Ex-President Carter dismisses creationism, favours gay rights

Ex-President Carter dismisses creationism, favours gay rights June 18, 2016

If Ken Ham, the ‘brain’ behind Kentucky’s Ark Encounter, imagined that a visit his silly creationist theme park yesterday by former US President Jimmy Carter would gain him positive PR points, he was in for a shock.
For Carter told reporters that he doesn’t buy the idea that the earth is six thousand years old, and that his visit to the the Ark Encounter in Williamstown should not be seen as an endorsement of Ham’s views, as he personally believes in evolution. He insisted:

The earth is four billion years old … And as a scientist, I believe in evolution.


But all things are possible through the divine power of God. And whenever there is a conflict, I turn to the words of Jesus Christ. If God created it four billion years ago or six thousand years ago, it doesn’t matter to me.

According to Christian News Network, Carter was visiting the newly-opened site to support LeRoy Troyer, a friend whose construction company served as main architect for the dotty project. The Christian theme park’s main feature is a full-scale replica of the mythical ark that God instructed Noah to build to escape a coming deluge, as outlined in the book of Genesis.
Ark Encounter says:

As the largest timber-frame structure in the US, the 510-foot-long full-size Ark is designed to be family-oriented, historically authentic, and environmentally friendly.

Ham also wants the attraction to provide visitors with a message of salvation:

A major reason for rebuilding the ark today is to proclaim the message of salvation – that just as Noah and his family had to go through the doorway to be saved, we also need to go through a doorway. The Lord Jesus is our door –the only way to be saved.

Ham told reporters on Friday that he welcomed Carter’s visit. Through gritted teeth, one imagines, he said:

We welcome the visit of such a statesman and we don’t take it as an endorsement. This really shows how people of different views can still come and see and enjoy the ark.

Carter, 91, teaches Sunday School at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, Georgia. However, in addition to being an evolutionist, in an interview with the Huffington Post last July, Carter asserted that Jesus would approve of same-sex marriage, and:

Really any love affair. I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that’s just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don’t see that gay marriage damages anyone else.

Speaking of arks, we learn another replica was comprehensively buggered earlier this month after colliding with a Norwegian Coast Guard vessel in Oslo.
According to this report, it was one of two reconstructions that an unhinged Dutch carpenter named Johan Huibers painstakingly built over seven years. More than a million people have visited the replicas to see domesticated animals like llamas, ponies and rabbits, and to hear, as Huibers intended, a message of God’s love.
The smaller of the arks was being towed when the crew lost control. This led to the collision.
Jokes soon began circulating on social media. Tom Egeland, a crime novelist who lives in Oslo, wrote on Twitter, using one estimate of the number of species on the planet:

It is unclear what happened to the 8.7 million x 2 animals on board.

Jon Are Rakvag, a software security architect for the Norwegian Police Service, wrote in a Twitter post:

The 900-year-old captain has been detained.

He was alluding, a bit imprecisely, to the account in Genesis that Noah lived 350 years after the flood and died at 950.
But the accident was no laughing matter for Huibers or for Aad Peters, a Dutch puppeteer, television producer and philanthropist who bought the smaller ark in 2010.
Peters has taken it for visits to towns across the Netherlands, and was preparing to do the same in Norway when the collision occurred.
Huibers, 58, said by telephone from Amsterdam:

I’m shaking now. It’s a terrible situation. It’s an awful dream, to have an accident with the ark of Noah.

He said he had spoken to Peters, who was too distraught to comment publicly.

I have to help him out. I have to go to Norway with wood, nails and a hammer to repair it.

Huibers’ bigger ark has five decks and can accommodate 5,000 people at a time; it moved to Rotterdam earlier this year from its previous mooring in the Dutch port of Dordrecht. Both arks are built on steel barges, and neither has an engine; they must be towed wherever they go.

An American charity, the Ark of Noah Foundation, based in Pasadena, California, was established to take charge of the larger ark, which it hopes to take to Rio de Janeiro in time for the Paralympic Games in September.
Said Herald A M A Janssen, the foundation’s director and a friend of Huibers.

It brings hope and joy. It’s not only meant to bring the Gospel. We will also bring hope to the favelas, to people living in poverty, people from the streets, parents, drug addicts, prostitutes.

Hat tip: Angela_K (ark fender-bender report)

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  • Broga

    I still can’t understand how Noah got to know about the koalas and how he got them back to the Ark. Were there insects there as well, including all those different kinds of beetles God was so fond of. I don’t like to nit pick but I think there are one or two issues still not resolved.

  • Stephen Mynett

    Broga, it is very simple. The laws of physics were suspended for a while and the waters rose at different levels throughout the world. Noah, with a map provided, navigated to the places no one then had heard of and picked up things like koalas and as soon as they were on board he made a quick prayer to have the laws of physics returned in that area, he then sailed on picking up more far flung animals, insects etc until the global flood could be levelled out.
    I really cannot see why you atheists are so sceptical when there is a simple answer to everything.

  • barriejohn
  • barriejohn

    This is hilarious:
    With Noah being over 500 years in age, it would make sense that he had the knowledge to be able to incorporate automatic feeding and watering systems where they only had to be refilled occasionally.
    Well of course. Who would have thought otherwise?

