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As Mennonite theologian Ched Myers notes, the mythology of Cain and Abel illustrate well what anthropology has been learning these last 70 years. Cain, the agriculturalist farmer slaughtered his more primitive brother, and then started building civilization. 8000 years now of cleansing the land by genocide and then making farms and cities.
“Original Sin” in the Genesis mythology is the story of the Neolithic revolution, or as Jared Diamond puts it, “the worst mistake in the history of the human race.”
Ched Myers (2005) The Fall. Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature. Edited by Bron Taylor. NY: Continuum.
“…we chose the latter [agriculture] and ended up with starvation, warfare, and tyranny.” ~Jared Diamond (May 1987) The Worst Mistake In The History Of The Human Race. Discover Magazine. pp. 64-66.
But doesn’t this just reflect Nye’s mistaken comment in the debate – that people started eating meat after the flood, rather than after the fall? While the Bible doesn’t state the change in diet explicitly, it’s assumed when God kills animals to provide clothing for Adam and Eve.
I’m certainly not a YEC, but we shouldn’t misrepresent what they believe. Nye should have been better informed, and we shouldn’t perpetuate his errors.
Actually, I think most young-earth creationists would say that animals became carnivores after the fall (Nye got that wrong, although the issue comes up of what the food was for the carnivores on the ark if not other animals, and so maybe YECs ought to say that they became carnivores after the flood). But they would say that humans were given permission to eat meat after the flood. And there is some Biblical basis for this, although it relies on an argument from silence regarding pre-flood eating habits.
I deleted my comments after I went to the AIG website and saw that my assumptions were wrong – but then they reappeared under “Guest.” God does give explicit permission to eat things other than green plants in Genesis 9 as part of the covenant with Noah.
But I agree about the argument from silence – we would have to assume that people continued with Adam and Eve’s edenic diet after the fall, even though they were killing animals for other purposes (and we can assume they knew how to use fire). To imagine that they were perfectly obedient to Adam and Eve’s dietary restrictions is a bit of a stretch, since we are told the people of Noah’s day were thoroughly wicked.
For the future, it is actually quite rude to delete comments after a conversation has taken place, except in very extreme circumstances. It leaves the rest of the conversation as tattered fragments that probably will make no sense on their own.
I deleted them moments after I posted them and assumed that they weren’t part of the conversation at all.
But thank you for the lesson in manners regardless.
“That BBQ smells good!”
OK, argument from silence, but pretty strong.
Man made in God’s likeness, olfactory connection to human eating of BBQ:
Gen 8:20-21 “And Noah builded an altar unto Jehovah, and took of every clean beast, and of every clean bird, and offered burnt-offerings on the altar. 21And Jehovah smelled the sweet savor; and Jehovah said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake…”
Thus God was/is a carnivore. Why else would Jehovah have “sweet smell” attached to burning flesh? “Sweet smell” of BBQ meat, “sweet” implies it is going to eventually hit your tongue. Where it goes after that is obvious. For me, words from men, not words from God.