Pakistan authorities wants Facebook founder charged with blasphemy

Pakistan authorities wants Facebook founder charged with blasphemy June 19, 2010

FACEBOOK founder Mark Zuckerberg is being investigated by Pakistani police under a section of the penal code that carries the death sentence for blasphemy against the “prophet” Mohammed.

Wanted for crimes against Mo: Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg
According to this report, Pakistan’s Deputy Attorney General has launched a criminal investigation against Zuckerberg and others in response to Facebook hosting a “Draw Muhammad” contest on the site late last month.
On May 19, Pakistani authorities blocked access to Facebook over the contest, and this ban was lifted on May 31 after Facebook removed the page in Pakistan and other countries.
Asked to comment, a Facebook spokeswoman told us the company does not comment on legal matters.
Last month, according to English-language Pakistani newspaper The News International, a Pakistani High Court judge summoned the police after lawyer Muhammad Azhar Siddique filed an application for a First Information Report (FIR), claiming that the owners of Facebook had committed a heinous and serious crime under Section 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code. In essence, an FIR launches a criminal investigation. But so far no charges have been filed.
According to the paper, Section 295-C of the penal code reads:

Use of derogatory remark etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet, whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable for fine.

According to two reports — one at Boxcrack.net, a kind of citizen journalism site run by Privacy International, and another at Pro Pakistani, a Pakistani Telecom and IT news site that lifted the news from BBC Urdu — the Deputy Attorney General has indeed lodged an FIR against Zuckerberg, fellow co-founders Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes, and “Andy”, the German woman who initiated the Draw Muhammad contest under a pseudonym.
According to Pro Pakistani, petitioner Muhammad Azhar Sidiqque said he’s waiting for the police to contact Interpol about making arrangements for the arrest of Facebook’s owners and “Andy”.
A pramful of Pakistani Muslims venting their anger against Facebook
The site also says that the Deputy Attorney General told the High Court that Pakistan’s United Nations representative has asked to escalate the issue in the UN General Assembly.
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  • Stupid morons, do they really think their ass backwards stone age laws have any international significance? It’s a shame none of our politicians have the balls to stand up to these drooling knuckle draggers, perhaps we could push for them to face our laws on things like rape, abduction, murder etc.

  • Bloomin’ pathetic isn’t it….

  • Mike

    Well they can go and get stuffed I think. Anyone know if blasphemy is a international crime, cause I have a lot of stuff I would like to charge the paki government with.

  • Mike

    Looking at the picture, I wonder if those folk even know what a facebook is ?

  • barriejohn

    Fucking Jesus, Mary and Joseph! (Is that blasphemous enough, Barry?)

  • barriejohn

    Doesn’t it just demonstrate perfectly the petty, childish mentality of these religiots when, with all the human rights abuses and wars going on all over the world, they think that some piddling, supposed slight on their “prophet” warrants raising at the UN General Assembly? Is there any hope for the human race?
    (Apparently not, according to this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287643/Human-race-extinct-100-years-population-explosion.html )

  • @Barriejohn…”Religiots”….love it, I’m gonna use that one and claim it as my own….

  • Stonyground

    Apologies for being off topic but apparantly Vincent Nichols has said that on no account should vuvuzelas be used to welcome the Pope when he comes to Britain. What a brilliant idea Vincy and thanks for letting us know that you don’t want us to do it.

  • barriejohn

    It wasn’t my invention, Stuart, though I’d love to take the credit!

  • chrsbol

    shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable for fine.
    Not only death but fined as well.

  • elainek123

    vuvuzelas great, I suppose if we use them when the pope comes we may end up being charged with blasphemy.
    Why are religious bigots still around. United Nations is a farce. Muslim countries get away with murder, and yet we have no protection.
    .

  • Alan

    I wonder if someone started a draw Gary Glitter day on Facebook if this guy would be arrested then.

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    If the Pakistani authorities want people charged with blasphemy for insulting their prophet, they’ll be charging a lot of people. What a sick pathetic joke. As Barriejohn points out, there are real problems out there that need dealing with. The hurt feelings of a long dead person shouldn’t really come into it (as an aside, I thought the idea behind no paintings etc. was to stop mo being turned into an idol that was worshipped. Isn’t this exactly what they are doing with this?).

