Polish pop star charged for suggesting the Bible was written by drunks and stoners

Polish pop star charged for suggesting the Bible was written by drunks and stoners May 5, 2010

DOROTA Rabczewska, famed for an unabashed attitude when it comes to flaunting her flesh, has been charged by Warsaw prosecutors with insulting religious feelings with comments she made in a television interview a year ago.

Doda Rabczewska
Better known by her stage name Doda, the 26-year-old singer, who has a string of hits to her credit, ruffled conservative feathers in Catholic Poland by explaining that she believed more in dinosaurs than the Bible because:

It is hard to believe in something written by people who drank too much wine and smoked herbal cigarettes.

This prompted furious Catholic groups to lodge complaints with the prosecutor’s office.
Thundered Ryszard Nowak, chairman of the Committee for the Defence Against Sects, an organisation dedicated to protecting Christian “values”:

It is clear that Doda thinks that the Bible was written by drunkards and junkies. I believe that she committed a crime and offended the religious feelings of both Christians and Jews.

If found guilty the pop star faces a two-year jail sentence or a hefty fine under Polish blasphemy laws.
Dorota is the second Polish pop singer to fall foul of the law. In March we reported that Adam “Nergal” Darski, frontman for the extreme heavy metal band Behemoth, had been formally charged for destroying a copy of the Bible on stage over two years ago.
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  • But it was written by drunks and stoners…and charlatans and lunatics. Revelation in particular could be nothing more than a wild trip, possibly ergot induced.

  • JohnMWhite

    I wonder if she could claim asylum from religious or political persecution in another EU country. Any prosecution for saying what’s on your mind is an affront to free speech, democracy and the whole thing Europe nearly destroyed itself fighting over in the 1930s and 40s.

  • Chris

    Written by drunks and junkies, believed in, it seems, by over-sensitive cunts and halfwits.

  • Stonyground

    She should ask her accusers if they have actually read it and since almost non of them have she should tell them to STFU until they have. It’s possible that at least some of them will go away and read it, come back and say “Hey you’re right”.
    Well perhaps not, these type of people are not really interested in truth are they?

  • Broadsword

    The religiots are embarrassing Poland.

  • Alan

    I would say this is progress. 300 years ago she would have been tortured and burned by the Inquisition as a Witch

  • Look on the bright side.
    It shows you how shaky the faith of these people is if they have to resort to jail and fines to ‘prove’ their propaganda.

  • tony e

    So when these various irritating twats come to my door to spread their brands of stupidity, on, at least, on monthly basis, I should have them charged because they say something I don’t like? Sounds good to me!

  • Angela_K

    It is a pity Doda wasted an opportunity in which she could have said a lot more about the bible’s foul content: Genocide, infanticide, incest, rape torture……… and how it is a catalyst for the weak minded bigots to do evil.

  • Al

    If a Polish court doesn’t throw the case out I hope she takes it to the European court where (to my mind at least) it’s obvious what will happen.

  • NeoWolfe

    Doda on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpN_o_I4FkY She’s pretty talented.
    Lot, deemed to be a righteous man by god, the man god saved from the city of Sodom before god destroyed it, also got drunk and raped both his daughters. So, I think it’s fair to say that those who wrote the Bible were drunks. (Genesis 19) http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrincest.htm
    NeoWolfe

  • Brian Jordan

    Could we be missing something here? Muslims regard the Christian tract as only slightly retarded. Criticism of its numerous authors and revisionists, while ok in a Koranic context, might still be more than enough for a fat “whaaa!”

  • Serai

    I think it’s insulting to stoners to say they would write such tosh!
    Brian that fat Whaaa comment reminded me of this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3wo1CFjwg

  • ZombieHunter

    obviously Poland has learned nothing from being occupied by both the Nazi regime and the the soviet union.
    the singer in the band behemoth is still facing charges for insulting bible bashers in poland and now this singer too, it is an affront to free speech and a violation of the european convention on human rights, the both of them should claim asylum in the UK and they’re more than welcome to be my neighbours 🙂

  • NeoWolfe

    Serai said:
    “I think it’s insulting to stoners to say they would write such tosh!”
    Oh come on, stoners write such tosh all the time (Alice in Wonderland), but the difference is that they don’t expect it to become a religion. The writers of the bible, on the other hand, were fakers and shamen who presented that fiction as truth, and used it to acquire the political power they desired.
    An amusing anecdote. The French Revolution was largely atheist, as much a revolt against religion as the aristocracy. But, once the aristocracy was overthrown, Maxmilien Robespierre tried to invent a new state god. So they chopped his head off, too. I consider that appropriate for anyone who invents some mythical godhead to secure political power or influence. I wonder if I would feel better if we could dig up Moses and Muhammed, flop their skeletons on the old guillotine and chop their skulls off? Probably not, the damage is already done.
    NeoWolfe

  • Heather Flight

    Actually, I think a lot of Poles will sympathise with Doda. She’s right after all!

