Gays blamed for the fall of Rome

Gays blamed for the fall of Rome April 10, 2011

A NUMBER of factors – including the rise of Christianity – led to the eventual collapse of the Roman Empire.
But a top a leading Italian history professor and devout Roman Catholic – Roberto De Mattei, 63 –  insists that The Gays were to blame.

Roberto De Mattei
According to this report, the Vice-President of Italy’s prestigious Centre for National Research said in a radio interview this week:

The collapse of the Roman Empire and the arrival of the Barbarians was due to the spread of homosexuality. The Roman colony of Carthage was a paradise for homosexuals and they infected many others. The invasion of the Barbarians was seen as punishment for this moral transgression.

He added:

It is well-known that effeminate men and homosexuals have no place in the kingdom of God. Homosexuality was not rife among the Barbarians and this shows God’s justice throughout history.

Unsurprisingly, this numpty – who had already raised eyebrows by saying the Japanese tsunami was “divine punishment” – is now at the centre of a furious row, and faces calls to resign.
Fellow historians, gay rights groups and politicians expressed their outrage over the historian’s claims. Paola Concia, a lawmaker with the Democratic Left, said:

I have tabled an urgent call for the education minister to intervene.

Italian gay groups said the professor’s comments were “based on superstition” and described them as “ridiculous and outrageous”.
Historian Emilio Gabba, a leading light in Roman history, said:

It is highly improbable homosexuality led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

And Professor Lellia Cracco Ruggini, an expert on Roman history from Turin University, added:

There is no proof Rome had a high number of homosexuals. I can safely say Rome did not fall because it was gay.


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  • Anonymous

    “Prof De Mattei… was awarded an order of knighthood by the Vatican in recognition for his service to the Catholic Church….

    Politicians and academics were left aghast by his remarks and more than 7,000 have signed a petition calling for his immediate resignation.

  • Absolutely barmy, considering that the whole “falling of the Roman Empire”notion is a misguided notion. It was the western half that fell- the Eastern Roman Empire did not fall at all-it lasted for another 800 years.

  • And why did the Western half of the Roman Empire fall? Largely because the Emperors were totally inept morons who became puppets of Barbarian generals.

  • Newspaniard

    “…Carthage was a paradise for homosexuals and they infected many others…” Interesting, I was not aware that gayness was an infection.

  • Broga

    Ratzi and co must love this nutter. Two thousand years ago, a plethora of forces and attitudes at work – many still obscure and unknown – and he spots that gays were to blame. How could anyone trust anything he writes or lectures on with his mind wandering in a miasma of superstition? What about paedophiles and those who cover up their crimes? Are they welcome in the kingdom of god?

  • tony e

    Edward Gibbon wrote the ‘History of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire,’ arguably one of the definitive texts on this subject. One of the major theories that he put for this decline was when Constantine converted the empire to christianity as it removed people’s civic pride and responsiblity.

  • Broga

    @tony e. And Constantine made the decision for pragmatic political reasons although he could have chosen differently. Nothing to do with him being convinced about the religion. He just found the christians beyond reason and an infernal nuisance. Much the same as today, I suppose.

  • Albert Yome

    “I always take it for granted that sexual moralising by public figures is a sign of hypocrisy or worse, and most usually a desire to perform the very act that is most being condemned. This is why, whenever I hear some bigmouth in Washington or the Christian heartland banging on about the evils of sodomy or whatever, I mentally enter his name in my notebook and contentedly set my watch. Sooner rather than later he will be discovered down on his knees in some dreary motel or latrine, with an expired Visa card, having tried to pay well over the odds to be peed upon by some Apache transvestite.” Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir

  • Daz

    Good grief! Is there nothing that these morons can’t blame on ‘teh gays’? What’s the betting he’d have blamed it on the Jews, if he’d done this ‘research’ pre-holocaust? It’s all about scapegoats, and they don’t care who they use. That’s all that Jesus is, when you get down to it, and they get taught the principle at an early age, then apply it to everything without thought. Makes life really simple for them.

  • Harry

    Another theory is lead. Seriously, Romans used lead for everything they could, including as a food additive. Not the way to maintain an empire.

  • Joe

    It’s a pity they
    didn’t have someone as manly as Alexander The Great around to help them out.
    Ooooh – hang about….

