Milwaukee is Under Siege by Liars for Jesus

Milwaukee is Under Siege by Liars for Jesus July 20, 2017

Winter is coming.

This week, the Freedom From Religion Foundation reported that FFRF is joining forces with Protect Our Children and Southeast Wisconsin Freethinkers to warn Milwaukee-area parents that Child Evangelism Fellowship, the organization responsible for predatory Good News Clubs, is beginning a two-week evangelism blitz in their communities and schools.

Each year, CEF chooses a new US city that they feel is just godless enough to need their “assistance” in poisoning the gullible minds of children by teaching them a fundamentalist view of the Bible — that everyone is a sinner, even for just thinking about sinning, and that “everything in the Bible is true because God never lies.” Say it with them and you’ll get some candy. Nope, not creepy at all.  CEF’s city-targeting program is called Good News Across America and has focused on Little Rock, Boston, Salt Lake, Minneapolis, Denver, Portland, Indianapolis, and Chicago (cleaned that one right up) in the past.  In order to accomplish these invasions, CEF partners with local fundamentalist churches, charges them a fee for training, and requires volunteers to sign their Statement of Faith that includes the following:

  • The Bible is inerrant
  • The Genesis creation story is true
  • The supreme mission of Christians is to preach the gospel to every creature
  • Jesus will return and you should be constantly looking for him
  • Those who aren’t saved will be thrown into a lake of fire and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.

They sound like a lot of fun at parties.

CEF’s goal in Milwaukee is to set up 5-day clubs similar to Good News Clubs, that are akin to a fundie boot camp for kids. In these clubs, according to FFRF, CEF focuses on sin and their belief that all children are sinners until saved by Jesus Christ. They shame and frighten kids by telling them their sinful ways make them undeserving of God’s love and eligible for eternal separation from everyone they love.  Imagine all of the things you hear from wackjob street preachers, reworded to a kid’s level, and put into songs and “fun” activities.

The biggest issue I take with CEF is that they’re liars.  You want to have a Bible camp for kids? Fine. You want to run an after-school Bible class, fuck you, but ok fine. But don’t lie about your intentions. Be transparent. Show us what you want to teach kids (if you want to see their curriculum you have to buy it, and it’s not cheap). And above all, don’t lie to parents. But that’s how they operate. They tell school officials and parents that they’re all about fun, games, prizes, and lessons from the Bible. Bullshit. They’re about spreading fundamentalism disguised as a “non-denominational” club, and they’re about scaring the shit out of little kids until they feel compelled to say a prayer of salvation one-on-one with a church volunteer and can be deemed “saved.”  CEF then reports that “victory” to their donors and sponsoring churches so they can get even more money to assist them with saving the world.  If half the parents who send their kids to CEF’s clubs even knew what happened there, the shit would hit the fan and this vile organization would get the exposure they deserve.  I’d love to see the day when CEF is forced to pay for the therapy that many of its attendees have to go through later in life to correct the guilt instilled in them by Good News Clubs.

FFRF is encouraging vigilance during this effort, asking people to “observe and document the activities of 5-Day Clubs that spring up in their community, so parents are not deceived about the clubs’ true nature and purpose.”

And by the way, FFRF is based in Wisconsin. Coincidence that Milwaukee was selected? I doubt it.

 

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  • igotbanned999

    The supreme mission of Christians is to preach the gospel to every creature

    Then they should start doing that. Get in scuba suits and preach to the sharks. Go to Snake Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilha_da_Queimada_Grande) and preach to the snakes. Crawl into a bullet ant colony and preach to them. Go to the Everglades and preach to the alligators. Just leave our kids alone.

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Or just go to Australia, where EVERYTHING is trying to kill you!! 😉

  • Cozmo the Magician

    They should all head to the PNW to convert the Sasquatch. Nobody has ever been able to share the ‘good news’ with a Big Foot. Imagine all the Jesus Juice Bonus Points that would be awarded to the first evangelist to bring our forest cousins to the Lord.

  • Jim Jones

    > Show us what you want to teach kids (if you want to see their curriculum you have to buy it, and it’s not cheap).

    Pity it isn’t on the “torrent network”.

    • Don’t think I haven’t checked.

      • Jim Jones

        It did some damage to Scientology when that happened to them.

