Meeting Jesus at a Mosque (Days 15-21 of Quitting the Bible)

Meeting Jesus at a Mosque (Days 15-21 of Quitting the Bible) July 24, 2018

Whelp, last week, I ended up being the only Christian hanging out at a Muslim cookout. God moves in mysterious ways.  I felt like I shed another layer of religiousness because there is much fear in some Christian churches about anything related to Islam.

Contrary to particular teachings, I believe Christians can have the love of Christ dwelling richly in them, explore different religious perspectives, and connect with people of different faiths without it devolving into another grand concern about the precarious state of our souls.

Christ did not evaporate from my life because I read the Koran or visited a mosque and vice versa. He did not leave me when I watched Star Wars or Black Panther, either. And, last I checked Wakanda and the Luke Skywalker are not in the Bible.  Sometimes, I think we need to hand out chill pills with the communion wafers.

I’m not just saying. I’m saying.

A Book and Brunch

It started with a brunch and revisiting the Koran.

I had not read the Koran in years. Since I had a void in religious textual studies (an intentionally vague description of my year-long pause of Bible study), I figured I would add in the Koran with other books. I wanted to explore Christ through and concerning the Koran and Islam.

Earlier in the week, after a meeting, I decided to have brunch on my own and read at one of my favorite spots.

As I waited for my meal, I saw a party of seven women of Middle Eastern descent dining together. Because all except one wore a hijab, I determined that most, if not all, were Muslim.

I felt compelled to approach them and inquire about their mosque.

Then the inner conversation ramped up in my mind:

“What will you say?”

“What if they are visiting from out of town and don’t know.”

“How can you ask without sounding like an ignorant islamaphobe?”

I chose to go for it.

I approached the table, introduced myself, kindly requested a pardon for interrupting, and asked if any of them lived in the area, noting my interest in visiting the mosque.

One of the women, Anoud, immediately took an interest in my inquiry. She invited me to sit down.

The other women looked at me as if I carried the plague. The one who sat on the other side of me tried to catch herself before I noticed, but it was too late. I saw her eyes widen in horror before flashing a fake smile.

As I spoke with Anoud, another woman across the table chimed in. The woman without the hijab kept looking at me as if gale-force winds blew in rubble to the table. Another one’s countenance gave way to haughty looks in my direction.

Anoud seemed oblivious to the dynamic. She had enthusiastic warmth and invited me to stay and join them for lunch, to which I declined. Primarily, I really wanted to dine in solitude, and secondarily, I wanted to respect their gathering. Sometimes you want to get together with friends, and the gaze of a stranger can disrupt an otherwise intimate and open conversation.

All week I could not shake something about Anoud. When she looked into my eyes, it was different than the other women. Her countenance and vibe radiated sincerity.

She was not like the rest of the women, and I recalled how Jesus would have these encounters, where someone would move Him.

I felt Christ’s love in Anoud. Anoud did not care if I was not light skinnedededed Middle Eastern like everyone at the table. Her spirituality went beyond her cultural messages. She possessed the spirit of the charity. I saw the love of Christ in action. I saw the Good Shepherd who would leave the flock of sheep to go rescue the one.

To Anoud, the one mattered.

Just like Christians are walking Bibles, Muslims are walking Korans. Our religious lifestyle can push people away from God or draw them closer.

That is, religion can puff anyone up with pride and, couple it with the belief that one’s race, nationality, origin, or skin color is better, it can create disconnects with each other and from embodying and expressing God’s love.

I returned to my table to read, and two military men were seated at a table next to mine. On one side were women who represented a group that groups in the U.S. automatically deem threatening, while on the other side, sat people often considered heroes to protect us from them.

None of us had a place at the same table. All of us had our own tables in the same restaurant. I noted the subtle symbolism.

To the Mosque

Several days later, I decided to visit the mosque recommended by Anoud to attend a class designed for newbies. I wanted to comprehend more about God from a Muslim perspective, connect with those of a different faith than mine, and explore Christ in all of it.

I had no hidden agenda to evangelize or dispute their teachings. I imagined how disrespectful it would be if a Muslim showed up at a church only to argue or try to convince Christians about the wrongness of their faith. I suspended my judgments about religion because I sought to listen, to ask questions, and to understand.

