I love your analogy to the Spanish Inquisition, that, among 1.5 billion people, there is more killing including in wars and over the entire globe than a few hundred people could commit in a non-wartime situation over a period of 350 years. We can also say that Mexicans murdered over twice as many people since 2005 than were killed on both sides during the battle of Antietam, one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War. Should we judge all Mexicans as murderers based on that? Because that’s exactly how you are treating Muslims.

          • prolibertate

            Funny how you skip over, say, the 700 yearly deaths in Southern Thailand, due to Muslims who want to create YET ANOTHER Muslim country there!

            In Darfur, it’s an Arabic Islamic government mass-killing Christians, Animists and black Muslims – and if you studied Arabic, you know that the term for “black person” is the same as for “slave”.

          • andrew_owens

            There aren’t any Christians in Darfur! Darfur is in the West. The Christians are in the South, hundreds of miles away. Get a map buddy!

          • prolibertate

            The really funny part is how you harp on misdeeds allegedly committed by Christians.

            ALL of them TOTALLY irrelevant: as I pointed out already, I’M NOT A CHRISTIAN.

            Secondly, 2 wrongs don’t make a right!

            Third, already mentioned several times: whatever misdeeds Christians committed, they were NOT supported by their scriptures!

            Here’s the part you don’t get:

            – when Christians started READING the Bible, after the Reformation, most of that shit went out the window. Christians demanded the abolition of slavery, based on Jesus’ example!

            – when Muslims read the Quran, they become FUNDAMENTALISTS!

            The only “nice” Muslims I know (and that’s quite a few of them) never actually read the Quran!

            Like that girl from Kazakhstan, who was shocked when I mentioned a quote from the Quran. She said: “That can’t possibly be in the Quran. It was a holy book for my grandparents!” – “You never read it?” – “No” – “I can show you the exact verse” – “I don’t want to know”.

            So basically, Muslims have only the choice between:
            1) IGNORANCE
            2) Following evil
            3) Rejecting evil, which entails death threats, as those who want to leave Islam are supposed to be killed

            And yes, those who do so publicly DO get death threats, e.g. an Egyptian now living in Germany who published 2 books on Islam.

          • andrew_owens

            If you want to talk about violent verses, you are referring to the Old Testament, and in that case, go talk to a rabbi.
            That’s an excellent piece of advice. Do you get the majority of your knowledge of Islam from Muslims? From having visited a mosque? From having spoken with an imam? Or do you get your Quranic quotes pre-interpreted for you by Robert Spencer, David Horowitz and Daniel Pipes?

          • prolibertate

            Personally, I get them straight from the original sources, i.e. the Quran and the Hadiths! They are CLEAR and do not require any “interpretation”. The Quran itself says so. There’s a verse that says: “The word of Allah is clear and easily understood”. So that means that it can all be taken at face value.

            Of course I can also ask my neighbor, Sami Al-Deeb,, who taught Sharia law at university level and who produced his own translation of the Quran.

            In his words (from a radio interview, which you can find on his blog, but in French): “The more I know about Islam, the less I want to have anything to do with it”.

            Any further questions?

          • prolibertate


            Because the BIBLE DOES NOT TELL THEM TO ACT THAT WAY!!!

            The Quran, however, tells Muslims to “kill all non-believers”, except for the “people of the book” who may live “if they pay Zakat” – a tax that was traditionally 50% of Christian’s and Jew’s income.

            As Atheist, I would not even be offered that choice – which I would refuse anyway.

            I’ve lived surrounded by Christians all my life and NEVER felt as much as a criticism for not being Christian.

            I barely started debating Muslims, 15 years ago, that I started getting death threats!

          • andrew_owens

            Why don’t you tell us how Jews were treated in Europe when they were dhimmis in the Muslim world? Oh, that’s right, they weren’t allowed to live there. Their religion was outlawed for centuries in Germany, in France, in England. Jews fled to the Middle East where they were permitted to live and left all of their homes and property behind. Of course, that doesn’t include the Jews mass murdered by the Crusaders when they were found living in Jerusalem and elsewhere. And it doesn’t include the Holocaust, the thing which we shall never forget.

        • andrew_owens

          These people are the same people that shot an passenger aeroplane out of the sky over Lockerby ( Gadhaffi (Lebanon).

          Gadhaffi was from Libya, not Lebanon. Second, the motive for that bombing was not Islam. That in no way excuses the horrific nature of this crime against humanity, but it has nothing to do with Islam. The other crimes you mention do indeed characterized .00001% of the worlds Muslims. And I suppose you think that justifies how you act towards the other 1.5 billion of them.

          The motive that is generally attributed to Libya can be traced back to a series of military confrontations with the US Navy that took place in the 1980s in the Gulf of Sidra, the whole of which Libya claimed as its territorial waters. First, there was the Gulf of Sidra incident (1981) when two Libyan fighter aircraft were shot down. Then, two Libyan radio ships were sunk in the Gulf of Sidra. Later, on 23 March 1986 a Libyan Navy patrol boat was sunk in the Gulf of Sidra,[97] followed by the sinking of another Libyan vessel on 25 March 1986.[98] The Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, was accused of retaliating for these sinkings by ordering the 5 April 1986 bombing of West Berlin nightclub, La Belle, that was frequented by U.S. soldiers and which killed three and injured 230.[99]

        • liveevil

          no contest, you shut her down! 🙂

        • lr

          Well said Dennis. Ppl need to open their eyes to this CULT before it’s too late!

      • prolibertate

        Ok, you’re not Muslim and you never read the Quran or the Hadiths, hence your “tolerance” towards that evil, political ideology, which shows ZERO tolerance towards the rest of the world!

        Not tolerance towards the intolerant!

        Go read a few Quran Verses to get an idea of how much hatred there is against non-Muslims, in particular Jews, and against women.

        It also supports Slavery, sexual abuse of slaves and mass murder.

        An amazingly large part of the Quran is dedicated to the sharing of LOOT form wars against non-Muslims.