  • gsw

    @Graham Martin-Royle:
    We all know it not the hurt feelings of a long dead person or even the offence felt by religiots (like it!) that motivates these people.
    It is against islamic law, therefore, if it can be made to apply to the whole world that’s the camel’s nose in the tent – or as we in the west say: the thin edge of the wedge.

  • Dan

    These stone age primitives need to move out of the 12th century and into the 21st.

  • terry

    The idea that people’s beliefs, merely by being deeply held, merit respect is grotesque.society should uphold freedom of speech and should not concern itself with people’ feelings.only the Muslim community is combustible in this way controversy over facebook like all such controversies, renders one fact about our world especially salient: Muslims appear to be far more concerned about perceived slights to their religion than about the atrocities committed daily in its name. They have had it there own way for a very long time – and committed a lot of crimes in the process – and they still fancy themselves entitled, but they aren’t. so don’t try to tell me what I can read, see on TV, do in my private time, think or say. In fact, keep your sticky fingers off my life. don’t expect me to admire or excuse you because of it: rather the contrary, given the fairy-stories in question. And when you are a danger to the lives and liberties of others, which alas is too frequently from the wont of your ilk, we will speak out against you as loudly,and persistently, as we can.

  • SirBruce

    > According to Pro Pakistani, petitioner Muhammad Azhar Sidiqque said he’s waiting for the police to contact Interpol about making arrangements for the arrest of Facebook’s owners and “Andy”.
    Article 3 of the INTERPOL Constitution
    It is strictly forbidden for the Organization to undertake any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.

  • Adam Tjaavk

    Ohhhhh ‘Peace’! – ‘Peace be upon him’ – I felt somehow that my construing it as ‘pox’ might possibly be off the mark.
    _____

  • Em

    I don’t know what crimes you guys are all talking about. The Muslim countries have been repeatedly raped by Britain, France, and now the United States. As an Arab-American, I have undergone ridiculous amounts of racism in the US based solely on my skin color. If you actually looked into the facts, you would realize that the Muslim countries are constantly being terrorized by the US and by Israel, and in the end they are being called the terrorists for trying to defend their homes. How is it that the US invaded Iraq and *still* called people who fought back “terrorists”?
    Do I think the Muslim community is overreacting over people drawing Muhammad? When they kill people, yes, that’s just crazy. but they also have a right to ask people not to do that because it is really insulting to them. The whole ‘draw Muhammad’ contest was definitely meant to be provoking and insulting to the Muslim community, no doubt about it. In light of all the rape, pillage, and killing that the US has done in the Middle East, maybe you guys should just lay the fuck off for a decade rather than sticking your fingers in the wounds and laughing your fat, lazy asses off. Try going on a treadmill sometimes, fatass. Gee, stereotypes are so much fun, aren’t they?

  • Screw them and their pedophile “prophet” (derision be upon him).

  • OurSally

    @:(
    Guess who that is…
    Come and get me, cowardly scum

  • L.Long

    Maybe an international anti-blasphemy law might be a good thing?
    Consider….
    Islamics bash jews….bring them up on blasphemy charges..
    Catlicks bash the jews….bring them up on charges…
    baptists bash mormons….bring them up on charges….
    Xtians bash the islamics….bring them up on charges…
    They all want to claim atheism is a religion–fine
    THEY bash atheists …. bring them all up on charges.
    Since we don’t really care we don’t bash anyone…
    Everyone else is now in prison and we all get jobs as guards
    and get to beat them up whenever. ;-}

  • Rob

    here’s the thing, these people are no more retarded than christians, or jews (which i am one) or any other religion. bottom line is, every religion is equally retarded and was created by man, to control man.

  • Slatts

    Shouldn’t it be blasphemous to insult the intelligence of realists?