  • MNb

    “punished with everlasting destruction”
    That’s a no brainer. I prefer everlasting destruction to eternal company of CEF pieces of shit.

    • Guthrum

      Let’s not get out of shape over this. Most likely few will wind up going to these vamps. I don’t see them being able to go into the schools with this in any form.

      • Kevin R. Cross

        Depends on the administration of the school. And while it would be illegal to be involved directly, by the time it got to court the events would be a fait acompli.

      • CEF’s Good News Clubs are already in over 5,000 public schools in the US. They won a SCOTUS case in 2001 that allows them in. Don’t underestimate the determination of this group.

        • allein

          And they purposely do it in schools right after classes end. I remember reading about one instance where they were offered a bigger space in a church across the street from a school for free and they turned it down. They don’t just want space for their clubs, they want to blur the lines between what they’re teaching and what the school is teaching to young kids who might not be able to tell the difference between what is taught at the school and what is being taught by the school.

      • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

        Underestimating them would allow them to form a 5th column undermining secular gov’t.

        That’s what they’re ALL about.

  • Excellently done.

    Isn’t it just sooooo weird that this religion relies so heavily on dishonesty to sell itself and why it always targets really vulnerable people for its hard-sales tactics?

  • Kendall Fields

    You are the only one lying here in this situation. I pray for you.

    • Duane Locsin

      You are the only one here fooling themselves. We will think for you.

      • Kendall Fields

        Sure. But you have to be ignorant in order to say there is no God.

        • Dangitbobby

          Which god?

          • Kendall Fields

            Who do you think? The one and only God whose Son died for our sins.

          • Bravo Sierra

            Thor died?

          • Kendall Fields

            Thor is a false god created by mankind as our ancestors descended into sin.

          • Bravo Sierra

            If your god is so powerful, why not let it defend and speak for itself?

            (Debating theology with some people is about as productive as participating in that old debate: Can Mighty Mouse beat up Superman?)

          • Kendall Fields

            If God showed himself in his full form than our bodies would be destroyed because of our sin.

          • LOL

          • Kendall Fields

            And why are you stating that?

          • The fact that an adult can’t see that’s such absolute nonsense is laughable to me.

          • Kendall Fields

            And how is it laughable? You could say the galaxy combining with another is nonsense.

          • Sorry you can’t see that your supernatural claims are outlandish and comical. To compare them to scientific discovery based on evidence and observation is ruining any credibility you might have had.

          • Kendall Fields

            No I think it destroys your claims. So are you going to do what you told me you would do. Also you say it is outlandish but again galaxies combining sounds outlandish and many scientists have debated and keep revising their statements no matter they say.

          • That’s the thing about science. Beliefs that are formed based on scientific discovery are updated when new evidence is discovered. It’s impossible to know everything, and scientists are constantly trying to find new evidence and update hypotheses. That’s how the scientific method works, and you’re using technology right now that was discovered and runs based on it. Unfortunately, when evidence is discovered that refutes religious belief, religious beliefs don’t change. The religious double down on their supernatural nonsense and continue believing in a book written by desert dwellers who didn’t know where the sun went at night.

          • Kendall Fields

            Yeah and look at the world scientists have brought us to. We may have removed strains of diseases but others come back with twice the force. And actually scientific answers have proved religious beliefs given the fact that we know most events in the Bible happened.

          • No, actually none of that is true. You should stop getting your science news from your pastor.

          • Kendall Fields

            Really then explain to me how diseases we supposedly have gotten rid of have suddenly come back sure we can somewhat deal with them but some are far more dangerous. Science has pretty much messed with the environment and given us newer ways to kill each other. Science has its upsides and downsides but even when we seem to get better in the world things worse. So given the fact that multiple wars and conflicts have popped up all over the world and newer diseases have been discovered with many of them mutating and with very few cures.

          • The fact you haven’t died yet from polio is a testament to scientific progress. I’m sorry, I just can’t anymore. You’re a fucking idiot. Go away. Get a fucking education that didn’t come from your pastor, creationist textbooks, or FoxNews and maybe you can come back for an intelligent conversation. Your willful ignorance is horrific.

          • Kendall Fields

            No I am not a moron and given the fact that although polio has been “dealt” with in many countries whose to say it can’t resurface just like rabies and bubonic plague. You just don’t want to face facts. Just because one disease hasn’t killed me doesn’t mean it can’t in the future with same being said for you.