        Mohammed goes to great length to justify that he should get 3/5ths of the loot, the greedy bastard:
        – Divide into 5 shares, then give 1 share for the “prophet”
        – 1 share to Allah (which is the prophet, as Allah doesn’t exist)
        – 1 share to the “orphans” (which is the prophet, because he used to be an orphan; he never actually gave anything to other orphans)

        Why don’t Muslims ever ask why the “creator of the universe”, their moon god “Allah”, needs a share of loot?

      • Adam

        Theres a difference between appreciating everything and allowing senseless violence over stupid made up religious ideas to continue .

  • Paul Crowley

    Ok. I got it. The money maker reality TV pitch. Someone else can come up with the title, but here’s the concept: Muslim family switching channels on TV idly and then getting frustrated with…. Everything.

    So, come on, recommended title for it?

    • TVG

      Why not Jihad Survivor? BeingAnother meteor fragment, perhaps? voted off gets you a funny-looking vest and a one-way ticket as consolation prizes…

    • Dave Balchin

      I’m proposing you call it Haram-Haram-a-ding-dong.

  • Rickie elliott

    A non-believer may not commit blasphemy. Treating islam with the respect it deserves would entail a mushroom cloud where Mecca currently exists.

    • andrew_owens

      19 up votes for nuking Mecca. You would have gotten 100 in Nazi Germany for saying that about the Jews.

  • Guest

    For crying out loud, it wasn’t even the pendant that got zapped. It was the man. Whoop-de-do-da!

    • prolibertate

      Yeah, that was wrong – she should have zapped Mohammed himself!

      • Guest

        You’re part of the damned problem, bigot.

        • prolibertate

          Hahaha, you’re pathetic!

          You clearly don’t even know what “bigot” means.

          To you, it’s obviously just an insult, like “racist”.

          So you don’t like people who hate PEDOPHILES and MASS MURDERERS?

          How am I “bigot” for having read – in the Quran – that non-believers like me are supposed to be murdered? What attitude would be ok towards that kind of message?

          “Oh, please, come and murder me!”

          Because there’s no way I’d ever accept to follow ANY religion, much less a totally retarded one!

          So again, given that the Quran is a HATE book from beginning to end against people like me, WHY should I not oppose it?

          I think the BIGOTS are those who follow Islam!

          • Um, read your Bible. The body count is pretty atrocious.


          • prolibertate

            “Read YOUR Bible”???

            Why would it be MY Bible?

            Pathos, why do Muslims always assume that other people also believe in mythical creatures in the sky?

            Christians and Jew are not the only people who hate Muslims, you know. Buddhists hate Muslims, too and so do Hindus, Sikhs, Taoists, Animists and of course Atheists, like me!

            In fact no one except Muslims like Muslims – provided they are from the correct denomination. The only people who hate Shia Muslims more than all the non-Muslims are Sunni Muslims and vice versa!

            Now regarding the Bible: the “body count” you mention are (alleged) historical events. They do NOT represent an invitation or obligation for the reader of the Bible to imitate what was done during those events, contrary to Islam, where everything tends to be formulated as an oblibation. Whatever Mohammed did is what his followers should do.

            Incidentally, Mohammed claimed that the Bible was from Allah, too, which would make the Bible a holy book for Muslims, too – including the body count. But we can agree that this was just another lie.

        • liveevil

          your part of the damned problem, infidel

  • Iron Tub

    So? I am offended the Muslims are offended. You’ll get over it.

  • Greg

    If we start a petition on to remove the petition and get more signatures, will that remove it?

    • prolibertate

      I would like a worldwide petition to remove Islam from this planet! It’s a shame for all of humanity

      • liveevil


        • lr

          Where do I sign?

      • andrew_owens

        What will that make you?

    • liveevil


  • RakshaCat

    People are entitled to their opinions and can sign a petition if they wish. You all certainly feel more than entitled to smear the webosphere with your misinformed and much MUCH more offensive yuck. I think the author of this article is worse than the cause he rails against by a landslide.

    • prolibertate

      You’re entitled to YOUR opinion, but I’m entitled to tell you that in my opinion, your opinion is CRAP!

    • liveevil


  • Maybe the video’s directors shot it that way becuase the controversy would generatee more publicity? At any rate, this isn’t “The Innocence of Muslims”; let’s see jihadi’s justify their rage now!

  • jlo1965

    I’m not Muslim but I was born in Lebanon and I do not see the pendent. It’s seems they changed it . I can’t make it out but it has the letter D in it.

  • Votre TSQE

    Youtube put a filter on it. look minute 1 : 14 is no longer there but this is a pic..

  • Votre TSQE

    Muslims bitch for everything, they forgot they have been beheading christians and buddhist all over the planet, but hey! they gotta bitch! also they just declared fatwa on MARS, yes, fucking planet mars.. unbelievable…

  • sarah Alazawi

    I can’t believe you people have so much hate for Islam, It’s a religion of PEACE for god’s sake! If you really read the Quran as you said (@prolibertate), you’ll see that 75% is about peace! so stop talking on behalf of the Quran and on behalf of Muslims pretending that you read every single word. not because some people took things too extreme that doesn’t mean they represent Islam! My religion only ask that we defend it, and spread the word of Allah, and never attack! In the Quran it’s even says that I have my own religion and you have your own. To spread the word and live in peace is what Islam is really about. If you don’t want to be saved, fine! you get to decide! And that is all, I’m not gonna kill you, you idiot, unless you decide to attack me and my religion, then I have to defend it.

    • Sonorense

      Mohammed promoted peace when he was weak and had been rejected in his hometown, and the change of attitude and scripture comes after he had a strong following and decided to slaughter all those who opposed him and his religion. He was a pedophile and a murderer, among other things. Basically you say, “I’m not gonna kill you, you idiot, unless you decide to attack me and my religion.” So if someone attacks “your religion”, then you’re justified in killing the person? Some religion of “PEACE” you represent. You’re just the kind of ignorant follower your religion requieres.