  • Thou

    @Em
    I think it’s more of a fact that so many people disrespect the religion not only because of stories like this, but the fact that Muhammad historically was a child raping pig and much of the right-minded world is just bewildered as to why Muslims feel so obliged to act for him. The Facebook group was only created because of Islam’s complete lack of value for free speech, and the fact that Muslims deserved to get a taste of their own medicine after pointless bitching over such harmless images.
    So yes, I would consider much of the complaining on the Muslim side to be over reacting, as long as they think that drawing harmless pictures is such an extreme atrocity. And nobody generalizes as much as you might think. At least countries in the first world hold respect for their own people and don’t necessarily have to cling to religion, racism, and killing to feel worthy of anything. Nobody needs to “lay the fuck off” until Islamic extremists get a grip and stop believing that they are the one and only true believers, and realize that they worship a man who in my opinion, doesn’t deserve to be called a pig, as that would be an insult to the entire swine population.

  • charles

    its obviously just a ploy to cause aggression between the “mainstream people” and one of the U.N.’s future war zones.

  • AngieRS

    Never mind, Em, you protest away and while you’re about it, why don’t you protest about the daily sufferings inflicted by muslim men on their women and children, on Gays, on apostates and pretty much anyone else who doesn’t like or agree with the religion of islam, let’s not forget your paedophile holy man, may shit be upon him.

  • bilalimran134

    Pakistan a Islamic state suffering with great difficulty is standing by all the world on war on terror suffering more collateral damage that no country has ever suffer …yet we are not parsing his efforts….. attacking Muslims in the name of freedom of speech is not justice… act done the face book hurted Muslims badly ….creating a negative impact of western world one must respect ones religion ….. we must think that is this wright act to do .? we must stop all these kinds of acts irrespective of religion . either one is Muslim .. Hindu ..christian ..Sikh.. Jew … or anyone else …

  • GS

    @ Em,
    While I agree with all your points about the hypocrisy of the West toward the MiddleEast, I disagree with your belief about the intent of “Draw Mohammed Day”. And I agree lots of people unfortunately did use the event as an excuse to bash Muslims.
    Just don’t overlook the real reason many people promote the concept of defying religious requirements that believers try to impose on others who do not share their faith or beliefs. I don’t want someone telling me I have to follow their beliefs any more than they would want me telling them they need to give up their god beliefs and adopt atheism. It goes beyond free speech into freedom itself.
    And an important thing came out of the Draw Mohammed Day that many people overlooked or didn’t notice. There were pages of images posted on the Web of Mohammed Images painted or drawn BY MUSLIMS over the centuries. Even all Muslims do not agree with this specific ‘rule’.
    The outrage was manufactured by men manipulating others for the men’s gain. The recent Danish cartoonist was merely a convenient scapegoat used for political gain. The cartoon he drew had been around long before certain people with political motives stirred up resentment against the cartoon. And sadly it resulted in innocent deaths.
    Let’s be honest here. While clearly some Muslim sects are offended by images of Mohammed (just as many Christians were offended by the art piece with Jesus on a cross in a container of urine), it wasn’t something Muslims paid much international attention to until their outrage was manipulated for political reasons.

  • GS

    @ Thou who posted:

    I think it’s more of a fact that so many people disrespect the religion not only because of stories like this, but the fact that Muhammad historically was a child raping pig and much of the right-minded world is just bewildered as to why Muslims feel so obliged to act for him.

    Perhaps you should read or re-read the Bible. Some people find a god just as distasteful who would punish all people for two people thousands of years earlier eating some fruit put in front of them, telling said people they should punish children who mouth off to their parents with death, telling some ‘chosen’ people they should kill everyone including children and animals in one case when said people were encouraged to conquer another people, and in a second case instructing the ‘chosen’ people to kill everyone except it was OK to take all young virgins to be the ‘chosen’ people’s sex slaves. This same god tells the story of Lot having sex with his daughters and blames the girls for it. These same girls in the story were to be given to a raping mob by the same father to protect a couple male guests in the house.
    You cannot say Bible stories are any less atrocious than Muslim stories if you actually read the Bible objectively, rather than just listening to Sunday School versions of the stories.