From my experience in dealing with church folk visiting Christian denominations, showing up as I am could be walking onto a Holy Ghost landmine because  I needed to come correct with my attire before coming to church. One church might think I am possessed for wearing lipstick and pants, while another one might pin a doily to my head because I entered without my head covered.

Therefore, drawing from what I knew, read, and observed from Muslim acquaintances, I surveyed my closet for the longest dress I could find. I had one that I thought fit the bill.

It was neither form-fitting or flattering, especially since I had lost weight since I last wore it.

It definitely was not a clubbing outfit.

It looked like a BBD (big black dress) instead of the essential LBD (little black dress) often raved by fashion mags.

Because my dress did not cover my ankles, I decided to wear black leggings underneath.

As for my hijab, I rigged something together with my longest summer scarf and a headband. After a quick online tutorial courtesy of the interwebz, I thought I had done the darn thang like my name was Khadijah MacGyver.

However, on my way to the mosque, I realized I had made a mistake. I looked at my arms, extended to the steering wheel, and gasped.

My dress had three-quarter length sleeves. “Great,” I thought, “Now I am showing up like an infidel floozie.” I decided to take my chance, hoping grace will be bestowed for my rookie blunder.

I arrived at this massive complex with only two cars in the parking lot.

I had no idea which door and building to enter. I saw a sign that had the word “education” in the title. I began with this building and roamed around the quiet structure.

Just like I had learned from the movies, I asked aloud, “Hello? Is anyone here?”

I walked farther, and I heard something from a room. I went to the room and saw a man arranging desks.

With a big smile, he confirmed that I was in the right place.

As we talked, I felt relieved that I could participate as a Christian.

Then, another teacher arrived.

Although both teachers encouraged questions,  I informed them, “I have gotten into trouble with religious people by asking questions.”

“No. No. No,” One of the teachers insisted, while the other one shook his head in agreement, saying,

“We want you to ask questions. Ask lots of questions.”

“Okay,” I replied, completely aware of the skepticism expressed by my face.

I decided that I would ease into some of my questions and wait on the heavier ones.

As other students began to trickle in and the rest of the instructors arrived, I admired the diverse mix of people from Middle Eastern, European, African, and Asian descent.

I learned much in the session, and the teachers really welcomed questions even after the instruction.  My gears were turning more as I thought about Islam and the love of Christ, reflecting on the common threads, opposing views, and the influence of cultural norms.

Christ at the Cookout

I accepted an invitation to the class cookout after prayer.

Most of the conversations went beyond superficial chit-chat. Different people kept encouraging me to call and text about questions. It began sinking in that they were quite serious about my questioning (I am still trying to remember if I had ever attended a church cookout where I was actively encouraged to question.).

Furthermore, I sensed my agitation, at times, at what I perceived as a clear patriarchal structure at the mosque and the cookout, and I used it to invite curiosity to find out more instead of casting judgment. I allowed myself to keep looking for Christ in my experiences.

I experienced Christ, as we ate, laughed, and talked about the ups and downs of life. There is something divine about sharing our world over a meal together.

Also, I experienced Christ as I marveled at people who really wanted to know God and to live in loving community with others.

When someone shared about how on a hot day, massive protestors stood outside the mosque, holding up signs, shouting for them to leave, and they responded by setting tables with food and popsicles for them, I reflected on Christ’s forgiveness.

One of the teachers approached and advised, that in my seeking, to pray to God to ask to be directed along the right path, concluding, “That is it. It is about a relationship.”

It is about a relationship with God, and yet I notice that something gets in the way of our contact with each other, besides the physical barriers of our temples, mosques, and church buildings.

My experience raises more questions about how our beliefs about and interpretations of God-inspired religious texts potentially impinge on connecting with people of different faiths. Love unites and fear disconnects.