          • Bye moron.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Again, *smallpox*

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Smallpox, asshole.

            Go ahead and find me a case in the wild ANYWHERE on Earth.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Then why don’t you shun all the technology that makes ‘others come back with twice the force’ (btw, citation required for that little piece of bullshit)

            Are you a hypocrite or an apostate?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            BTW, astronomical data can be verified MATHEMATICALLY.

            Show me the reality of your ‘god’ with evidence and mathematics, or admit you’re trying to conflate reality with your preferred delusion to the detriment of both.

          • Kendall Fields

            Evidence is not necessary but tell me who created the world and us complex organisms? An explosion could not create life.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Evidence is not necessary

            ^^^^YOU LOSE…RIGHT HERE.

            You’re obviously either too idiotic or too terrified to undertake the pilgrimage to knowledge that would answer your questions.

            The short answer is:

            Math works. Astronomy is grounded in math, and can be demonstrated

            ‘god’ doesn’t work, apparently. and religion is grounded in ‘god’.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            We can SEE astronomical events.

            Demonstrate your ‘god’ before you try to claim its reality.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Because it was so hilarious that it’s worthy of a good loud horselaugh.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            So much for Moses & Abraham.

            Here’s the passages, right out of your book:

            http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/seen.html

          • Bravo Sierra

            Now you’re just making stuff up. Where’s that in the wholly babble?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            When you understand WHY you feel that way about Thor, then you’ll understand why I feel that way about your ‘yahweh’.

            I mean, we’re both atheists…I just don’t believe in one MORE ‘god’ than you do.

          • rubellapox2

            Thor predates Christ and the Bible…

          • Kendall Fields

            And?

          • rubellapox2

            How can a religion which predates Christianity make Christians sin? How was Thor created to lead Christians down the path of sin?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Uh, you misspelled ‘yahweh’ (or is it ‘elohim’? I *hate* aliases…)

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Odin…the OdinSleep, no? 😉

          • Dangitbobby

            I think the one true god is Shiva, destroyer and remaker of the world, as explained in the Vedas. The Almighty didn’t need to sacrifice anything for humanity to be saved, why would an all powerful god need to do so? He is gracious enough and powerful enough to judge you for your deeds alone, without a need for atonement. Simply being a good person allows you to be judged lightly.

          • Kendall Fields

            Sure he does. So does that mean Shiva overlooks people stealing without atonement?

          • Dangitbobby

            Yes, if the person does more cosmic good than evil. Very simple.

            Does your god forgive someone like Hitler and allow him into paradise? If so, then the god you believe in is far less moral than my god, who basis justice on actions, not beliefs.

            The entrance into heaven for your god is complicated, convoluted and based on requiring himself to do something no god needs to do.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Way to move those goalposts!

            You’ll have burned off all that brain fat in NO time!

          • Kendall Fields

            No I think you need to burn off your sins just like me.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Your ‘god’ would have to exist for ‘sin’ to have any meaning.

            I’m still waiting on you to demonstrate this silly ‘god’ is more than your fervently held delusion in lieu of any self-confidence.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            I prefer a ‘god’ that banished the Frost Giants.

            Have you seen any Frost Giants around, hunh? Have you?

          • Kendall Fields

            And why? There is only one God whose Soon died for our sins. Odin and other ancient “gods” act more human than we do.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Nope. You believe a book that says that because the book says it’s true.

            I could believe in the Harry Potter books, or The Lord of the Rings, with such a circular argument. They’d be better choices, too, as they’re better written, are more consistent, and teach better life lessons.

        • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

          Demonstrate your ‘god’ before you conjure with it, as I mentioned above.

          • Kendall Fields

            Then tell me what created the world otherwise move on if you find my kind to be stupid and annoying as you have said.

          • Bravo Sierra

            No one knows for sure what “created the world,” especially those who say they know “the truth.”

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            I don’t know HOW the world coalesced, although scientists have some pretty consistent ideas.

            I’m pretty sure no particular THING (i.e. ‘what’) did any ‘creating’, as that would violate all the scientific models.

            I don’t want just your answer, either. I want your EVIDENCE.

            You’re far too pat in trotting out assertions. Back them up or don’t waste our time with them (and yourself, now that I think about it)

          • Your argument is “You don’t know something therefore god exists” – that’s pretty stupid.