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  • barriejohn

    Gsw is right: this is all part of their attempt at the gradual Islamification of society. They think that everyone was born Muslim, so it is only right that their ridiculous rules should govern all of us, in every aspect of our lives. We need to stand firm and give not an inch on this. Free speech is free speech, and we must ensure that we defend that right – which after all applies to them as well!

  • barriejohn

    GS: You may well be technically correct in what you say, but please don’t overlook the fact that to Mohammed the Bible was also a revelation from God, whose FINAL revelation to mankind was made via “The Prophet”!

  • Har Davids

    Keep them ignorant, poor and scared! With the over-population of Asia we’ll be seeing more and more hysteria, the only way the authorities or religious leaders will be able to keep the general population in check: distract them with stories of a great after-life if they behave right now, the way they’re expected to. Anything is welcome to keep them busy and blasphemy seems to be a sure thing with the masses. Maybe it’s time to split up the UN: one part of the modern, secular countries and the rest can start something on their own. And let’s not dismantle the labs where they do research in ABC-weapons; we might be needing them for countries like Pakistan, just in case they don’t change their ways. If people there keep on breeding like they are doing right now, territorial wars seem inevitable.

  • GS

    Barriejohn: I’m an atheist. I believe all god stories are mythical stories because that’s what the evidence supports.
    What I objected to in Thou’s post, and you seem to be agreeing with Thou, is the argument either religion is inferior, less moral, more cruel, or more dangerous than the other. It is the believers and practicers of these religions who dictate the level of depravity, not the particular wording in the 2,000 year old religious texts which were written within 2,000 year old cultures.
    Throughout history there has been more than one time period where the collective violence shifted back and forth between followers of both religions. And the violence isn’t limited to these two religions. Hindus and Muslims are currently murdering each other in equally large numbers in India.
    That doesn’t mean I haven’t noticed the current use of the Muslim religion to motivate murderers. But how is that different from Evangelical fundies who are abortion doctor murderers except they don’t currently exist in the quantity of radical Islamists? And as Em pointed out, the last century of American and British history includes plenty of collective violence against indigenous peoples all over the world as we conveniently found reasons to call their country’s natural resources, ours.
    What I’m saying is the problem here is the believers, not the specifics in the texts. From what I see both the Bible and the Quran are vague, inconsistent, and totally subject to the cherry picked interpretations of those believers. Even the atrocious treatment of women in fundamentalist Muslim cultures is based on the culture, not the text in the Quran.
    And can you for a moment imagine how you would react if Iraq relentlessly bombed the US in a reaction to 20 Saudis’ actions in Iraq, no matter how tragic that action was? That’s who the 911 bombers were if you recall. Saudis, not Iraqis. Everyone can cite their reasons why their actions/country/religion is/are justified. But very few people seem to be able to see the view in the mirror.

  • shieee

    fuck you Pakistan and your stupid fucking laws, we are free from the tyranny of your fucking god and prophet.