  • William Harwood

    As a historian specializing in the origin and evolution of biblical religion, it is my expert conclusion that:
    (1) The book of Ezekiel was written by an author under the influence of some kind of psychedelic drug. (Hallucinations like Ezekiel’s are almost never triggered by alcohol.)
    (2) The fictitious book of Judith was written by a biographer who portrayed Judith as a lesbian and did not see that orientation as a blot on her character. (Judith was certainly not a real person, but she may have been based on what the author saw in the mirror.)
    (3) The author of the book of Jeremiah was a homosexual who wrote less than a decade before the first homosexual taboo was borrowed from Zoroaster and inserted into Judaism by the Priestly author of 621-612 BCE.
    (4) The author of chapters 4 to 19 of Revelation was a fantasizer who “prophesied” in July or August of 70 CE that the Jewish-Roman war currently in progress would end in a Jewish victory at Armageddon, north of Jerusalem. It ended in a Jewish defeat at Masada, south of Jerusalem.
    (5) The sainted Paul acknowledged that he enjoyed “a little wine for the stomach’s sake.” He also authorized the strategy still utilized by the Catholic Church, of lying to benefit the “faith.”
    (6) Daniel and other Pharisee books were written by authors who expressed their belief in life after death. The authors of Ecclesiastes and other Sadducee books stated unequivocally that life after death was an infidel superstition.
    (7) The Sadducee book, Song of Songs, is an unambiguous paean to sexual intercourse. The only way the sex-hating RC church was able to get past that reality was by pretending that Song of Songs is not about what it clearly is about.
    (8) The author of the Genesis chapters dating the universe to approximately 4000 BCE was not drunk, merely scientifically illiterate. The same applies to the 14 biblical authors who wrote stories that could be true if and only if the earth is flat.
    (9) The anonymous author of the book called Luke (16:9) put into Jesus’ mouth a sermon to the effect, “Cheat those who are no longer useful to you, and use the stolen money to bribe those who are in a position to do you good.” Instead of trying to justify such a teaching, apologists think that, if they ignore it, they can make it go away.
    (10) The final editor of Daniel showed his hero being thrown into a den of lions twice. That he was drunk is the most charitable explanation. The final redactor who included two incompatible accounts of creation in the first two chapters of Genesis either was impaired or thought his readers were.

  • Har Davids

    Ryszard Nowak believes that Doda has committed the crime of blasphemy, so he isn’t even sure? And why did it take so long for these religious nuts to take action, the only heard about Doda’s remarks a little while ago? BTW, aren’t we supposed to live in the 21th century?

  • Joanna

    Well, as a Pole (living now in UK) I would like to add something… It is embarrassing for at least two reasons : show Polish maniacs in action ,it’s not that many of them but the problem is that they’re loud so everyone can hear about their sick problems, and another is that it makes Doda even more famous – and that’s really sad due in my opinion she deserves nothing but pity.She is what she looks like – money making silly Blondie (and don’t believe what they say about her IQ), well merchandised, simple, with no taste but lots of ambition.Because of her and people like her I don’t watch Polish TV
    anymore.I feel offended when she’s claiming that this sh..t she plays is a rock music…. Jesus 😉

  • sailor1031

    @Zombiehunter:
    I don’t think Doda fleeing to the UK would be such a good idea. Some xtians would pretend to be upset by her “blasphemy” and sue under the arcane libel laws……truth, after all, is no defense. Maybe that’s better than 2 years though………you’d think the Poles would have learned about dictatorship by now!

  • Joanna

    One more thing…the fact that some idiots wants Doda to be
    jailed doesn’t mean that it will actually happen. Never happened with Nergal and won’t happen with her either.I’ve never heard about anyone jailed for reason even similar to that.So for those people who have had a rough ride about Poland being so deprived or twisted – is it not a sign of democracy that all those catholic freaks can protest if they won’t to against Doda as well as she has the right to say what she wants to about the Bible?
    It is really sad to read so many generalisation about whole country and nation based on facts like that…I thought that you’re free thinking people… I could say a lot of crap about UK based on some politics comments and plans(SNP for example)but I won’t because I generally respect Brits.And yes – we’ve learnt a lot from our history however I would prefer to omit that lesson -trust me!