      • liveevil

        perfectly said

      • andrew_owens

        Oh, I recognize that Islam isn’t the religion of peace. So, which one is? The Christian cheerleaders of the Nazis? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusaders? The Conquistadors burning people at the stake for not converting? The Pilgrims forcing Indians into prayer towns? Charlemagne beheading 4000 Saxons? Christian Identity abortion clinic bombers? Or do you say that atheists, whose first national movement is known as “The Terror” from which the word terrorism derrives are the peaceful ones? Is it Stalinist purges of the religious that indicates peace to you?

    • Dwain Cearley Sr.

      When you all stop strapping bombs on to children or teaching them or stop beheading other than your own. Killing people because we don’t believe in Islam. Well Sarah alazawi and your religion of peace do me a favor get the hell out of my country USA.

      • Wuvixx

        You sir need to have a bit of respect, and learn the proper way of speech. Secondly, it seems like you are talking in general with “you all”. Allow me to point out that we haven’t seen bad things from the muslim world except from muslim extremists. It was the result of wrong explanation or deformation of such religion.

        I don’t think you sir know that your own country consist of different cultures, ethnics and religions. Incase you are curious, I’m an Atheist not defending any religious beliefs.

    • Wuvixx

      Miss Alazawi, I know that your religion is about peace because I myself have read about Quran. But, I don’t think your religion extremists count, do they? I know Egypt specifically is having lots of trouble dealing with muslim extremists (muslim brotherhood, etc.)

      Secondly, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to attack any religion at all. Attacking another religion is a crime in the US.

      Thanks for being brave enough to post your thoughts, Sarah.

      • D. Kiiskila

        Attacking another religion is a crime in the US? Where?

        Christianity is a lie. Islam is a lie. All religions are nothing but lies.

        Does me making those statements allow you or anyone else to end my existence because I’ve “attacked” their religion?

        What law did I break?

        Am I now brave because I posted my thoughts as an atheist?

        • Adam

          Youre just rational. Finally a sensible person lol. Theres no proof any one religion is more correct than any other thousands of now dead religions. Religious nuts are so fucked in the head they defend a fairy tale with their lives and yet deny thousands of other religions for the same reasons we deny theirs.

    • Pam Spangler

      sarah Alazawi – As stated in your comment – ” I’m not gonna kill you, you idiot, unless you decide to attack me and my religion, then I have to defend it.” This is NOT a peaceful statement , from your own words , you state if your Religion is attacked , you would kill! So what was your point again?

    • Seth Gordon

      islam is not a religion. It is a cult of violence and oppression that condones the rape of children, spousal abuse, cutting the heads off any dissenters or disbelievers and throwing stones at peoples faces until they die. Why? All because some psychotic child molester pronounced himself a prophet based on a hallucination of having a conversation with some magical being in his head? the world would be a better place if the cult of islam went the same way as Jim Jones cult of the Peoples Temple.

      • ___Christianity___ is not a religion. It is a cult of violence and oppression that condones the rape of children, spousal abuse, cutting the heads off any dissenters or disbelievers and throwing stones at peoples faces until they die. Why? All because some psychotic child molester pronounced himself a prophet based on a hallucination of having a conversation with some magical being in his head? the world would be a better place if the cult of islam went the same way as Jim Jones cult of the Peoples Temple.

        I couldn’t agree more. Have you actually READ the Bible recently?

        Have you read the NEWSPAPERS lately?

        Order given for Xians to stone Gays

        And please, find me a non-psychotic child molester in the Bible — Jesus had young men with him only earing sheets — once in the official books — alone with Jesus at night, almost getting caught by the guards taking Jesus, and again in one of the ancient, but unofficial books, where the lad got to learn the Secrets of Heaven in private with Jesus.
        Soooo … did I miss anything , HYPOCRITE?

        • prolibertate

          It’s not a competition. No one gives a flying shit about other religions. Even if there WERE other religions that were just as bad as Islam, it would NOT exonerate Islam.

          But in fact, Islam is NOT like any other religion. It’s INFINITELY much worse – and I can say that, because I read the religious scriptures of a lot of religions, including the Quran and a lot of Hadiths.

          Islam is BY FAR the worst ideology EVER!

        • prolibertate

          Even if that were true, it would be irrelevant, because you just described Islam as it really is!

          All I’d have to say, if you could prove your point, is: get rid of BOTH, Islam and Christianity.

          You’d just make sure that we’d REALLY eliminate all that religious BULLSHIT for good!

          HOWEVER, you are spreading lies:

          – Christians confronted with pedophile priests did NOT make excuses, they were SHOCKED and DEMANDED THEIR RESIGNATION!

          The Christian “prophet” Jesus is not described as having fucked little girls, contrary to Mohammed, so Christians do NOT view pedophilia as acceptable.

          In fact, all the pedophile priests were catholic. It’s their celibacy that causes problems or attracts the wrong kind of people.

          It is not part of their religion or scriptures.

          The problem with Islam is that it JUSTIFIES such behavior – anything Mohammed did is automatically ok. Hence numerous Muslim countries ALLOW peodophilia!

          That’s what’s so fucking WRONG with Islam!

    • lr

      Islam is not a relgion

    • Adam

      You claim 75 % is about peace then the other 25% must be where all the violence and nutballs get their material.

    • prolibertate

      Sarah, your “religion” of Islam says (and I know, as I read the Quran and various Hadiths) that Atheists like me have to be MURDERED.

      You wonder why non-Muslims hate Islam?

      Have a good, hard look at how Islam speaks about non-Muslims!

      You want hatred? It’s right in the Quran!

      It tells you not to be friends with non-Muslims.

      Read the following verses and tell me why anyone should like Islam:

      Qur’an 2:61

      “Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

      Qur’an 4:44

      “Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, ‘We hear and we disobey’ with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith…. Allah has cursed them for disbelief.”

      Qur’an 4:47

      “O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

      Qur’an 4:160

      “For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men’s wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom.”

      Qur’an 5:59

      “Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?’ Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine.”

      Qur’an 2:64

      “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”


      “The Jews are a nation of liars…. The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.”