  • Garlic

    ‘I don’t know what crimes you guys are all talking about. The Muslim countries have been repeatedly raped by Britain, France, and now the United States.’
    How can a country follow a religion? What does ‘the Muslim countries’ mean? Does it mean the countries where people are persecuted for not being Muslim, or indeed for being the wrong kind of Muslim? What about the countries where people from a certain racial background are constitutionally forced to be Muslim? We’ve got this ridiculous united ‘ummah’ concept creeping in here again, which in fact is about as real as a unicorn.
    Muslims have been quite happy to commit genocide on other civilisations numerous times on religious grounds. If you actually looked into the facts, you could find out what happened to the original, indigenous inhabitants of Kotan when they refused to convert to Islam. If you actually looked into the facts, you could find out how many Hindus were killed when Muslims first invaded India. Islam was forced on Persia, now Iran, by the Arabs, and ‘the Muslim countries’ have been quite happy to declare war on each other and slug it out over sectarian differences many times.
    ‘As an Arab-American, I have undergone ridiculous amounts of racism in the US based solely on my skin color.’
    Yawn – fucking spare me. I live as an immigrant in a country where almost nobody looks like me. I daily deal with people’s open-mouthed astonishment at the most banal things, such as the fact I can use chopsticks or count in a language that is not my own. I know I will never be fully accepted. And I deal with it with a smile. I haven’t been to America yet, but I do have a very large number of American friends, most of whom are not white. America is an ethnically diverse country where your physical appearance will, I suspect, not result in total strangers gaping at you as you walk down the street – or winding down their car windows for a closer look. I, however, do know what that is like, and I don’t spend all my time bleating and whining on the internet about it.
    A further point I would like to make is that the Americans I know, irrespective of their background, typically can’t tell the difference between Indian and Arab people, although as a Briton, I most certainly can. This is because these communities are both smaller in the USA proportionately than in my land of origin, and in no way shows that Americans are inherently bigoted. There is no way these people could deduce that you are a Muslim, which is a personal lifestyle choice that has NOTHING to do with your skin colour or race (what about Hui people? They hardly look Arabic) unless you are wearing some piece of clothing that is deliberately designed to make your otherwise invisible religion the first thing these people notice.
    “In light of all the rape, pillage, and killing that the US has done in the Middle East, maybe you guys should just lay the fuck off for a decade rather than sticking your fingers in the wounds and laughing your fat, lazy asses off. Try going on a treadmill sometimes, fatass. Gee, stereotypes are so much fun, aren’t they?”
    Maybe you should investigate what the URL ending .co.uk means, Em, because I can assure you it has nothing to do with the USA. I think the old red troll-mist came down when your fingers hit the keypad and you forgot to consider that criticism of religion also takes place in other countries. As for the ‘fatass’ remark, I understand that the banning of gyms in Saudi Arabia as un-Islamic is causing an epidemic of obesity amongst women. Get the plank out of your own eye.

  • Garlic

    Now, where has my response to Em gone? I think some things in it needed saying. Especially his / her / its seeming incomprehension of what the URL ‘.co.uk’ means, its partial and biased understanding of Muslim history, and the experience of feeling like an ‘outsider’ in one of the most ethnically diverse countries on earth.

  • Broadsword

    @Adam Tjaavk
    “Pox be upon him”
    I would have thought that unlikely due to the efficacy of Western vaccination programmes. Perhaps they’ll remember this one day.

  • Stonyground

    Garlic, I have found that posts sometimes disappear for a while and then pop up some time later. For that reason I usually wait a bit before re-posting or mentioning it. The post was excellent by the way.
    I would admit that Islamic countries can blame the western world for some of their problems but they have far more problems that are of their own making.

  • terry

    On a lighter note it seems that the mighty Thor is pissed with Jesus. Perhaps Allah could have a word, maybe Thor will sort out his facebook problem.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/weirdnewsvideo/7833578/Jesus-statue-hit-by-lightning.html

  • cybrBear

    Very good post, Garlic. Nice to see a little bit of reason posted among the vitriol.

  • barriejohn

    Terry: That story was covered here on 15th June!
    http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/06/15/giant-jesus-goes-up-in-flames/
    I love that Youth Pastor, though: “You just can’t explain it, can you?” Well, yes, I think I can actually!

  • Thou

    @GS
    “You cannot say Bible stories are any less atrocious than Muslim stories if you actually read the Bible objectively, rather than just listening to Sunday School versions of the stories.”
    I am a bit confused by this post, especially given that at no point did I ever mention the Bible or the Christian God. None of what you said is my opinion, and you are simply putting words in my mouth. I never listened to any “stories,” nor am I defending Christianity in any way.
    “you seem to be agreeing with Thou, is the argument either religion is inferior, less moral, more cruel, or more dangerous than the other”
    Again, I never said anything close to that. Generally one retorts based on what they read.

  • NeoWolfe

    For any group to rise up and say, you deserve death because you disagree with our god delusion, is cause amplified for what freethinkers are talking about. The most insidious perversion of common sense is fundamentalist religion. Darwin set the alarm, but most of the world hit the snooze button. I guess that’s why we keep fighting.
    NeoWolfe

  • NeoWolfe

    GS said”
    “Everyone can cite their reasons why their actions/country/religion is/are justified. But very few people seem to be able to see the view in the mirror.”
    Yessir, you are exactly right. After what the English settlers did to the native Americans, and the smear of the slavery of negoes, the idea that America presents itself to the world as some beacon of civilization and that democracy is the answer to all social ills is so absurd as to be repulsive. Don’t get me wrong, I hate religion, but I could stand to end the corrupt politicians telling us how capitalism works. Exactly how much do we owe China?
    NeoWolfe goddammit!!!!!