  • Angela_K

    Broga, I had this conversation with a local Christian who works in a DIY shop. I was asking him for Gopher wood [used by Noah] and he didn’t know what it was so teased him for not knowing his bible. Then I challenged him about Polar Bears and Penguins walking from their respective poles to Noah’s ark, his answer: god can do anything! Anything except prevent natural disasters, disease……

  • Vanity Unfair

    “[T]wo reconstructions… painstakingly built over seven years. Both arks are built on steel barges…”
    Isn’t that cheating?

  • Stephen Mynett

    ” Isn’t that cheating?”
    Not if you are using Gopher steel.

  • barriejohn

    Being over 500 years of age, Noah would have realized that placing the Ark on a barge would have given it the best chance of surviving the flood.

  • Dave Godfrey

    Having reached a new low advertising his ridiculous ark park on the back of fifty people being shot dead in Orlando, I see Mr Lie is now back to simply begging for money.
    Ham really is about as disgusting as a human being can get.

  • Barry Duke

    @ Angela_K: Many fundies fondly imagine that Old Testament geezers spoke English, so let’s indulge them and imagine that Noah, in a panic over the impending flood, screamed to all and sundry “Go for wood”. The author of this blog says that no-one knows what “gopher” wood is, and adds: “The bottom-line is that this ancient word remains a mystery. It is just one of many things I look forward to asking Noah about, when I get to Heaven.”

  • John

    Like H. L. Mencken (journalist and editor) and Phineas Taylor Barnum, also known as P.T. Barnum (showman, businessman and founder of the Barnum & Bailey Circus.), Ken Ham clearly believes “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.”

  • Alex

    John, thank you for the only worthwhile grown up comment posted on this article. This is FreeTHINKER and not the Beano as the other respondent seem to imagine.

  • barriejohn

    The Freethinker is an anti-Christian organ, and must therefore be chiefly aggressive. It will wage relentless war against Superstition in general, and against Christian Superstition in particular. It will do its best to employ the resources of Science, Scholarship, Philosophy and Ethics against the claims of the Bible as a Divine Revelation; and it will not scruple to employ for the same purpose any weapons of ridicule or sarcasm that may be borrowed from the armoury of Common Sense.
    G. W. Foote (1881)
    If you don’t like it, go elsewhere.

  • Dave

    I find it extremely difficult to understand how Carter who says he is a scientist can believe in the God myth.

  • barriejohn

    Dave: Carter was in the US Navy (I believe BSc was his highest qualification), and worked on nuclear submarines. I remember all my evangelical friends rejoicing when he was elected that there was a REAL Christian in the White House. If you’re brought up to be religious, it can be very difficult to shake it off, as those responsible for indoctrinating children well know!

  • Broga

    No one can question Jimmy Carter’s courage. He was attacked, when fishing, by a rabbit:
    “A pivotal moment in American history took place on April 20, 1979, when our 39th president was on a fishing trip near his hometown of Plains, Georgia, and was attacked by an oversized, swimming rabbit.”
    Jimmy was not found wanting and fought the brute off by splashing the rabbit with his paddle.

  • Alex

    The Freethinker should be graced by more grown up, serious and insightful remarks than those currently being posted. The current quality of dialogue lowers the Freethinker to a level unworthy of serious attention by anyone of any intellectual gravitas. Nothing of interest here, it’s just a place for lightweights to add smug derogatory comments to some interesting well selected news items.

  • Broga

    Alex: You say, “The Freethinker should be graced by more serious and insightful remarks than those currently being posted.”
    I’m just a pleb and it seems judged intellectually very limited by your standards. But I try my “unworthy” best. What I would appreciate would
    be if you provided some examples of the kind of “serious and insightful remarks ” that you say are lacking.
    If I could have some examples of what is lacking including “intellectual gravitas” I could have something to aim for and try to improve my contributions.

  • Angela_K

    Alex, if you care to look back through comments made on previous articles you’ll find a good deal of intellectual debate. I’m certain you are aware that debating with the few religious types that come here is hard work,as indeed trying to engage most religious persons in rational discourse, they do not understand logic, reason, evidence or the scientific method yet alone the basics of philosophical logic. From time to time we all have to “let our hair down” and pointing and laughing at the shear ridiculousness of religion is often a good method.

  • barriejohn

    Nothing of interest here, it’s just a place for lightweights to add smug derogatory comments to some interesting well selected news items.
    Well, piss off then.

  • Broga

    @Angela_K: As you and others here know from experience knowledge of the bible by atheists usually is far greater than that of Christians who accept without thought and are given selected bits by priests. I have found that Christians I know refuse to read, for example, “The God Delusion” as they prefer not to be unsettled by rational challenge.
    Others here, like barriejohn, have not only a wide and detailed knowledge of the bible but have experienced, what I have not, being enslaved by religious thought and bullied by those who inflict it on them.

  • Raul Miller

    Alex, if you come across someone of “any intellectual gravitas” in your daily travels, please send them this way (assuming you would be sufficiently able to identify them) and we’ll see if we can manage some level of discourse worthy of serious attention. Until them feel free to hang about bitching and whining in regards to what a waste of time the posts are here…the irony is amusing.

  • Cali Ron

    Alex: Constantly looking down one’s nose with smug superiority tends to give one a distorted and unrealistic view of others and ones self. Your arrogance knows no bounds. Clearly, you are the only human being worthy of your comments so don’t bother sharing them here anymore.

  • Stephen Mynett

    I doubt we will see Alex again, probably just another flyby troll with little to say. May also be a whining Christian upset that we are ridiculing beliefs that are, to the educated, ridiculous but he/she is unable to put up a reasoned argument so has to respond with insults.