Three Points of Wisdom From Days 15-21

  1. Relationship has a way of disrupting your media-informed and self-righteous perspectives.
  2. Religion can cloud your vision from enjoying the beauty of people longing to know and please God.
  3. It is okay to set aside your Christian know-it-all cap. You can connect more with people when you earnestly listen and seek to know them.
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  • Rudy Schellekens

    I appreciate your curiosity, and willingness to listen to others. This is something my Dad has taught me as long as I can remember. My reading list includes few books written by people from my own religious background. Having grown up in a country where Islam has been a part of the landscape for decades, as well as Hinduism, Buddhism etc.(Toss in a hare Krishna, Scientologist and such, apart from the standard Catholics and Protestants) my eyes/mind/heart were never shut off. I had both a Hindu and Muslim brother-in-law, a Sikh friend while in grade school with some Gypsy buddies, too.
    Where I would differ in conclusion from you is the “seeing of Christ” in them, It reminds me of Gentiles who lived as if they had the law – commendable, but still lacking. Or a rich young man, keeping the commandments, but glued to his wealth. In the end, those who do not believe in Jesus ARE indeed lost. And the fact that we have friendships with people from here, there and everywhere in the religious landscape, should gives us strong motivation to share that message of redemption – in appropriate ways and at appropriate times…

  • The Mouse Avenger

    Contrary to particular teachings, I believe Christians can have the love of Christ dwelling richly in them, explore different religious perspectives, and connect with people of different faiths without it devolving into another grand concern about the precarious state of our souls.

    Christ did not evaporate from my life because I read the Koran or visited a mosque and vice versa. He did not leave me when I watched Star Wars or Black Panther, either. And, last I checked Wakanda and the Luke Skywalker are not in the Bible. Sometimes, I think we need to hand out chill pills with the communion wafers.

    To put it in the simplest of terms, you took the words right out of my mouth! (nods her head firmly in agreement)

  • I’ve met plenty of people who “believe in Jesus” in whom I see no evidence of Christ.
    I would personally much rather spend time with people who exemplify Christ regardless of their beliefs.

  • Tom

    “Contrary to particular teachings, I believe Christians can have the love of Christ dwelling richly in them, explore different religious perspectives, and connect with people of different faiths without it devolving into another grand concern about the precarious state of our souls.”, – can I put this on a t-shirt ?

  • @RaceandGrace

    Let the Church say, “Amen!”

  • @RaceandGrace


  • @RaceandGrace

    Thanks for sharing from your perspective, Rudy.

  • Such a good article. This is the way it should be, loving and accepting people no matter who they are or what they believe. Sharing together in meaningful fellowship and allowing the love of God to flow is so much better than sitting in an organized service, listening to one person talk and holding all the fears and prejudices that only separate. Thanks for posting this interesting article.

  • This is a beautiful story indeed! I have Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and atheist followers on Twitter.

    There was one time I was in a Chipotle’s, and there were some guys in front of me speaking a foreign language that I guessed was Arabic (and which I had recently started learning). The one guy looked in my direction, and I said, “Hi”, and asked which language they were speaking. When one of them said “Arabic”, I introduced myself in Arabic. They ended up paying for my meal.

    I have the following tweet quoting Malcolm X pinned to my Twitter bio:

    A Muslim asked me why I find the quote so meaningful, since I’m a Christian. I explained I grew up in a very insular church that was highly parochial, had a strong us-vs-them mentality, anti-Muslim bigotry, etc. I had long questioned those ideas, and wanted more. Thus, the quote symbolizes a rejection of all those ideas and an acceptance of a more open worldview.

  • Sandra Urgo

    I actually sat down and prayed in a mosque a few years ago while visiting in Macedonia. Only one woman was there. I had again read some anti Muslim vitriol on facebook, and just felt a need to pray for peace between Christians and Muslims for a few minutes. No Christian churches nearby, and this place was quiet and peaceful. What do you readers think of that? Would I be considered an infidel even tho I was praying to the same historical God? I felt better after I left.

  • @RaceandGrace

    Thank you for your beautiful story, too, Kevin! Amen.

  • @RaceandGrace

    Talk about it. Love loosens the grip of control- I can go on a soapbox about the fears and prejudices. By the way, you’re welcome.

  • @RaceandGrace

    What a powerful moment and question, Sandra. Thank you.

  • Widuran

    Christianity and Islam are completely incompatible.

    Surah 3: 67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Chris-tian, but he was a Monotheist, a Muslim. And he was not of the Polytheists.

    The Bible clearly says he started the Jewish people a Jew

    Surah 4: 157. And for their saying, “We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messen-ger of Allah.” In fact, they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them as if they did. Indeed, those who differ about him are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, except the following of as-sumptions. Certainly, they did not kill him.

    The Muslims believe he was not crucified.

  • Pennybird

    This is a nice article. Would that all of us could be equally open to believers of other traditions.

  • Widuran

    This is an example of why progressive “Christianity” is just a satan induced religion.