  • NeoWolfe

    GS said”
    “Everyone can cite their reasons why their actions/country/religion is/are justified. But very few people seem to be able to see the view in the mirror.”
    Yessir, you are exactly right. After what the English settlers did to the native Americans, and the smear of the slavery of negoes, the idea that America presents itself to the world as some beacon of civilization and that democracy is the answer to all social ills is so absurd as to be repulsive. Don’t get me wrong, I hate religion, but I could stand to end the corrupt politicians telling us how capitalism works. Exactly how much do we owe China?
    NeoWolfe 3

  • Chavdar Dobrovidel

    Oh Children of Mohammed!
    Repent, the end is near. Soon your militant Muslim beliefs will be no more because your tyrannical governments will be overthrown by the good forces from the spiritual and from the physical world, which will include the oppressed good Muslims of your nations (the majority of Muslims in Muslim countries are not radical bastards but are good people who are tolerant of those who are respectful to them) and by brave and good Christian, Hindu, atheist foreigners.
    Mohammed was a trickster, crook and a rapist. I would highly recommend that everyone that wants to see the real and dark side of Mohammed and the official Muslim religion to read the book “Sword of the Prophet” by Serge Trifkovic. If you want more entertainment with your wisdom read the book “Tea With Terrorists” which includes much important information on the dark side of this true blasphemer (I mean Mohammed) against truth, God’s mercy, goodness, and tolerance, however this information is intertwined with a fictional story about anti terrorist task force, terrorist attacks on the US, romance, adventure and a good ending (for good people).
    So it it turns out that Mohammed had at least 13 wives, not the four the Koran lies that he had, he forced a Jewish princess that was very beautiful to marry him after he killed in front of her , her own brother and father, he started to have sex with his favorite wife when she was 9 years old, he ordered the killing of a poetess who wrote against him and of quite a few other critics, and when he was weak in numbers and power, he was very tolerant and understanding, however when he was strong in power he was murderous, authoritarian, and very intolerant. He was someone who was initially very friendly to the Jews, but when he saw that they did not follow him, and that they were ridiculing his very inaccurate rendition of their holy tales and scriptures, he decided that Jews were evil and needed to be persecuted. And he hated dogs. What kind of an idiot hates dogs? They are loving, kind if treated well, loyal, very much different in these qualities from cats, whom Mohammed loved.
    Now I don’t want to offend the atheist readers of this website (I’m serious) but I will say that in the Hindu tradition of meditation to listen to God, and in the Sioux Indian tradition of meditating to listen to God (Sioux Indians live in the prairie lands of the middle US region and were the ones that destroyed Custer’s bastard troops that sought to steal even more land from the Indians whom they regarded as inferior), in agreement with both of these people’s traditions I practice meditation. Everyone can do this meditation because God is in each person and happy to talk to people if they listen to him correctly and know how to approach God, and actually carry out his advice, commands, and try to apply their spirituality to their lives, friendships, how they do their jobs, etc. So why am I talking about meditation now? Because in meditation I have gotten repeatedly that Mohammed spent 300 years in hell after he died, because of his great evil and the evil he caused the world with his demented religion. But because he fooled so many good people into believing he was a good person and a godly man, these good people, millions of them, prayed for him sincerely, and out of mercy, God eventually answered their prayers and elevated Mohammed from hell and let him be happy , and accepted him eventually into Paradise. This will shock you that I believe this is true, but I did get in meditation that so much did Mohammed repent and become good, that he is now a high saint, and that he is very saddened by how the Mohammedans rape God and goodness when they rape Assyrian Christian women in Iraq, when they rape Coptic Egyptian Christian women in Egypt (both are done massively) and when they commit and have commited in the past genocides, massacres, imposed tyrannies, etc. I have much more to say on these things but I want to not take up too much space, so I am closing by saying: those of you who believe in God or Gods (I used to be a Christian, but am now a proud pagan, of the old Iranian category faith of Tangrism in Central Asia, from where a big part of my Bulgarian peoples’ ancestry came: these ancestors were the very civilized and advanced Bulgars of the Hindu Kush Mountains of India (Hindu Kush means Killing of Hindus, guess who killed them) and of the Pamir mountains of India) or who are agnostic or curious atheists and want to to explore God in you and what he can tell you, try to buy some Hindu book on meditation (they are much easier to find than Sioux Indian books on meditation) and try sincerely to apply it. There are many ways to listen to God, like from your dreams, from your intuition (women are gifted that they are much more intuitive then men, but many women misuse that gift) or through the Sun God, or most easily, from the God that is in the center and top part of your head (I think its called the crown) where if you imagine with faith that you are putting part of your energy there, and you hold it, you will soon get good results if you listen to what the information coming from that region tells you. Please make sure it feels like a good being that is talking to you and that it feels ‘right’ when you do this meditation, otherwise your own wishful thinking or bad parts of your mind can fool you and pretend they are God. Approach this carefully if you are curious and you want to try this, because there are many energies (like demonic) that would love to present themselves as God and have you do their will. But if you approach it carefully but bravely, and completely honestly and also in a intelligent way, within five or six days of 10 minute meditation per day, you should start to get some good results. Many good wishes to all you readers out there, the haters, the lovers, the good and the bad. And most of all , I want to congratulate the founders of this website for allowing this discussion of Mohammed and Christianity and other religions to be posted on this ATHEIST web site. Take care, Chavdar Dobrovidel (Chavdar was a Robin Hood of Bulgaria in the 17th century who stole from the tyrannical Turks and gave to good Bulgarians, and never harassed the Turkish Muslim masses of Bulgaria, who were good, decent and poor, and oppressed by the rich raping and tyrannical Turks).