      Qur’an 33:26

      “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”


      “The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised.”

      Qur’an 59:14

      “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”

      Qur’an 2:96

      “We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them.”

      Qur’an 4:55

      “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”

      Qur’an 88:1

      “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”

      Tabari VIII:116

      “After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah’s Messenger marched against Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting the Jews.”


      “A notable Jew spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, ‘Allah knows best about your enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say: “We hear and disobey,” twisting their tongues and attacking the religion so Allah cursed them.'”

      Tabari VIII:121

      “Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood. Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman’s dead husband. When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face, and poured dust on her head. When Allah’s Prophet saw her, he said, ‘Take this she-devil away from me!'”


      “Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah’s Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah’s Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah’s Apostle to leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘We shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.’ Thus they stayed till the time of Umar’s Caliphate when he expelled them.”

      Tabari VIII:130

      “The Messenger said during his final illness, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia.”


      “Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle’s squadron, fully armed, powerful, and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust.”


      “We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely.”

      Qur’an 59:14

      “They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense.”


      “Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours…. Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: ‘Satan wishes to lead them astray.”


      “Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, ‘They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.'”

      Tabari VII:158

      “The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not shed their blood and that their property and possessions would be his.”

      Qur’an 5:13

      “But because of their breach of their covenant We cursed the Jews, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places [the illiterate prophet pronounced] and forget and abandon a good part of the message that was sent them. Nor will you cease to find deceit in them. And because of their breaking their covenant We have cursed them. They altered words from their context and they neglected a portion of the message they were reminded of.”

      Qur’an 5:41

      “Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places…. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.””

      Qur’an 5:42

      “They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!”

      • andrew_owens

        You’ve got a pocketful of out of context quotes that you’ve been told the meaning of by non-Muslims. There are well over 6000 verses in the Quran and as many as 100,000 hadiths. To claim to know the entire nature of the relgion based on 50 or so is like deluded Christians that think they know Christianity after reading the Book of Revelations. You’ve completely skipped the 5 pillars.

        • prolibertate

          Haha, the “out of context” line of defense and the “you are ignorant” one. I thought we had settled the “ignorance” issue, as I proved that I really know Islam!

          1) The CONTEXT only makes it WORSE!

          Take the famous verse “Whoever kills one person kills all of humanity”. Sounds good, right? Until you put it into CONTEXT:

          In fact, that’s the rule given to JEWS: “If a JEW kills a PERSON” and a PERSON is A MUSLIM and ONLY A MUSLIM.

          Allah (Mohammed’s sock puppet) doesn’t give a flying shit about non-Muslims, as plenty of other verses prove.

          So it’s a WARMING for Jews NOT TO KILL MUSLIMS. It doesn’t imply that Mohammed is against the murder of non-Muslims. After all, he says often enough to kill them and strike terror in their hearts.

          2) There is simply no context in which ANY of those verses could be made to sound good.

          “that you’ve been told the meaning of by non-Muslims”

          A totally idiotic assumption supported by NOTHING!

          I didn’t need anyone to “tell me the meaning of those verses”. I read the damn Quran, I totally get it. Remember that there’s that famous verse 54:17:

          Yusuf Ali: And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

          It’s EASY to understand!

          So anyone who claims that it requires “interpretation” is an apostate!

          You can take everything it says at face value ;D

        • prolibertate

          And if you’re not happy, you can take up the debate with Sami Al-Deeb:

          In case you think that you know more about Islam than a man who taught Sharia law at university level and who translated the Quran himself 😀

          Good luck with that.

          Funny, Mr.Al-Deeb thinks my interpretations are correct…

          • andrew_owens

            Well then, if you don’t like what I say, you can take it up with Yassir Qadhi. I studied under him and his brother and know him and his family for over a decade. He thinks my interpretations are correct. I’ve seen him lecture opposite Tariq Ramadan and John Esposito. I can’t imagine anyone who can possibly study Islam and come to the conclusion that there is only one interpretation of it. But then, as the Quran says:

            “Unquestionably, it is they who are foolish, but they do not know.”


    • prolibertate

      NB: I’m not Jewish, but I see no difference between Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” and the Quran. Same antisemitic bullshit.

      Besides, “Mein Kampf” is extremely popular among Muslims – and Muslims were allies of the Nazis, during WWII.

      I hate Nazis. Why would I like Muslims who follow the Quran?

      • andrew_owens

        Well gosh, it’s rather clear that there would have been a Holocaust without Muslims, and furthermore over 1000 years of Muslim rule happened without anything close to that. Therefore, there were many, many, many non-Muslim Europeans involved in the Holocaust. But I don’t see you making blanket statements about Europeans, even though there is a large skinhead movement of anti-semites among them that also vandalize and beat up Jews to this day.

        • prolibertate

          ” it’s rather clear that there would have been a Holocaust without Muslims,”

          NOT IN THE LEAST!

          BEFORE Hitler’s meeting with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the Nazis only expelled Jewish people.

          The Grand Mufti was afraid that those Jews would move to the historic Israel and thus increase the Jewish population – which already stood at 80% – so he DEMANDED of Hitler that he kill all the Jews.

          We know FOR SURE that he was directly responsible for the death of 5’000 Jewish Children, which the Nazis were ready to trade for German prisoners of war. He opposed the trade in a letter that is on record and as a consequence, those 5’000 Jewish children were murdered in Auschwitz!

          “over 1000 years of Muslim rule happened without anything close to that.”


          The Muslims committed repeated mass-murder of epic proportions. You again try to ignore the mass murder of Hindus, haggling over the actual extent. Was it 20 million or 80 million? Fact is, even if it had “only” been 1 million, that was way too much.

          And you forget the GENOCIDE against Africans. Remember: 70 MILLION SUB-SAHARAN SLAVES who were CASTRATED, so that they could not have any offspring!

          The term “black” and “slave” being SYNONYMOUS in Arabic!

          “But I don’t see you making blanket statements about Europeans”

          “European” is not an ideology. “Muslim” is! I DO make blanket statements about Nazis. Nazi, Communist and Muslim are in the same category: once you know that a person is a follower of one of these ideologies, you know what to expect.