        • Duane Locsin

          Like I said, you’re the only one here fooling themselves.

          http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularvoices/2017/07/27/good-news-club-busts-summer-school-classes-evangelize-kids/

          and we don’t care for your inability to read articles.

    • Please cite exactly where I’ve lied in this article, or any other of the pieces I’ve written about CEF and the Good News Club. I’ll be waiting.

      • Kendall Fields

        As far as I can see you seem to be manipulating their message into something it isn’t. Regardless of whether or not you believe me, your articles have little facts. I will pray that you God’s light before your days come to end.

        • Again, please cite examples. Just saying “you’re lying” doesn’t hold any water. I cover the dishonest and manipulative dealings of the Good News Club very often, and unlike them, I’m honest in what I report. Where have I misrepresented their “message”? Are you saying they DON’T threaten kids with hell? Are you saying they DON’T tell kids they’re sinners just for thinking about sin? Are you saying they DON’T teach kids that everything in the bible is true because god never lies? I’ve attended GNC meetings IN PERSON. I’ve seen these things and I have videos to prove their intimidation tactics. Tell me again how I misrepresent this abusive organization. Or don’t, and just shut the fuck up since you have no idea what you’re talking about. Good day.

          • Kendall Fields

            So telling kids about Hell is threatening and it is wrong to say do not think about committing sin? You seem to be the one who does not understand what you are talking about. The organization as far from what I see and read is portraying the truth especially considering the Bible is the word of God containing not only prophecies but also lessons, and history. So I suggest you stop talking.

          • Now who’s twisting? They don’t “tell” kids about hell. They threaten them with it. They tell them that if they don’t follow the exact teachings of the GNC (Biblical literalism & fundamentalism) they will be separated from all of their loved ones for eternity in hell. They are 7 year olds! Do you know how emotionally damaging that is to a little kid? And because they’ve even THOUGHT about disobeying their parents, they qualify for this extreme punishment. The only way to avoid this is by dedicating their lives to Jesus. These are kids who walked in the door wanting to be cowboys and princesses when they grow up and the GNC tells them they’re all destined for hell unless they do what the GNC says. They tell them they’re flawed and that they have the only cure. Here’s some fucking candy.

          • Kendall Fields

            That is not emotional damaging.

          • Are you a child psychologist? Because I have statements from child psychologists that say otherwise. I trust them more than you.

          • Kendall Fields

            Yeah and I am pretty sure many child psychologists are Christians and teach their children about Hell with zero problems.

          • Teaching your kids about hell and threatening them with it are two totally different things.

          • Kendall Fields

            And how are they threatening kids by telling the truth?

          • Oh it’s the truth? Prove it.

          • Kendall Fields

            I thought you said you were going to ban me. Don’t have the guts to do it? Also I was taught about Hell as a kid and it isn’t intimidation.

          • I was too. But I wasn’t taught the way these kids are being taught. If you haven’t witnessed it then you don’t know what you’re talking about. I have, and I’ve seen the GNC’s training videos. They are absolutely psychologically abusive, without a doubt.

          • What type of guts do I need to ban people? Why would you think I won’t do it? That’s ignorant. If you go back to troll-y comments you can bet on it.

          • Kendall Fields

            Oh I know you can do it but why are you going to tell me. So you can threaten me or warn me?

          • I think people deserve fair warning before being banned. It gives them a chance to correct their behavior.

          • Kendall Fields

            Yeah like,you should correct your behavior and destroy your hatred of God.

          • I don’t hate god. Do you hate things that you believe don’t exist? Do you hate unicorns and sasquatches? If you think atheists hate god then you don’t know what an atheist is. Email me your address and I’ll send you a free copy of my book, Understanding an Atheist. Maybe it will clear up some misunderstandings you have.

          • Kendall Fields

            No thanks your book just represents what is wrong with the world.

          • Really, how? We shouldn’t try to understand each other?

          • Kendall Fields

            You don’t want to understand. There is one path in life no others.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            And THAT is the problem, right there.

            YOUR KIND refuse to accept that there are *infinite* paths in life, and many of them are not harmful, some others actively helpful, and NONE of them need your approval.

          • Kendall Fields

            And do you believe in multiple paths? And if so why do you not believe in a god?

