Fresh Christ-killers jibe ignites Jewish fury

Fresh Christ-killers jibe ignites Jewish fury October 20, 2011

BELEAGUERED Pope Ratzinger is in the midst of a new row this week after a deranged Holocaust-denying bishop – Richard Williamson – blamed Jews for the killing of Christ.
UK-based Williamson, according to the Guardian, wrote in his blog that:

Bishop Williamson

The killing of Jesus was truly deicide and that only the Jews (leaders and people) were the prime agents of the deicide because it is obvious from the gospels that the gentile most involved, Pontius Pilate … would never have condemned Jesus to death had not the Jewish leaders roused the Jewish people to clamour for his crucifixion.

Jewish leaders and Holocaust survivors are furious, and the Vatican is being urged to suspend unity talks with ultra-traditionalist Catholics until their movement pledges to stop bad-mouthing Jews.
The Vatican is reportedly in reconciliation talks with the ultra-traditionalist splinter group to which Williamson belongs, the Society of St Pius X.
Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt of the European Council of Rabbis said:

We call upon the Catholic Church to suspend negotiations with extremist Catholic tendencies until it is clear that these groups show a clear commitment to tackling anti-semitism within their ranks.

Last month, Régis de Cacqueray, the head of the French SSPX chapter, also accused Jews of deicide.
Goldschmidt added:

Comments like these take us back decades to the dark days before there was a meaningful and mutually respectful dialogue between Jews and Roman Catholics. There must be no rapprochement within the Catholic church for those of its flock who seek to preach words of hate.

The Vatican has said SSPX will have to sign up to core teachings if they are to reintegrate, although it has not stated what these are. Four SSPX bishops, including Williamson, were excommunicated in 1988 when they were illegally ordained. But the Vatican lifted Williamson’s excommunication on the very day that his Holocaust-denying remarks were widely-reported. The decision appalled Jewish leaders, with many suspending contact with the Vatican as a result.

The Vatican said it did not know Williamson held such views.
Williamson has repeatedly ignored pleas to retract his remarks and not even Ratzinger has managed to get the old fool to recant.
The Guardian says the fresh row is a further embarrassment to Ratzinger, who is preparing to host a summit of world faith leaders in Assisi, Italy, next week as part of his interreligious outreach programme.

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  • beanfeast

    Sounds to me like the bishop doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
    After reading the witness statements, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was actually one of the earliest recorded cases of suicide by cop. Experts examining the case for nigh on two thousand years seem to be pretty unanimous that the victim was omniscient and would have been fully aware of the result of his actions. He appears to have set the plan for his death in motion about 33 years and 9 months before his suicidal act, although some may argue that it had actually been in planning for about 4000 years.
    In addition to suicide by cop he is probably guilty of breach of duty of care (since harm was, most assuredly, reasonably foreseeable and there was a relationship of proximity) as well as manslaughter by gross negligence with regards the death of one Judas Iscariot.

  • barriejohn

    Was Goldilocks wrong to enter the Bears’ house and eat their porridge, or were THEY at fault for neglecting to feed their child before leaving? Were Goldilocks’s parents at fault over the way that she was brought up, without an adequate “moral compass”, perhaps? What sort of moral guidance was she receiving at school? What facilities were available for children in the local community? These are other serious questions which demand investigation.

  • Daz

    “The Vatican said it did not know Williamson held such views.”

    This is the same Richard Williamson who said on Swedish TV, on the very day that Ratzinger de-excommunicated (recommunicated?) him and promoted him to the rank of Bishop:

    “I believe that the historical evidence is strongly against, is hugely against six million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler”, and “I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but none of them in gas chambers.”

    He’s also on record as saying that he believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be authentic.
    Yeah, right, sure they didn’t know.

  • Har Davids

    Beanfeast, you forgot to mention that after this ‘deicide’, the alleged victim Jesus C. aka ‘God’ aka ‘Holy Spirit’, albeit being omniscient and all-powerful, allowed relidiots to go on a world-wide rampage, killing millions of people and stifling any kind of scientific and human progress for centuries, and that their criminal organisations are still allowed to exist.

  • Alan

    Didn’t Ratzinger exonerate the Jews not too long ago? If that’s the case, what does that say about a bishop who doesn’t fall in line with the Pope, the supposed man with the direct line to GodJesus?