  • Normand

    Guess there won’t be many priests in their heaven seeing as so many are gay to begin with and that includes Ratzi, I am sure.LOL

  • NeoWolfe

    The Roman empire fell because it was old and over extended. And Mattei would probably argue that the Egyptian empire fell because pharoah defied god. But, what of the Babylonian empire? Too many fags? The Ottoman empire, strictly muslim, obviously they tolerated too many fags. The Greeks, Spain, Britain, too many fags!!!!!!
    The powers that eventually sacked Rome, they are gone, too. I guess they tolerated too many fags. Nazi Germany (catholic) did not tolerate fags, yet they fell anyway. (Chuckle) Bad news, Bduke, god topples empires for your nasty conduct. Well, fuck god.

  • NeoWolfe

    “Guess there won’t be many priests in their heaven seeing as so many are gay to begin with and that includes Ratzi, I am sure.LOL”
    I object to that remark. There is an enormous chasm between someone who is homosexual and someone who is a pedophile. I don’t know if in your own mind they equate, but they don’t.
    Homosexuality is an apparent stop gap measure by evolution to care for orphans. Pedophilia is using a position of trust to victimize the most vulnerable for perverse pleasure regardless of the consequences.
    In case you are wondering, I am not gay.

  • littlegravitas

    Of course the rise of the Roman Empire was undertaken under non christian gods and cemented with a wonderful violent system of lighting the streets. What a proper retard.

  • AngieRS

    No, Neo, that wasn’t what I was wondering at all.

  • L.Long

    Wouldn’t be nice that the problems of the world could be reduced to such simplistic nonsense. As has been said…’when you go thru live as a hammer you will always see nails.’ Homophobes will always see gays as the cause for everything.
    The romans failed because they used lead pipes that lead to sterility and insanity….although true it is still not ‘the cause.’

  • Normand

    In case you’re wondering, NeoWolve, I am gay and you did not interpret what I wrote correctly. Apparently something like half the priests are probably gay and that’s a fact from what I have read and who said anything about pedophiles?? Some are and so are many more in the general population and pleasssssssse don’t compare me to Razi who equates pedophiles to gay because that is reallllllllly insulting!

  • Jees, better hope the pedie priests, which by implication is most of them, get into their after death fantasy. Like those of their ilk on this planet, they can spend the endless dreary hours confiming each others belief. See, deep down, very few of them really believe the nonsense. They feel compelled to comply for social, family or peer pressure, so the nonsense flows. I’m sure their may be some rational people amongst the believing fraternity, mind you, we’ve got to wonder.

  • The Roman Empire in the West did not “fall”. Rather it was a disintegration that can be traced back to the defeat of Valens at Adrianople in 378. While that battle was in the eastern half of the empire, the Goths remained a sort of separate state within the borders of the empire, and the Goths moved around as their leaders tried to find land and a better place for themselves within the empire.
    In 406, the general Stilicho, who was basically the guy running the show in the West, had to strip the Rhine frontier for troops to deal with the Goth situation, which made it possible for the Vandals, Suevi and Alans to cross the Rhine into Gaul and then into Spain.
    The next blow was when the Vandals crossed into North Africa and took Carthage around 429. North Africa was the source of the empire’s grain supply as well as its greatest source of tax revenue. Once that had happened, there really wasn’t much left to salvage, and the failure of the joint Western and Eastern expedition against the Vandals in 467 (if memory serves) pretty much sealed the Western Empire’s fate. But if you were a farmer or common laborer living in Italy in the latter half of the 5th century, it is doubtful you would have lamented the deposition of the last Roman emperor in 476, nor would you have felt your life was radically different from that point onward.
    Speaking as an atheist, I don’t think Christianity can be blamed as a factor for the collapse of the empire in the West. After all, the Eastern half had more Christians and for a longer period of time, so if Christianity was such a problem, then the Eastern empire would have collapsed too.
    The spread of Christianity can be seen more as a symptom of Rome’s problems rather than a cause. The Third Century Crisis saw repeated civil wars and assassinations, barbarian incursions, plagues and so forth. In such a chaotic time where the old ways don’t seem to work anymore, it’s no surprise that more people would find the Christian message appealing. Add to all this a resurgent Persian Empire to the East, and it’s no wonder the empire came under such strain.
    From what I have read, I get the sense that for a lot of people living within the empire’s borders, who only saw the empire as a source of rapacious taxation and corrupt officials, the empire was not something that was seen as worth fighting for. That was a big factor in the increase in barbarians serving in the Roman army. When you can’t get your own subjects to fight for you, you just pay outsiders to do your fighting for you, which works until the outsiders decide that they want to carry out their own agenda.