          • Bravo Sierra

            “I took the one less traveled by,
            “And that has made all the difference.”
            — Robert Frost

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Nothing about multiple paths in life requires any supernatural nonsense.

          • Duane Locsin

            you want to explain why there are thousands of Christian denominations with their own take and paths in life?

            which denomination is yours Kendall?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Demonstrating and telling the truth are ‘what is wrong with the world’?

            How bleak a life you must lead.

          • Annerdr

            One book does that? Impressive. I might buy a book like that.

          • Kendall Fields

            Wow your comment just projects stupidity.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Wrong book representing ‘what is wrong with the world’

            That would be the xtian bible in all its contradictory permutations.

          • Kendall Fields

            Really and how?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            First of all, you need a comma in there.

            Second, read this website that lists every contradiction in the ‘bible’ that they’ve located SO FAR:

            http://bibviz.com/

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Show me your ‘god’ before you try to conjure with it.

            Your demonstration has to fit ONLY your ‘god’, and be something YOU would be willing to accept as evidence of somebody *else’s* supernatural claims that contradict yours.

          • Kendall Fields

            Come up with a better response and let me ask you something. What created the world and how the organisms in it come to be without a God? Also the Bible mentions the world came to believe in multiple gods.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Better still, rather than changing the subject, JUST OFFER UP THE EVIDENCE!!!!

            I know, a wild and crazy idea.

            But you should consider it.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Why not?

            If you’re doing something offensive, a good host gives a warning before pitching the miscreant out on his/her ear.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Why? You’re a catnip mouse…just SO much fun to bat around 🙂

          • Kendall Fields

            Horrible pun and you have just put forth a stupid answer.

          • Bravo Sierra

            HEWBT said: “You’re a catnip mouse…just SO much fun to bat around :-)”
            And then Kendall Fields replies: “Horrible pun.”

            What pun? Did you mean “metaphor”?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            They who laugh last…didn’t get the joke the first time.

            It’s funny because we’re laughing AT you, precisely BECAUSE you demand respect that you’ve neither earned nor deserve.

            Be respectable and you’ll get respect. Be contemptible, and you’ll get our contempt…which is good clean fun 🙂

          • The fact that you feel stories of genocide, mass murder, rape, and eternal torture are age appropriate for 6-10 year olds is appalling.

          • Kendall Fields

            We learn about world wars, slavery, and genocide in school in that age range.

          • We learn about it as history, not “by the way this was done by a god who loves you and he’ll do it again.”

          • Kendall Fields

            Sure smart a lack.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Do you even English?

          • Kendall Fields

            Do you?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Been reading since before kindergarten.

            You?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            We learn about wars, etc.

            YOUR KIND *approve* of them as long as your ‘god’ ordered them.

          • Kendall Fields

            God had legitimate reasons for dealing with Canaan and even then they spared those who willing came to believe in him. Plus the Bible makes sure you cannot force anyone into slavery and/or sell them off otherwise they would be executed.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Your ‘god’ doesn’t demonstrably exist.

            It’s just an excuse for YOUR KIND, who are generally incapable fuckups in life, to be able to lord over others who are both sweeter of personality and smarter in intellect than yourselves.

          • Annerdr

            My child learned about slavery at age 10, not 6. He learned about world wars the next year. He learned about genocide in middle/high school. Why would you teach a six year old about any of those things?!

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Demonstrate that xtianity has ANY truth in ANY of its supernatural claims.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Yes, maybe, and no, in that order.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            How is lying to children and condemning them for natural, harmless tendencies NOT emotionally damaging, you shitheel?

          • Kendall Fields

            Also teaching kids about Hell is not intimidation. It tells you that if you chose to not follow God that is your path and you will face judgment for your sins. We are all flawed and telling the kids about Jesus and how he is the only way, the truth and the light is honesty.

          • Teaching kids they’re going to be separated from their parents and everyone else they love unless they subscribe to your magical cure is sure as hell intimidation.

          • Kendall Fields

            So telling kids not to commit crimes unless they want to spend time in jail is intimidation?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            You’re conflating your supernatural nonsense with actual demonstrable facts.

            It’s almost as if you realize you’ve got NOTHING without supernatural threats.

          • Kendall Fields

            I pray for you especially as you trek a dark path.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Yep, you’re Frank, all right.