          If someone is Jewish, you can hardly complain if he doesn’t like Nazis, right? Well part of the FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS of Muslims is that:
          – Islam must be imposed on the entire world
          – non-Muslims must either convert or be killed
          – as I’ll never convert, that represents a death threat for me

          Nazis and Muslims ALLY all over Europe, united by their hatred of Jews. e.g. in Hungary, the Neonazi movement Jobbik is financed by Iran. As are Dieudonné and Soral, the French Muslim and Neonazi who created a party together. They admitted that they were financed by Iran on camera. You can find them on YouTube, admitting to it.

          So why would I particularly like the invasion of Europe by Muslims?

          Collectively, what is their contribution to our quality of life?

          Based on an EGYPTIAN economist, from the university of Cairo, 80% of all the Muslims in Europe live on social security, which Muslim activists call a form of Zakat – a tax Muslims impose on non-Muslims and which is supposed to be “legitimate”.

          You can hear that as well from Choudary, on camera!

          And the first Muslim to have been minister of justice, in the UK, is on video as he speaks to an assembly of Muslims, explaining how Muslims will take over the government of the UK, “Insh’Allah”.

          • prolibertate

            And seriously: considering the very small population, on the Arabic Peninsula, murdering an entire tribe of 800 Jews was proportionately a GIGANTIC mass-murder!

            Especially when you consider the cause:

            Mohammed kept EXTORTING MONEY from them. When they were finally fed up with his greed, they said NO.

            So he attacked them and for daring to not pay him, he murdered 800 Jewish men AFTER they surrendered and enslaved and raped all of their women.

            There’s no way you can downplay what an evil scumbag he was!

            If I was religious, I would consider him the anti-Christ, because everything he called “good” was EVIL and everything he called “evil” is good!

            How could he ban MUSIC, of all things? Figurative art? Or playing chess? And dogs… who is so sick as to hate dogs? Wonderful animals, which helped homo sapiens to survive for over 40’000 years!

            But he thinks it’s ok to mutilate people for THEFT, a totally minor crime, which can be compensated through restitution, but for murder, you just pay damages to the family of the victim. And if you can’t pay, you say a few prayers and you’re good.

            And women can be beaten up and used sexually, whether they consent or not (“go into your field whenever you please”). Not to mention the abuse of small children…

            EVERYTHING about his values is SICK and PERVERTED.

  • Dwain Cearley Sr.

    When you all stop strapping bombs on to children or teaching them or stop beheading other than your own. Killing people because we don’t believe in Islam. Well Sarah alazawi and your religion of peace do me a favor get the hell out of my country

    • andrew_owens

      I think you have me and over a billion people confused with somebody else. I don’t blame you for Catholic pedophilia or make you apologize for the Norway mass murderer. Why do you make me responsible for things I don’t approve of and have no part of?

      • prolibertate

        Jesus didn’t rape little children, did he? So Catholics can’t use his example as justification for pedophilia.

        But Mohammed raped Aisha when she was 9 and thus established a precedent on which build the laws of numerous Muslim countries!

        So you are AGAIN comparing something that is immediately rejected by ALL Catholics (or Christians in general), something that even the perpetrators knew was wrong, against an ideology that JUSTIFIES pedophilia, slavery and rape!

        • andrew_owens

          By your definition of rape, it would seem that the Biblical descriptions of Abraham and Moses make them also rapists and accessories to rape.

          “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man” (“Numbers 31:17-18…”).

          – Moses

          Jesus himself revered the laws of Moses.

          “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

          – Jesus

  • Wuvixx

    Oh no shit this happened and it’ll always happen. I remember when muslims destroyed an embassy for the creation of a movie where someone portrayed the role of Mohammed and made some idiotic stuff I’m not sure though I know made fun of Mohammed in general. The movie was shitty anyway and did not make any profit UNTIL muslims decided to destroy a whole embassy for this movie. I was really excited to watch this movie. Funny how stupid silly things can be made popular and famous from oppositionists. Look, here it’s coming. If you like a video, watch it. If you don’t like a video, don’t watch it. As simple as that. We’ve had million of inflammatory muslim movies that were strictly harsh on Christianity beliefs as well, but you know what… We did not go around destroying embassies. But yeah, you can say everyone has got his temper.

    • Cessnaman

      Actually, I hope you don’t mean the consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Because that had nothing to do with a video. The White House lied about that for 14 days because there was an election coming. The U.S. Embassy in Egypt was protested but there was no serious damage.

      • andrew_owens

        Not only the White House, but our entire media lied about it. Newsweek ran the story as a cover story with the headline, Muslim Rage. That is the same term that the Nazis used to characterize the Jews, as irrational, angry subhumans.

        • prolibertate

          Except that for Muslims, it’s true – not for Benghazi, but they DID burn down several Embassies and killed over 100 people because of a few stupid cartoons.


          • andrew_owens

            Most of those killed were killed by over zealous police, not by the demonstrators. Fact. For example, police in Libya fired live ammunition into stone throwing crowds outside the embassy, killing 11 people.


            In addition, it should be noted that there were many peaceful protests involving thousands of Muslims that lead to no violence whatsoever.

          • prolibertate

            “Most of those killed were killed by over zealous police”

            You mean police that tried to STOP that braindamaged mob that was rioting over CARTOONS – let that sink in: over CARTOONS! – from BURNING DOWN EMBASSIES?

            Because it were those mobs that burned down embassies, NOT the police!

            And I don’t know what you were thinking of – I’m talking about the more than 100 Christians who were MURDERED in Africa by rampaging Muslim mobs because of cartoons.

            One Pakistani student of medicine (!) told me on Orkut that he’d want to attack Denmark with “ABC Weapons”. A future doctor thinks that cartoons justify attacking another country with weapons of mass destruction!

            That’s the kind of madness you get from Muslims.