  • I don’t really want to defend Christianity or anything, but a core principle of the thing is that Jesus had to die in order redeem mankind from original sin (or some similar silly nonsense).
    Anyone who is claiming deicide (a) obviously doesn’t understand the necessity within the mythology for Jesus to die and (b) really just wants to justify their murderous and immoral anti-Semitism.

  • The Woggler

    “The killing of Jesus was truly deicide…”
    How the hell can mortals kill an immortal deity? Especially when said deity isn’t, as we are so often told, even dead?
    Isn’t what Williamson is saying actually true, according to the holy bibulous?

  • sailor1031

    There you all go – trying to apply reason and common sense to religion again! Where’s your faith?
    And what can you say about some “bishop” who claims the babble as evidence of something or other?…….but Ratzifuehrer really does need to get his foot out of his gunsights….or maybe not – it’s all very entertaining

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    Inter-Faith dialogue is a non starter as this episode shows, they all hate each other. The only people they hate more are those of us who have seen through their myths.

  • AgentCormac

    Okay, one (clearly deranged) RCC official claims that the Jews killed Jesus and people around the world are up in arms.
    In the meantime, the RCC as a matter of official policy claims that condoms are contaminated with AIDS (effectively condemning millions to an untimely and unnecessary death) and hardly anybody anywhere can be bothered pointing out what an affront this is to ALL humanity.
    If people want to make a fuss about what is said by members of the RCC hierarchy, I know which one they should be focusing on.

  • remigius

    Bishop Williamson, the Holocaust actually happened. The crucifiction actually didn’t. Sorted.
    OT Bob Hutton is now having a go at Cliff Richard! Words fail me….

  • Daz

    regimus
    Yeah, I made a reply (of sorts) just a few minutes ago.

  • How was God going to sacrifice Himself to Himself, as per His Divine Plan, unless there was some bugger to kill Him? And had The Plan gone arse-ways and nobody had done the deed, there’d be no Catholic church. The Jews just did their bit, having no other choice. It’s all so very logical.

  • remigius

    Steve
    The Jews just did their bit, having no other choice…
    But they chose to welease Wodewick!

  • barriejohn

    Graham Martin-Royle: Good point, they do all hate one another, but you’re wrong to say that their worst venom is reserved for those of us who have seen through their fantasies. The people whom they hate the most are actually those who disagree with them on tiny minutiae of doctrine or practice. This is the one bright light on the horizon as far as Islam is concerned: it is constantly splitting into splinter groups who claim to be even more “devout” than the last group to hive off, and who consider it their main mission in life to eradicate the “apostates”. Lovely stuff!
    http://youtu.be/gb_qHP7VaZE

  • Daz

    Splitter!

  • barriejohn

    Here’s an amazing coincidence!
    Richard Williamson = His old war criminal

  • Broga

    What kind of father tortures his own son? But, of course, the father and the son are the same so the God is torturing and killing himself. Suicide? Somewhere in there is the Holy Ghost. This is already complicated. But what about all those who have never heard of Jesus?
    Just watched a debate about The Life of Brian (from the past) involving The Bishop of Southwark and Malcom Muggeridge – the latter being a fine cariacture of himself. Southwark had a fine line in sneering pomposity delivered in a cut glass accent. John Cleese contempt was restrained but obvious.

  • Question??
    Deicide seems to be the killing off of a god…new word for me.
    So if this god or his daddy is capable of creating “a universe” ….why is it not possible for his daddy to intervene in his sons death ???…Or is that too philosophically complicated for the religious??

  • barriejohn

    Dogon: The “sins of the world” had to be expiated by his death.
    Broga: Mervyn Stockwood was a strange character – and gay, of course!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyn_Stockwood

  • elainek123

    I dont believe in what they say anyway as they do not hav e brains and are therefore quick to condemn others but not themselves.
    What jews are they talking about, those born and become Jewish or those born as atheists.

  • JohnMWhite

    Now we can call the pope a Nazi, right?
    Just kidding, but I seriously doubt that he had no inkling about the views of Bishop Williamson. And it’s not as if the church is internally particularly friendly with Judaism, they still pray for their conversion every Easter and still put on their passion plays that blame them for the death of Jesus every Good Friday.