  • NeoWolfe

    Dr. Harwood said:
    “(9) The anonymous author of the book called Luke (16:9) put into Jesus’ mouth a sermon to the effect, “Cheat those who are no longer useful to you, and use the stolen money to bribe those who are in a position to do you good.” Instead of trying to justify such a teaching, apologists think that, if they ignore it, they can make it go away.”
    Actually Luke 16:9 reads: “9 And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous mammon, so that when it fails they may receive you into the eternal habitations.”
    Mammon being a pagan god, the message becomes rather cryptic, since Jews disliked friendships or partnerships with gentiles, particularly pagan gentiles. But, I find your paraphase absurdly broad.
    Additionally, of all the gospels, Matthew and Luke are the most likely to be actually written by the accredited author, since Matthew was a tax collector for the Romans, and Luke was a physician, they were likely well educated and able to read and write, while Jesus probably couldn’t write his own name.
    NeoWolfe

  • William Harwood

    The Luke quotation must be read in the context of the whole fable (16:1-9), to which it is the moral. //The Protestant Bible Correctly Translated// renders the verse, “Use swindled money to buy yourselves companions, so that when it runs out they’ll accept you into their permanent residences.” The translation I posted above is also included, as a clarification of what the verse really implies.
    All gospels were anonymous. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that they were written by persons with the names capriciously attached to them. Since Doctor Loukos was a companion of Paul, there is no possibility whatsoever that he wrote Luke/Acts, in which Paul’s antagonist, Peter, is credited with a status Paul emphatically denied him. While three synoptics identified “Maththaios” as a member of the non-existent “Twelve”, only the gospel capriciously named Matthew called him a tax-collector. In Mark and Luke, the tax-collector was Levi, who was NOT the same person.
    A reading of //God, Jesus and the Bible: The Origin and Evolution of Religion// might have dissuaded a non-historian from challenging an expert in his own field.

  • NeoWolfe

    Dr. Harwood said:
    “A reading of //God, Jesus and the Bible: The Origin and Evolution of Religion// might have dissuaded a non-historian from challenging an expert in his own field.”
    Well, allow me to elaborate then, Sir Expert. That bastardized translation was part of a parable that illustrated that a person could not worship money and god at the same time. And was more an example of what NOT to do, rather than a template for moral conduct. THAT is the context to which, I guess, you were referring. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16%3A1-13&version=NIV
    I thought we were freethinkers, not spin doctors.
    NeoWolfe

  • William Harwood

    Further clarification: The author of Matthew copied half of his book from Mark, a book even the Vatican attributes to an author who was not an eyewitness. As Robert Price has pointed out, he would not have needed to do that if he was himself an eyewitness. The author of Luke copied all of Mark except the passages that were located between Mark’s two loaves-and-fishes fables, suggesting that he copied as far as the first such tale, closed the scroll, and later resumed copying from the second tale in the belief that that was where he had left off. A person whose primary source was a personal relationship with Paul would likewise not have needed to do that, and would certainly not have included passages in Acts that directly contradicted Paul on a major issue.
    Anyone is allowed to disagree with me. But only a person who has himself written a properly-supervised graduate thesis is qualified to tell me that I am wrong.

  • NeoWolfe

    Dr. Harwood said:
    “Anyone is allowed to disagree with me. But only a person who has himself written a properly-supervised graduate thesis is qualified to tell me that I am wrong.”
    Thanks so much for dodging the issue of context, and since I just shot you down in flames, maybe we should turn the conversation to the definition of “pompous ass”.
    And if the gospel writers were just copying each other, why does the “morning after” account of the resurrection radically differ?
    NeoWolfe

  • William Harwood

    I have reached what strike me as logical conclusions about Islam. But while I might question Ibn Warraq, Ram Swarup or Robert Spencer, I would not consider arguing with them as if I were their equal in the field of their specialization. And I would not raise any question that proved I had not read their previously published answers.
    This issue is now closed.

  • NeoWolfe

    Game, set, match!!!!!
    NeoWolfe

  • William Harwood

    Your gracious concession is appreciated. It is a pleasure dealing with a gentleman who is not a sore loser.

  • NeoWolfe

    Harwood, you are a cartoon, not a scientist.
    NeoWolfe

  • Wolf

    Thanks for the interesting debate. Context is key to understanding what NeoWolfe means and indeed, the verse also translated as “Use swindled money to buy yourselves companions, so that when it runs out they’ll accept you into their permanent residences” appears as part of a narrative that serves to make a point, the point that one cannot serve two masters – such as God and money – at the same time. But that was William Harwood’s point as well (‘The Luke quotation must be read in the context of the whole fable (16:1-9), to which it is the moral.’). The issue of who was more likely to have written which passage seems to be one that would probably require a lifetime of dedication to understand properly.

  • Interesting points are made here so perhaps some readers could be of help here. It concerns an investigation of libel as to its Biblical evolution and will be discussed at: http://joy-thought.blogspot.com
    Theologians used Bible texts for making laws. Which Bible texts were used in making libel laws?