            “it should be noted that there were many peaceful protests involving thousands of Muslims that lead to no violence whatsoever”

            Wait, you’re justifying ANY kind of “demonstration” over cartoons?

            It’s RETARDED to demonstrate over cartoons you don’t like, PERIOD

          • diversity

            stupid cartoons? American christians dont want to serve gay or lesbian people i think you can say the exact same thing here

          • prolibertate

            CARTOONS !!! They demonstrated against CARTOONS!!!

            How RETARDED do you have to be to get worked up over cartoons???

            “American christians dont want to serve gay or lesbian people”

            ONE American Christian, at this point. He says he doesn’t want to bake a cake for a gay couple.

            His loss, but also his right. There’s nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian. But Muslims have the same problem, so that doesn’t really help them, does it?

            “i think you can say the exact same thing here”

            ABSURD !!!

            You are equating a person exercising HIS PERSONAL RIGHT not to serve someone he doesn’t like – for whatever reason – with COMMITTING VIOLENT CRIMES, including MURDER and ARSON?

            You have no understanding for moral concepts whatsoever.

          • diversity

            They demonstrated against something that is their right. how retarded do you have to be to think that somebody can be the son of god and walk over water for example? Get worked over the proposal for churches to pay taxes and hereby serve the public ( which is one of their principles)

            If you have a business you are committed to serve the public, the whole public in its multicultural diversity. and there are actulally five lawsuits filed currently with many more that didnt get reported to the police.

            who is commiting violent crimes?

          • prolibertate

            “They demonstrated against something that is their right”

            Oh they can show that they are retards any day of the week, but they do NOT have the right to:
            – use violence
            – threaten violence
            – attack property
            – commit ACTS OF WAR; attacking an Embassy IS an act of war

            “how retarded do you have to be to think that somebody can be the son of god and walk over water for example?”

            Yep, that’s totally retarded, like talking snakes and virgin births. Just like the Muslims, who believe in angels, Jinns and that Mohammed rode to the moon on a donkey.

            But you seem to excuse the one and attack the other. And while believing in the former is stupid, Christians never threatened me or tried to impose their “truth” on everyone. I don’t care about what happened in previous centuries, I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. I’ve received HUNDREDS of death threats from Muslims, simply because I point out that THEIR scriptures say that their “prophet” was a pedophile.

            “Get worked over the proposal for churches to pay taxes”

            I don’t – you can opt out. You just uncheck the corresponding field. BUT Muslims get financed from general taxes!!!

            “If you have a business you are committed to serve the public, the whole public”

            No, that’s a misconception.

            “in its multicultural diversity”

            Most certainly NOT! I would never serve a Nazi, a Communist or anyone making a point of being annoying about their religion, if I owned a shop. That’s a fundamental RIGHT.

            I once talked with a black woman who was upset about some guy who had refused to serve black guys in his shop. I asked her: “So if you owned a shop and this guy came in as a client, would you serve him?” – “I would drive him out with a kitchen knife” – “Yet you demand a law that would FORCE you to serve him. I prefer the rule that everyone accepts or rejects anyone they want. Not offering service is a right. It’s not an act of aggression. Getting service is not.”

            Those gays and lesbians who attack this baker for “discrimination” should watch out – people angered by THEIR behavior may start filling their places of business and they will find themselves serving people they don’t like.

            This rule makes society hell for everyone. My rule creates peace. You AVOID people you don’t like!

            In fact, I’d WANT to know who doesn’t like me, so that I definitely do NOT help them to earn a profit on doing business with me!!!

            Muslims, mostly, even here in Switzerland – 9 times out of 10 a violent is committed, it’s a Muslim. And they are just 4% of the population.

          • diversity

            Oh ein Scheizer … was mischst du dich in Amerikanische poltik ein du holzkopf? du verstehst die simpelsten prinzipien der gesellschaft nicht

            If you have a business you are committet to sere the whole public. and a shop who refuses to serve black people should be boycotted. Christians never threatened you and shove their believes down your throat? you clearly do not live in the US. The prophet (peace may be upon him) was certainly not a pedophile. Aisha ( peace may be upon her) married him and the prohet (peace may be upon him)(peace may be upon him) saved her from marrying some gruesome man.

            Muslims dont get financed from anybody.

            It is nowhere stateed that it is your right to not serve certain people. You have the right to get service actually. Not offering service is discrimination

            Gays and lesbians didnt attack the baker, people of every sexuality protested.

          • prolibertate

            “Oh ein Scheizer”

            If you don’t know how to spell, don’t try: It’s “SCHWEIZER”.

            “was mischst du dich in Amerikanische poltik ein du holzkopf?”

            Muslims are so adorable and endearing, when they try to insult people who disagree with them. That was one of the first things I noticed. You’re just number 678 or so in a long string of Muslim retards who promote Islam through insults. Good move!

            I occasionally meet Muslims who chide morons like you, telling them that this reflects badly on Islam and they are right. Unfortunately, they are a tiny minority.

            “du verstehst die simpelsten prinzipien der gesellschaft nicht”

            Clearly, I understand infinitely more than you – just as my English, French, Italian and even Russian are superior to your German 😀

            “If you have a business you are committet to sere the whole public. and a shop who refuses to serve black people should be boycotted”

            That’s a fascist point of view which is responsible for much of the racism, which keeps spreading.

            Again, it doesn’t matter if you agree with the reason to reject a transaction. I disagree with both, people who hate blacks and people who hate homosexuals. But I think they should be allowed to live according to their own values. And I really, really don’t get why someone would want to do business with someone who hates them.

            “Christians never threatened you and shove their believes down your throat?”

            No, never! And I’ve lived my whole life surrounded by Christians.

            “you clearly do not live in the US”

            I have lived and worked in the US. I have very Christian American friends. Including very Christian, conservative Black friends. They know that I’m Atheist. They still respect me.

            “The prophet (piss be upon him) was certainly not a pedophile”

            YES, HE WAS, cf. the verses I posted! No Muslim ever denied this, given that SHARIA-conform legislation allows men to marry child-brides in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran and Afghanistan – the most fundamentalist countries!