  • Tom

    Just one more example of why organized religion and the zealots it creates is a really bad idea.

  • jared

    these people are just ridiculous. Can’t we just laugh at the crazies and move on with our life like we used to? Can’t we just ignore such inanities? They think they can just patrol the world, looking to fight against these “blasphemers”– THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!! you get to control your own silly little oppressed people, and we get to ignore you. and if you try to stop us, we then have the right to use our wealth, resources, and technology to overpower you and your little beliefs. this people can be hushed away. take away their little television cameras, get our reporters out of their countries, and let them figure out how to make Iphones and their own food. Let their little voices try to be heard over our awesomeness

  • jared

    GSW and Barriejohn have it right. i was trying to pinpoint this sort of mentality- where they think they are allowed to control anyone they want. Hmmm, that seems vaguely familiar. But wait, I’m from the US. Who in the US wants to control me through their religious dogmas? Hmm, I’m having trouble placing a finger on it. Well, I know it can’t possibly be those christians. They wouldn’t ever try to control anyone else b/c of religion. thats just not christ-like

  • bobh

    How come Saudi Arabia has no christian churches, Jewish temples, or ethical humanist meeting halls? Yet they have the nerve to turn around and build mosques in other countries.

  • David Schwartz

    @Em: That’s all very interesting. It would be illuminating to hear your thoughts on *this* issue though. Specifically, on the attempts of Pakistan to press criminal charges against people in other countries who say things that insult their religious beliefs.
    It seems you just said a whole bunch of stuff that everyone agrees on and implied that this somehow defends Pakistan’s actions here. Well, no, it doesn’t.

  • biga

    wow haha everyone neeeds to chill the fuck out…

  • Jim Garland

    Islam is a cancer to humanity and must be eradicated from our history. It has only brought evil into this world and those who dispute this truly are ignorant in that they have not read the quran in Arabic, the Hadiths, and multitudes of Islamic books written in Arabic that would shame any decent human being who believes they are muslim.
    Before bearing arms and looking to revenge, look to the light for knowledge and academic research would only confirm any truth. A belief system that does not advocate research and questioning is only a cult.
    The truth shall set you free.