  • @RaceandGrace

    Thank you and Amen.

  • Ivlia Blackburn

    Which given the Bible teaches that he rose from the dead could indeed be interpreted as in the quotation above. Years ago my one of the leaders at my daughters Brownies group (young girl scouts?) genuinely believed that Christ was beamed up from the cross as in Star Trek, returned and then reclaimed. She practiced the beliefs and teachings of Christ and I would call her a true Christian, but her belief that he was from an alien culture and was reclaimed by them was deep and abiding. It is as true and likely as any other as well given it is his TEACHINGS that we should follow, actual slavish belief in the manner of his passing, or not, doesn’t abrogate us of this requirement. There are many, especially in the US, who claim to believe yet fail to practice the basic and simple teachings and who insist on practicing the rules of the Old Testament while ignoring the teachings of Christ which contradict them (won’t even go into differing practices caused by imperfect translations from the original Greek of which many are mentioned in other articles). By the easy, my friend is a lifelong commuted Catholic who will be entering a convent after she became widowed, her belief in the alien nature of Christ unaltered (though I suspect kept quiet about from her new sisters in the convent). The son of a friend, a Pakistani Muslim family, taught me that Muslims believe in Christ, accept him as the second to last great prophet, and believe his teachings are a vital part of the actions and beliefs of Islam (no idea of which branch of Islam he belongs to) and that regardless of whether you accept Christ was the Messiah or just a major prophet along with Elijah and Mohammed we are all believers in the same God/Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh and thus brothers/sisters in God.

  • Widuran

    You have no idea what you are talking about as the Quran lies about Jesus Christ and other Old Testament people. Read the Quran and you will see the Muslim definitely do not worship the same God

  • douglas kraeger

    I applaud you for looking for the good and trying to learn. I wish more would want to know. I would like you to consider asking Muslims you may encounter in the future if they agree that all should pray essentially as follows, and if their leaders would join publicly with ministers from other faiths to publicly encourage all believers to explicitly pray (as below) for God’s help to love as He loves, for the help to pray ever more perfectly and the help to want to know all the truths that God wants everyone to want to know?
    “Dear God because we can do no good without your mercy and grace, we cannot believe in you with a truly living faith and love as You love and thereby be people of good will, willing good for everyone, willing everyone to be holy, except by your mercy and grace. We cannot be thankful for all the good you have given us or be truly sorry for all sins and ask for your forgiveness; and we cannot build or maintain any of “our” good habits, or break any of our bad habits, and even if we have the correct, living faith, we cannot have reasonable hope, except by your grace and mercy, and therefore:
    1. Please God, in your infinite mercy, give us what we desperately need and cannot truly merit, a pure act of God whereby You deign to always give me, my family, friends, enemies, everyone the graces to love as You Love and thereby be people of good will who are truly thankful for the unmeritable gift without which we cannot please you, of being people who will good for all, and who are therefore eager to support all good enterprizes, willing good for everyone, willing them to be holy and eager to do all they can (voluntary sacrifices) by your grace, to help others choose, by your grace, to be holy and to love as You love, willing good for all, willing all to be holy and
    2. Please God, give everyone the graces needed to want to pray ever more perfectly and then the graces to always continue to pray ever more perfectly, and not to rely only on our own efforts to “rediscover the wheel concerning praying ever more perfectly” for ourselves, but rather, honestly investigate and test, retaining the good, test what others suggest on websites and on blogs as possible steps in the quest to pray ever more perfectly, and
    2a. Please God, give everyone the graces to have a truly living faith and therefore to want to know, believe and understand all the truths that You want everyone to want to know, believe and understand the way you want all to understand them and the graces to reject, based on verifiable evidence, sound reasoning and Your grace, to reject anything contrary to Your Truths.”
    Can any (Jewish, Christian, Muslim) minister or layperson, seriously claim that anyone has a right, living faith and is completely turned to do God’s will with their whole heart, mind, soul and strength if they consciously choose not to pray for God’s help (grace), for themselves and everyone, as above? If so, How?

  • Shirley Blake

    I love that you did this, are doing this.