            “Aisha (poor rape victim) married him”

            Are you nuts? She was 6 !!! She could not “marry” anyone, she didn’t even have a concept of what “marriage” implies! A child cannot give consent.

            “the prohet… saved her from marrying some gruesome man”

            I cannot imagine more gruesome than Mohammed himself! And he RAPED her when she was 9 !!!

            “Muslims dont get financed from anybody”

            Oh except for all that UNEARNED oil money! Muslims never found out what to do with oil. To them, it was waste. Now they collect billions every year just for sitting next to oil wells. Saudi Arabia collects $300 billion every year, yet most of their people are POOR and unemployed. They deposit a total of … 17 patents per year.

            Point of reference: Switzerland and Israel each deposit about 17’000 patents per year, with 6 and 8 million inhabitants!

            “It is nowhere stateed that it is your right to not serve certain people”

            Yes, that’s IMPLICIT in the constitution!

            To FORCE someone to provide service is SLAVERY.

            “You have the right to get service actually”

            No, you don’t! You have the right to ASK for service and offer a TRADE. The other person is always free to accept or reject your offer.

            In my business, that’s fortunately never a problem. No one can force you to provide IT development 😛

            “Not offering service is discrimination”

            We ALL discriminate, all our lives. You discriminate on what you put in your mouth. You discriminate whom you take for friend. Incidentally, as Muslim, you’re not allowed to take non-Muslims for friends – that’s DISCRIMINATION!

            And how about the prohibition for Muslims against marrying non-Muslims? DISCRIMINATION!

            “Gays and lesbians didnt attack the baker”

            They prosecute him, they want him jailed and bankrupted. Why not just go to another baker?

            The mindset of those people is SICK! He was NOT the only baker who could provide a wedding cake!

            What if those who prosecute him suddenly find themselves having to serve fundamental Christians? Will they enjoy that?

  • andrew_owens

    Look, you and your friend have a right to your opinions. I only have a problem when those opinions are used not to prevent radicals but to persecute innocent people who haven’t committed any crime and don’t intend to. Hate Islam all you want, but understand that it works for 1/5 of the world’s population. It has improved my relations with my Christian family and it has led me to learn more about other religions than I knew before. I will also mention that lies and rewriting of history such as you present are some of the very reasons that I came to investigate Islam. After being told growing up that I would have my head cut off by the first Muslim I meet or that they were all hateful, violent, irrational people, I encountered actual Muslims that were the opposite of that, and came to see what the Quran had done to affect their lives in positive ways. Go ahead on with your rants. You are limited to that.

    • prolibertate

      “understand that it works for 1/5 of the world’s population”

      Clearly, it is NOT!

      ALL Muslim countries are autocratic, most Muslims live in abject poverty. The few exceptions are mostly due to oil money, which is unearned.

      In Malaysia, the productive populations are Indian and Chinese, with the local Muslim population mostly living parasitically on other people’s businesses, as companies are forced to have at least one local on the board, who has to be paid off.

      Islam is EXTREMELY intolerant. Iran just executed a 32 year old, popular poet by hanging, after torturing him for 2 years. Why? Because he complained about the oppressive, limiting nature of Islam.

      Indonesia is prosecuting a young man who wrote on his FB profile that he was atheist.

      Saudi Arabia might execute another poet, who had written a poem critical of Mohammed’s claim to perfection.


      Why are Muslims always so problematic and never adapt, contrary to all other cultures?

      There are 50’000 Tibetans in Switzerland. The largest population outside the Himalaya region. Hardly anyone is aware of that, because no one ever notices their presence. They are not making a fuzz.

      But Muslims ALWAYS do their best to make sure we notice them. They ALWAYS do their best to set themselves against everyone else.

      And why are ex-Muslims the STRONGEST opponents of Islam?

      • andrew_owens

        There are millions of Muslims living in the US. Some thousands serve honorably in our military and some have given their lives fighting terrorism or indeed lost them during attacks. Some refugees are here because they endangered their entire families in order to be informants or translators. If ex-Muslims are the strongest opponents, its because they’ve had unfortunate lives. They are intent on punishing all Muslims for what they personally experienced. I occasionally run into the other side of that coin, people who have come to Islam because of a bad experience. I wouldn’t either make a hero of them or put a lot of stock in what they have to say. Their experience is just that, their experience.

        • prolibertate

          Whether Muslims cause problems or not depends on their numbers. As long as they are under 3%, you won’t notice them – and that’s still the case for most of the US. But go have a look at places where there are many Muslims …

          • diversity

            that is nonsense

        • liveevil


          • andrew_owens

            Wow, for an atheist, you’ve got some seriously religious symbolism there. I’m beginning to suspect you aren’t. On the bright side, you got the Satanic vote.

      • andrew_owens

        There are 50’000 Tibetans in Switzerland.
        That’s less than 1/8h the number of Muslims there. Enough to fill a very small town. To be fair, the Muslim population of Switzerland is increasing rapidly. How about that Daniel Streich? What do you make of that story?

        • prolibertate

          There are about 4% Muslims in Switzerland, but 90% of them are paper-Muslims: Kosovars who do not give a flying shit about religion. They eat pork and drink alcohol.

          Only recent immigrants from the Middle East and Africa cause serious problems with their religion.

          They do have a very high crime rate: for Geneva (cf. prison report Champ Dollon) about 55% of all prisoners are Muslims, i.e. at 12x their population share. about 21% are Catholic (mostly Italy, Spain, Portugal and Latin America), 18% are Orthodox (Balkans, Russia, Georgia etc.) and 2% are Protestant, still 60% of the population, so 30x under their share of the population. Jews and Buddhists are not even mentioned.

          In other words, Muslims are 360x more likely to be criminal than Swiss Protestants…

          And if the small time criminals, who no longer go to prison (because they are at 200% capacity now), the ratio would be even worse, because 99% of those are also Muslims, well known to the police, who arrest them over and over, but have to let them go again.