            The style, the sanctimony & smarm, and the vague deepity platitudes are just too similar.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            That is the job of Officer Friendly in grade school assemblies, not some fake hoopdedoo party time Christians.

            Ultimately, the parents of Milwaukee will make their own decisions about sending their kids to Jebus Day Camp.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Of *course* it’s intimidation! You’re telling kids that merely being BORN damns them to hell, that emotions EVERYBODY experiences are evil even when they aren’t acted upon, and that there’s this vengeful supernatural mindreader who will get them for *thoughtcrime*

            I don’t care what you think, only what you say and do.

            YOUR KIND try to scare kids into believing in THOUGHTCRIME so you can sell them *your* cure, a life of fear, depression, anxiety, and authoritarian browbeating.

          • Kendall Fields

            Your response is just pitiful.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            If I didn’t know better, I’d say you’re Frank, of late and unlamented bannitude.

            Your style is very similar.

            When you can’t refute an argument, retreat to cryptic insults and pathetic attempts at aloof ‘superiority’.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            How is it not intimidating? I hated that shit when I was a kid. I saw it as fear-mongering before I even had the words to describe it.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Fuck you, and fuck your evil religion.

            I’d say fuck your ‘god’, too, but since there’s no evidence it exists outside your fevered co-imaginations, that would just be *silly*

            😉

          • And by the way, they tell parents NOTHING about this. The only thing parents know is that they’re signing up for fun, games and bible stories. Sounds great. What they don’t tell them (purposely) is that they’ll be converting their kids to fundamentalist Christianity through intimidation and fear. Yay.

          • Kendall Fields

            Your excuses get old and I thought you said you were not going to say anything especially after you said Good day. So are you going to stop responding or not.

          • Excuses for what? No, I’ll keep responding as long as you keep spouting bullshit. This is my site. I can talk here all day.

          • Kendall Fields

            No it isn’t your site you just have a page on a site where you just ramble.

          • Oh ok thanks for the clarification. Idiot. Now you’re just trolling. Now fuck off or get banned. Your choice.

          • Kendall Fields

            Go ahead and do it and you will just prove my point. Either face the truth that you are lying or don’t I will stay for you.

          • You have yet to show me an instance where I’ve lied.

          • Kendall Fields

            I have.

          • Remind me. Because I must have missed it. Please provide a quote where I’ve lied about CEF or GNC.

          • Kendall Fields

            Given the whole conversation you should know what I am talkimy about.

          • Funny how you can’t provide any evidence of me lying, yet you still believe I am. Sounds a lot like your “faith.”

          • Kendall Fields

            Oh that “attack” is the weakest thing you have shown today.

          • You’ve bored me to tears. I’m off to write a new article full of lies you can’t disprove.

          • Kendall Fields

            Yeah and you fail to disprove my claim while also making me pity you.

          • I need not disprove your claim (although I’ve provided mounds of evidence in prior articles including videos). You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you, not me. That’s how this works.

          • Kendall Fields

            Your “evidence” matters little especially when all you are doing is the same thing people do to others.

          • That doesn’t even make sense.

          • Kendall Fields

            So you say.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Typical of YOUR KIND.

            When you’re losing (almost always in any logical argument) you retreat to non sequiturs and deepities.

          • Kendall Fields

            And how am I losing?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Simply by being reduced to spluttering deepities rather than, as YOUR KIND tend to do, trying to metaphorically whip those with whom you disagree back to our kennels, you’re losing.

            We’ve discovered we have teeth, and there’s not much that’s tastier than the scourge that was used to lash our backs.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            YOU obviously haven’t bothered to read Kevin’s detailed analysis, but want us to retreat before your indignant sniff.

            Doesn’t happen in the real world, missy.

            Put up or shut up.

          • Kendall Fields

            And why don’t you?

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Because, you pathetic waste of protoplasm, we’ve decided to fight back and make you either demonstrate or recant your unfounded claims.

            By doing so, more and more people all the time can be freed of the scourge, the mind-rape, that religion IS. People are leaving all the time because we’re weakening the power of fear you inculcated in children before the age of reason, and we’re determined to make sure EVERYBODY has the choice to live free of supernatural terror if they so desire.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            YOU have made not one positive claim that you’ve backed up with data, and now you think you can flounce off calling it a win?