  • Broga

    barriejohn: Thanks for the Mervyn Stockwood link. I knew nothing about him previously apart from the televison programme. I must say after reading the additional information there is much about him that I find admirable. However, his virtues, for me anyway, were obscured by his preachiness, assertions about Jesus with nothing to back them and a tendency to patronise. It never seemed to occur to him or Muggeridge (they both regarded Mother Theresa as a saint) that their faith, after 2,000 years, seemed not to have done much to improve the failings of society that troubled them.
    Muggeridge, at great length, described christianity as the fount of Western civilisation and all things good. Cleese’s brief comments,when he could get a word in, of “like the Inquisition” rather torpedoed his sermons.
    Thanks bj. Fascinating to read after viewing the man. It occurs to me that tv can be a bit like life after death. Stockwood, dead these 15 years or so, and there he is large as life and shoving a crucifix in front of the camera.

  • barriejohn

    Broga: Stockwood was a real queen, and according to other reports quite predatory as well, yet some of his biographers don’t even mention his homosexuality! I remember all those events as if they took place yesterday, and have to thank the likes of Cleese, Palin, and John Lennon for convincing me that religion was a complete delusion.

  • Who was the wiser? Pokey or Gumby?

  • Broga

    barriejohn: Christianity does seem, as with Stockwood, to produce this mix of public claims to sanctity covering hidden behaviour they want to hide. I suppose as a homosexual Stockwood risked both disgrace and prison at that time. I too remember those days although my first real awakening to the delusion of religion was much earlier. That owed much to The Freethinker and the front page articles by David Tribe – 1957 I started to read them, I think. David Tribe was a hero of mine then, and still is, and I was delighted to hear from Barry Duke a couple of years back that David was still alive. Being a bit aged myself I had assumed David had died.

  • Don

    Deicide = victemless crime.

  • john c

    I thought a qualification to be a deity was imortality, if they killed him, obviously he wasnt, therfore he was never a deity,ergo some mentaly delusional person was the hapless victim of a baying mob.

  • Russell W

    barriejohn,
    ” The people whom they hate the most are actually those who disagree with them on tiny minutiae of doctrine or practice”
    Yes, indeed. Believers often despise heretics more than infidels, since heretics, unlike infidels, have known the “truth”, but have rejected it, so the source of Catholic anti-Semitism is obvious.

  • Newspaniard

    Given that this Jesus character is fiction, as is the New Testament in which the Jews demanded his death (this all retold in the great musical, “JC Superstar”). I know it’s all fun to watch handbags being used as weapons by these two protagonists but why are they fighting over a not-very-well put together story? Far better to read how Frodo won over Sauron. Tell them to change novels then all will be well. I’m off to have a chat with the Flying Spaghetti Monster about whether the pizza I had the other night was blasphemous.

  • barriejohn

    I know plenty of evangelical Christians who share his views, and believe that the Jews bear collective guilt over the death of their Messiah. The only reason that they support Zionism is that it supposedly brings forward the time of Jesus’s return!
    PS It’s 21st October today. Has Australia disappeared yet?

  • Broga

    Russell W. Spot on comment. As I may have mentioned here before I once had the unpleasant experience of working with a fundamentalist christian who insisted on attempting to “bring everyone to christ.” He told me that a Roman Catholic colleague, who never mentioned religion to my knowledge, was headed more certainly to hell than myself, an atheist. Apparently, the RC knew the truth but refused to accept it. I, on the other hand didn’t even know it. So the RC was headed straight for the pit. I was never clear what I was destined for for.

  • Russell W

    barriejohn,
    Another prophecy?
    I looked out the window, it’s still there.
    “The only reason that they support Zionism is that it supposedly brings forward the time of Jesus’s return!” The term ‘useful idiots’ comes to mind.
    Broga,
    Even atheists have started squabbling amongst themselves, ‘old atheists’,’new atheists’,’militant atheists’.. They’re behaving like believers..Jeeez.

  • AngieRS

    Ha ha ha…So after uniting with the Jews over the remarks of an actress they’re now at daggers drawn because of the remarks of an rc priest. The fun never stops

  • Bill Kaiser

    I never understood the christian antipathy toward jews for christ-killing. Even if it were true, doesn’t their theology require Jesus’ death for their salvation. A much more appropriate reaction would be to send your Jewish neighbors thank you cards and fruit baskets for assuring your eternal reward.