          • andrew_owens

            Were I Swiss, I certainly would support deportation of criminal illegals. But America’s own experience is that often deportees end up back again. What conditions in those countries support and allow that sort of thing? Failing to consider both sides of the immigration equation leads to bandaid solutions.

        • prolibertate

          “the Muslim population of Switzerland is increasing rapidly”

          Nope, we’re just getting a lot of fake “asylum seekers”, most of which will have to leave the country when their procedure is over.

          The latest vote shows that Swiss people are fed up with those parasites.

          “How about that Daniel Streich”

          Never heard about him. Who is that supposed to be?

      • diversity

        christian countries were autocratic too most of the time and still are.

        People also get criticised when they dont want to believe that noah built an arc and so on dont be a hypocrite

  • Jamie Bezanson-Scharf

    Hmm, well if she zapped a guy wearing a cross or a jesus fish im not going to ask her to stop her video… 😛 then again, im a spiritualist not a devoutly religious anything…to each their own. Calm down people.

  • Pam Spangler

    is such another form of PC!! It sickens me! How about raising hell over
    the beheading of Christians!! How about raising hell about the rapes of
    innocent children!! Rape and beatings of women! Done by Muslims!! If
    you wish ANY respect than fight against the evil of the culture you
    claim!! Such BS!!!

    • andrew_owens

      I don’t lay claim to a culture. My culture is American. My ancestors for 10 generations are American. Last time I checked, there are women’s shelters and rape clinics in America because American women also get raped and beaten and murdered and not by Muslim men. For that matter, it isn’t any better for them knowing that their attackers aren’t Muslim. You make it sound as though it would be.

      • prolibertate

        There’s a HUGE difference between a culture where a woman who was raped is condemned for “prostitution” to lashes, prison or stoning or forced to marry her rapist and a culture where a woman who was raped can go to court and – without any risk to the woman – get the rapist convicted.

        Maybe you don’t quite get it: criminal behavior is universal, what is different is the attitude of society towards different forms of crime and under Islam, women get ZERO protection!

        The Quran requires “4 witnesses” for a man to be convicted of rape. And that means MALE witnesses, as women are “too feeble minded” and each woman’s testimony counts only for half of a man’s. So you’d need 8 female witnesses…

        You do realize that the Quran says that it is “ok” for a man to beat his wife (and he can have up to 4 wives – but obviously, a woman cannot have 4 husbands) and that he can have sex with her any time HE wants, whether she agrees or not.

        Stop your pathetic defense of Islam. It’s the totally sick product of the mind of a madman.


        As a little reminder, the story of Aisha, the victim of the pedophile Mohammed – always remember that “the best man ever” for Muslims is a pedophile:

        From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234
        “Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.”
        Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
        “Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).””
        From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309
        Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….
        From the hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116
        “Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.” (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”
        From “The History of Tabari”, volume 9, page 131
        “Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me”…(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died.

        Muhammad sent his adopted son, Zayd bin Haritha, on a raid against a tribe that wanted nothing to do with Islam. They resisted the first attempt to force them into the Muslim fold, and so Muhammad sent Zayd back, where he was successful in killing the men and capturing the women as they were attempting to flee with their children:
        “…and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children [escaping in the distance]. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along” (Sahin Muslim 4345)
        The captured women included Umm Qirfa:
        She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter [and another] were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two). (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)
        The old woman’s daughter was brought back to Mecca along with the other prisoners, where she was awarded to her captor as a “prize.” This was before Muhammad noticed her:
        I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)

        • andrew_owens

          Four witnesses are not required for rape. Four witnesses are required for adultery. Here is the hadith regarding rape, wherein a man was sentenced to be stoned on the word of the woman.

          Narrated Wa’il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.
          – Abu Dawud 4366

          • prolibertate

            “I am the man who did it to her”

            So he CONFESSED. It doesn’t say that her testimony as VICTIM was sufficient.

            “for Allah has forgiven you”

            Allah has “forgiven” the VICTIM ???

            Right there, you see the incredibly SICK mind of this madman Mohammed! He assumes that women are somehow “guilty” for the mere fact of being women.

            “He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented
            similarly, it would have been accepted from them”

            Not enough to not be killed, apparently.

            And what exactly did the people of Medina do? Right: they offered Mohammed Asylum!

            Evil, evil people of Medina….

          • liveevil


  • Beau Jeste

    Such sensitive poor loves…

  • jrd

    Yet a movie like Thor goes unnoticed when someone equates a man as god. WHATEVA!

    • prolibertate

      Actually, in the movie, Thor is not a god, just an extraterrestrial 😉

  • Only one issue — the “campy Egyptian Queen” is wearing a Christian cross in the image above. If she’d remained Isis or Cleopatra, with their historical symbols, they’d have no argument. Instead, she’s flagrantly pitting one imaginary fairy troop (post-Paul Christianity, which became Catholicism) against another (pre-Paul Christianity, which became the Ebionites, and then Islam), and we see how well that’s going in Africa right now, spilling across borders.
    If all of the extremist nut jobs would just relocate to Mars and kill each other off, I’m all for it, but sadly, they dip their hands into our budgets and our laws, and affect the ability of the rest of us to live peacefully and try to keep this planet from becoming a cesspool on its way to Armageddon by self-fulfilling prophesy.

  • VTMAN7

    Forget the purpose of this article… why would anyone want to stand with Perry over anything on such an absurd video? I guess pickins are slim for the humanists.

    • prolibertate

      Ah, let me remind you of that German man who said: “When the Nazis went after the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a Jew. When they went after the Homosexuals, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a homosexual and when they went after the entrepreneurs, I said nothing, because I wasn’t entrepreneur. When they came after me, there was no one left to stand up against them”.

      You have to defend the freedom of speech even when you do NOT agree with the person whom you defend!

      And when Muslims go after someone, you practically HAVE to defend that person, because Muslims want to wipe out our culture entirely and replace it with the sickness you find in the Quran.

  • Michelle Yeack Brantley Johnso

    she is also wearing a Cross. This is all Satanic. SHe can do as she chooses, she hasnt beheaded anyone.