  • NeoWolfe

    Normand said:
    “In case you’re wondering, NeoWolve, I am gay and you did not interpret what I wrote correctly.”
    That has happened to me, as well. It the problem with the written word. One cannot hear sarcasm or genuine sincerity. I apologize for my mistake.
    Let me go one better. I believe that it’s really true that young catholic men mistake their lack of attraction to women as a calling from god to the priesthood. Better to be called father than fag, huh? I think your premise holds water.

  • Albie

    This may sound naieve of me but why do the Abrahamic faiths (and others) percieve homosexuality as such a threat in the first place?

  • Daz

    I’ve always assumed it’s a mixture of prudishness (“They put it up there, you know!”) and good old distrust of anything ‘different’.

  • The Woggler

    I’m beginning to think that the homosexuals are the most powerful people on Earth. By continuing their sexual practices, the can make empires fall,cause floods and tidal waves and all sorts of natural disasters.

  • Anonymous

    “I’m beginning to think that the homosexuals are the most powerful people on Earth. By continuing their sexual practices, the can make empires fall,cause floods and tidal waves and all sorts of natural disasters.”

  • The Woggler

    Too avoid confusion, I should add ‘apparently’ to my previous post.

  • This dude needs to chill and see the film ‘Caligula’ (preferably the un-cut version). There’s plenty of heterosexual sweating and grunting in that. In fact enough to bring down an empire all by itself.

  • Harry

    I am always suspicious when people accuse homosexuality of being infectious. Like they’re saying that it’s not your fault when you get revealed in the press for being gay. Later he will confess that his work with homosexuality has infected him which is why he did that thing in that elevator.

  • Normand

    @Neowolf…….Apology accepted. No offense taken. Have a great day.

  • elainek123

    I am not but I would be proud to be gay.
    I have a feeling that all these nutters who object to it are secretly gay themselves, and are trying to deceive their ‘god’ and they will not have to go to ‘hell’.

  • NeoWolfe

    Maybe I’m a bad person, but let me reveal something.
    I had a gay roommate, who had the sharpest sense of humor of anyone I have ever met. I had moved to San Diego to take a job, which I lost, and I was nearly on the street when he invited me to share his house while I gathered my shit together again. A great friend!!!!
    I met his friends, and their friends, wonderful people, for the most part. I met a couple of them that were total turds. But, that’s what you would expect, right? Here’s what makes me question myself. Seeing two men making out, made me really uncomfortable. I hope that’s normal, even a guy and a girl would be invited to “go get a room”. But, I also didn’t much care for the guys who wore knee high leather high heel boots, and practiced the limp wristed affeminate mannerisms. I have never really been able to decide if that is a result of my upbringing, or a natural reaction that needs to be understood, then addressed. All I know is that it is there in my head. I am a freethinker, but I’m far from perfect.

  • Milz

    And again with Christians being hung up on sex. OMG get a life, just because some people are gay does not mean you have to watch.
    I love that quote in the bible where is says “love thy neighbour, except if that person is gay…then you may ignore the 6th commandment and kill him to death!!!! mwahahaha”….wait…no thats right it DOESN’T say that, silly me!
    @ Neo Wolfe
    I don’t think you being uncomfortable around two guys making out makes you a bad person. But think back to the first time you sat in a room with a man and woman making out, I bet you felt discomfort then, I know I did when my friends started pairing off when I was a teen, you just normalise it. same basic principle really, you get used to it.

  • F
    Does anyone else think the amount of sympathy this guy is getting, is really worrying? They screech about “free speech” but anyone who points out that the Roman Empire fell for a lot of reasons, or that homosexuality was not widely accepted in Rome, or that this guy is an idiot, or that people cannot be turned gay, are thumbed down in the hundreds. I also find it funny that the Daily Mail continue to champion him, even after his sentiments about the Japanese tsunami (the readerbase have ripped people to shreds over less.) I know the Daily Mail is a poisonously homophobic readerbase, but the readerbase does have its limits (Jan Moir, anyone? The recent article where Melanie Philips condoned homophobic bullying?) I mean this isn’t just homophobia, this guy is rewriting history on completely baseless grounds to suit his own agenda. That alone stops it being “free speecH” and shows he should resign as a history professor. Would you accept a science teacher saying that there was a Triceratops on Noah’s ark, and the fossil record is a lie? (Well some parts of America would, but still.) Would they support him if he was a history teacher, trying to tell students that the Holocaust was a lie created by the Jews to garner sympathy? No. (Melanie Philips is jewish, and does not believe free speech extends to anti semitic views. It does cover homophobia and islamophobia though.)

  • Jennifer Kathleen Phillips

    As he is fighting for Rome only because of Gays blamed. This guy is very much stupid as he is fail to know that Gay Sexuality is not accepted by Rome.