  • douglas kraeger

    You say” Sometimes, I think we need to hand out chill pills with the communion wafers.”, In my opinion, faith (Catholic), the “Communion wafers” are the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, and if received worthily, with humility and a living faith, the result is ever increasing love for everyone. Not the romantic love of movies, but God’s true love, the real love of willing good for everyone, willing them to be good, to be holy by God’s grace and mercy; and willing to do everything we can by God’s grace to help everyone choose to be holy by God’s grace. I hope you seek out better Christian ministers (maybe even a rare good Catholic Priest) than you have apparently found in the past. God’s peace to you in the Name of Jesus.

  • summers-lad

    Blessed are the peacemakers.

  • St JD George

    God wrote His laws on all our hearts, and He sent His only Son, begotten of our Holy Mother, to forgive us of our sins and deliver a new covenant. When questioned He said which are the two greatest commandments. As soon to be saint Abp Fulton Sheen said, we must pray to Her for the conversion of all lost souls to Her Son, and reminded that there is a special reason She chose to appear 100 years ago in the tiny backwater town of Fatima, named for the daughter of this man they revere. However, he was an absolute tyrant who hated Jews and Christians, killed all that he could and those he couldn’t he captured and made slaves and made them pay a tax allowing to live as third class people with no rights. Most who are peaceful are ignorant of his period in Medina where he became a petty and vengeful man. The true God of all can and does work in mysterious ways when we let Him, and when we listen to what He wrote on our hearts. God bless you for your encounter, and may God guide you to help them in future encounters. Before then reach out to Dr Derya Little and let her help you too, a woman who knows from experience the power of the Holy Spirit who escaped the brutality of those who do try to follow this very miserable man who over thirteen centuries is responsible for the death of more than any other.

  • mike malzahn

    so what did you think of the koran?

  • biblebill

    That just it your not praying to the same God .

  • biblebill

    What one believes is everything . Muslims want Sharia law to come to the states . That means cut of a persons hand if they steal etc . They want to change the culture everything . Religion is a big part of a nations idenity . You mingle with them to change them or get them out of Islam because it’s an oppressive religion any other reason is dangerous they will influence you to accept their religion .

  • biblebill

    Tom , your deceiving yourself . Islam is a terrible religion they all want Sharia law to come to the US . Cut of the hand if your caught stealing etc .Most Muslims I approach to just talk get real angry like 75% . The religion makes the heart hard because it’s oppressive to follow . You have to pray 5x a day fast a whole month every spring etc . They want to come over here and get rid of all our customs and replace with Islamic customs ways . Wake up .

  • biblebill

    Right on . You talk or mingle with Muslims to change them to Christ to get them out of Islam which is oppressive and makes the heart hard because of all the rules etc like praying 5x a day fasting for a whole month . Most Muslims I approach are hard hearted /

  • Tom

    So sorry you feel that way, biblebill. Truly.

  • Sandra Urgo

    Some Christians want their sharia laws here too. Forcing women to give birth, not allowing birth control etc.

  • Sandra Urgo

    Yes, you are right, Muslims believe Jesus was indeed very special to God, in fact they feel that God as a loving father, could not or would not have his son put to death. They revere Mary also. His teachings are respected and followed by Muslims the world over.

  • Sandra Urgo

    I have a feeling you are not using a very effective approach with these people. And most people just don’t want to convert. They like their faith. How would you like someone pressuring you to believe in their religion? Some of the kindest people I’ve met (through my job) have been Muslims. Try just talking to them w/out converting.

  • Sandra Urgo

    Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the same historical God. Abraham fathered Ishmael through his servant and Isaac through Sarah. While Jews have rejected Jesus as messiah, Muslims revere him as God’s prophet. They also revere Mary. While having different theologies than Judaism, many of their practices are almost identical to Jewish traditions. I’ve read about Islam, watched some documentaries and listened to them describe their beliefs, so I have a better idea of their faith and customs than most Americans. They are not to be feared . We have learned to get along with Jews, Mormons and others, we can get along with Muslims. All faiths share the same moral views. Showing kindness, courage,
    Pursuing education, generosity and devotion are traits we all admire. These traits are all part of Islam as well.

  • Widuran

    Thanks for acknowledging the truth

  • biblebill

    Your welcome .

  • Sandra Urgo

    They cannot conceive the idea that a loving God could deliberately allow for his son to be put to death. Many Christians now put less emphasis on his death than on what his life and sermons taught us about how to live in harmony with God. And Muslims would agree with that.