            Damn, you ARE the pigeon in Pigeon Chess ( http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess )

          • Kendall Fields

            Considering I just refuted his statements on them threatening kids your evidence has nothing in it.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Nope.

            You’ve made an unsupported argument “The bible is true because the bible is true”, and you seem to be very disturbed that we are demanding evidence rather than simply taking you at face value.

            YOUR KIND doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt, due to your track record of Lying for Jebus™

          • Taya

            Your really frustrating.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            You have no sense of irony, do you…

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            🙂

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Uh, just because you don’t like reality doesn’t change it.

            YOU have been incoherently attacking because your superstitious religious fee-fees are hurt, and all you’ve imparted so far is that YOU’RE SO OFFENDED, and you demand we deny reality to make you feel better.

            Ain’t gonna happen, missy.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Nope. No shifting the burden of proof.

            YOU made an assertion.

            Back up your assertion or recant it (and your idiotic xtianity while you’re about it)

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Then describe it in painstaking detail.

            I’ve just heard a lot of ‘NUH HUH!!!!’ from you.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            What ‘truth’ have you provided, other than that you are suffering from a delusion so ingrained that you’ll defend it to the death because of the pain you fear if it goes away?

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            You don’t have a point. All you have is the ability to baww about people lying, but you lack the ability to back up your assertion.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            WHO exactly is rambling?

            I swear, it’s like you’re playing “I’m Rubber, You’re Glue”

            That got old in elementary school.

          • Raging Bee

            Um, yeah, it IS his site. You’re arrogant and presumptuous even by Christian standards.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            You’re projecting again.

            Kevin has backed up ALL of his points.

            YOU are trying xtian apologetics, which don’t work without begging the question by inserting your desired conclusion into the starting premises.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Show me your ‘hell’ exists before you pollute innocent childrens’ minds with it.

            A demonstration as compelling as that for the existence of air or gravity would be sufficient, as long as it’s specific to your particular superstition.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            I don’t think scaring the kiddies into lockstep with your toxic belief system is humane, nor is it good child wrangling.

          • Annerdr

            When your curriculum references hell over 300 times, sin almost 5000 times, but grace only 58 times, “love they neighbor” one time, and the golden rule never – it’s clear what you are teaching is not a loving, forgiving God. You are teaching hate and fear to children as young as 6 years old. If this is the “truth” of your religion, your religion is nothing like the Christianity I grew up with.

          • Otto

            >>>”So telling kids about Hell is threatening…”

            And it is lying…don’t forget that.

            You think telling little kids about your boogie man is helpful? It’s not…it’s creepy and sick. I should know, your kind did it to me. It is downright deranged.

          • Raging Bee

            Telling kids about Hell only proves you have nothing else to offer them but made-up threats. Even when I was a Christian I understood that.

        • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

          E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E or STFU & GTFO.

          You’re casting aspersions…and doesn’t your book say something against bearing false witness?

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      YOUR KIND are so lost to reality that it’s not only over the horizon but on another planet.

      IF you can refute his points, do so. A blanket condemnation is the typical useless bullshit we’ve come to *expect* from YOUR KIND.

    • Annerdr
      • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

        Thank you for posting a link.

    • Myles

      When you are praying you are not able to do any harm. Talking to yourself like that will help save the world. Get all your religious friends to pray, all the time.

    • Brianna LaPoint

      that was condescending and presumptuous. the bible says take the plank out of your own eye. I dont even believe in christianity but at least i know enough to know that YOU are out of line.

    • Brianna LaPoint

      Dec 29, 2014 – The North Carolina Highway Patrol is investigating after two people were … were then hit by another car driven by 20-year-old Kendall Fields. Well, seems god doesnt want you around either. go bother someone else.

  • kaydenpat

    “Those who aren’t saved will be thrown into a lake of fire and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.”

    So people in heaven would be watching people in hell being tormented in flames forever? Does that sound like fun to anyone?

    • Taya

      Bet there is someone who is into that kind of thing… I imagine among those who came up with/push the idea….

  • Brianna LaPoint

    Not surprised really. this kind of things been going on since i was a kid. In fact, some of it is parents giving the go ahead for this kind of bullshittery. Perhaps this is why i think parents these days dont care about kids as much as they claim to. The only thing you can do is expose them for what they are and what they are doing. however, christians are agressive and closed minded, and it might take other points of view going up against them than the atheist one.