  • Widuran

    Yes and this is wrong he died for our sins

  • Widuran

    Love yes but their faith still leads them to hellfire

  • Widuran

    It lies about what the Bible says

  • mike malzahn

    what lies? about the crucifixion?

  • Widuran


    Also lies about Abraham being a Jew and Joseph lusting after the Egyptian officials wife (Mohammad putting his own perversions on others)

  • Sandra Urgo

    No, it’s about being faithful to God and His teachings through Jesus

  • Widuran

    Which is Jesus died for our sins if we do not believe in him we are condemned already

    John 3:16-18

  • Sandra Urgo

    Please continue on to the following verse for context, and then read the rest of the gospels. You have alot to learn.

  • Widuran

    No you have a lot to learn if you keep ignoring Christ Jesus

  • Sandra Urgo

    Adios widuran

  • Widuran


  • biblebill

    You try to convert them because you feel for them . They are deceived being mislead if you care about them you say something Pr 24 : 11. As the old saying goes ” for evil to prevail is for good men to remain silent ” .

  • biblebill

    The bible does not say birth control is wrong .

  • Sandra Urgo

    No, nor does it say anything about abortion. But many extremely conservative Christians try to pull out verses to promote their view about this. There are proposals to have gov’t family planning programs only fund natural family planning, a Catholic form of birth control. And of course, for years, they have tried to outlaw abortion and now with Kavannaugh turning the supreme court to a hard right, their wish may come true. These are not good times for women who want reproductive freedom.

  • biblebill

    Sandra , it says in scripture thou shall not kill . How many married women have abortions ? There are all kinds of birth control methods no unmarried women has to get pregnant unless it’s planned and or wanted .

  • Sandra Urgo

    Of course it does-but in the real world there are some things that can go horribly wrong with a pregnancy. A woman deserves the right to consult with her doctor and make this difficult decision. Sometimes birth control fails. I am pro life but I don’t believe that we should force women to carry on with something that so changes their lives. Best to create an environment that encourages women to keep their pregnancy i.e. good healthcare for ALL women and their babies, paid maternity leave for All women, affordable housing, good schools -all things that repubs cut. Western Europe has low abortion rates because of these above policies. And their healthcare provides good family planning so unintended pregnancies are few.

  • biblebill

    Sandra , no women needs to get pregnant . Women get pregnant because they don’t use any birth control in most cases .Whats a pregnancy going bad have to do with women being irresponsible having unprotected sex which is the cause of most abortions .

  • EllenHar

    Financial reasons are what motivate most abortions. And don’t forget, access to and affordability of birth control is being continually diminished, putting women more at risk. (Access to and coverage of Viagra is just fine, by the way.) Be careful of accusing women of just being careless when the real problem is much deeper. We have proven that the number of abortions drops dramatically when women have access to affordable birth control, medical care, and education so if this is a concern of yours, work to increase access to those things.

  • biblebill

    ElleHar , Again , most women who get pregnant in unwantingly are not using any birth control method period .Women in the U.S have plenty of access to birth control what are you talking about .

  • Chari McCauley

    People forget that Sarah doubted The Father so she took it upon herself to have a son by surrogate. When Father kept His promise, Sarah sent Ishmael away. The Father promised Hagar that He would watch out for them. He also promised Abraham that he would be the father, the originator of great nations.

    Ishmael and Issac are blood brothers by Abraham. Why would The Father, as opposed to all the little jealous gods, want to see the two brothers united? And, why all the fear regarding an Abba, and Imma Who art in Heaven? Why is the female such a threat?

    It wasn’t The Father, nor His Son that put women in bondage, unless The Serpant was a woman?

  • Chari McCauley

    How so? There is only one Father?

    And, He is as individual as He made sure you are.

  • Chari McCauley

    But Bill, first you have to get the people who insist upon sexual favors, rape and incest under control,…the heart is where its all connected; and it has to be voluntary repentance, you really can’t fool Mother Nature’s chemistry. Did you know that scientists can tell if a tear is a happy or sad one?

  • Chari McCauley

    Basic situation many never, ever seek help for…..”what would the neighbors think?….bless your heart.

    So, you think the child should have the child a “trusted” authority left there? Or, is it the child that came from it to blame, so they live disabled?

  • Chari McCauley

    Oh, who told you that! Honestly…

    You don’t trust your god much, if you have to do his work for him.